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ProSense (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-21-09 11:26 AM Original message |
"Governance is the art of the possible." |
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lapfog_1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-21-09 11:46 AM Response to Original message |
1. Well, it was always POSSIBLE to take the current system, |
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snagglepuss (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-21-09 11:59 AM Response to Reply #1 |
2. Hear. Hear. nt |
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ProSense (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-21-09 12:03 PM Response to Reply #2 |
4. Yeah, a fact-free opinion is a great rebuttal. |
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lapfog_1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-21-09 12:47 PM Response to Reply #4 |
11. Point to me where in the bill it limits profits. |
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karynnj (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-21-09 12:26 PM Response to Reply #1 |
7. Here is one answer |
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lapfog_1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-21-09 12:43 PM Response to Reply #7 |
10. The MLA that limit profit margins does not limit PROFITS. |
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ProSense (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-21-09 12:48 PM Response to Reply #10 |
12. "This is one of the WORST PROVISIONS in the bill." Yet Howard Dean |
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lapfog_1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-21-09 12:53 PM Response to Reply #12 |
14. IF there was any cost containment, then yes, he'd be right. |
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ProSense (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-21-09 12:58 PM Response to Reply #14 |
16. "But there isn't any cost containment. None." Dean: |
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lapfog_1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-21-09 01:13 PM Response to Reply #16 |
17. MLR's do nothing to contain costs |
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ProSense (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-21-09 01:24 PM Response to Reply #17 |
19. Who said they did? |
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lapfog_1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-21-09 01:56 PM Response to Reply #19 |
26. You are intentionally not understanding me |
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ProSense (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-21-09 02:08 PM Response to Reply #26 |
27. "This bill creates incentive for insurance companies to now increase costs." |
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lapfog_1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-21-09 02:36 PM Response to Reply #27 |
33. Yes, it does. |
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ProSense (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-21-09 03:54 PM Response to Reply #33 |
37. What? |
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lapfog_1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-21-09 04:13 PM Response to Reply #37 |
39. My math was entirely correct. |
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ProSense (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-21-09 04:21 PM Response to Reply #39 |
41. No, your math was totally flawed |
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lapfog_1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-21-09 04:31 PM Response to Reply #41 |
43. The cost PER BURGER remains the same. |
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ProSense (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-21-09 04:41 PM Response to Reply #43 |
44. "Why would the cost increase just because I sell more?" No |
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Mithreal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-22-09 08:25 AM Response to Reply #27 |
49. like cost plus contracting? ordering more unnecessary tests and procedures? |
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girl gone mad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-21-09 02:36 PM Response to Reply #26 |
32. That's a common tactic she uses. |
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lapfog_1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-21-09 02:51 PM Response to Reply #32 |
34. Yes, I've been down this path with that poster before, |
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treestar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-21-09 08:14 PM Response to Reply #34 |
47. Because maybe you are contradicting yourself? |
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ProSense (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-21-09 03:35 PM Response to Reply #32 |
36. "She'll make you talk in circles and pretend she doesn't understand" |
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girl gone mad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-21-09 01:38 PM Response to Reply #14 |
23. Not only is there no cost containment, |
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ProSense (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-21-09 01:43 PM Response to Reply #23 |
25. Right |
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girl gone mad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-21-09 02:33 PM Response to Reply #25 |
31. Yes, there are millions of people who CHOOSE not to buy health insurance. |
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karynnj (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-21-09 03:33 PM Response to Reply #10 |
35. Good point |
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Nicholas D Wolfwood (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-22-09 12:42 PM Response to Reply #1 |
50. I think you're located in another galaxy somewhere. (nt) |
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GreenArrow (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-21-09 12:02 PM Response to Original message |
3. Governance |
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ProSense (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-21-09 12:03 PM Response to Reply #3 |
5. "is the art of gaining, wielding and holding power." |
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silverweb (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-21-09 12:24 PM Response to Original message |
6. Too much sense. |
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Laelth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-21-09 12:31 PM Response to Original message |
8. Carry on, good soldier. I salute you. n/t |
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TheKentuckian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-21-09 12:39 PM Response to Original message |
9. Still no talking points on why we can't even have market based reforms |
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lapfog_1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-21-09 12:51 PM Response to Reply #9 |
13. Bingo. |
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ProSense (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-21-09 12:54 PM Response to Reply #9 |
15. Reform based on the proposal Obama outlined during the campaign and througout the debate |
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TheKentuckian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-21-09 01:19 PM Response to Reply #15 |
18. Bullshit, he swore he would sign no bill without a system to counterbalance |
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ProSense (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-21-09 01:28 PM Response to Reply #18 |
21. "He didn't say it had to be a public option" |
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girl gone mad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-21-09 01:27 PM Response to Original message |
20. What happened to 'hope' and 'change'? |
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ProSense (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-21-09 01:30 PM Response to Reply #20 |
22. It's not realistic to expect that who never believed it possible |
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Armstead (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-21-09 01:40 PM Response to Original message |
24. It would be possible to pass a bill saying the sky is blue |
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GeorgeGist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-21-09 02:23 PM Response to Original message |
28. Thanks cowards ... |
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ClarkUSA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-21-09 02:24 PM Response to Original message |
29. And a 10% increase in support from Democrats in the past two weeks... looks like the Failers failed. |
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democrat2thecore (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-21-09 02:32 PM Response to Original message |
30. Yeah, let's hear it for an expensive bill that just TINKERS |
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TwilightGardener (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-21-09 04:15 PM Response to Reply #30 |
40. "The African American vote would swamp any challenger" to Obama? |
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democrat2thecore (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-21-09 07:26 PM Response to Reply #40 |
45. Don't be ridiculous. Do you know the history of racial politics? |
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TwilightGardener (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-21-09 07:32 PM Response to Reply #45 |
46. I'm not being ridiculous. I'm legitimately wondering how you can know |
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freddie mertz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-21-09 03:57 PM Response to Original message |
38. But this is very far from the sort of "Change" we were promised. |
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CreekDog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-21-09 04:30 PM Response to Original message |
42. but with the filibuster, not much is really possible |
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treestar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-21-09 08:15 PM Response to Reply #42 |
48. IMO it may be time to do away with it if possible |
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