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teddy51 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-22-11 09:03 PM
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If anyone is watching this Republican debate tonight, and has an opinion
Edited on Tue Nov-22-11 09:06 PM by teddy51
on these candidates. IMO Jon Huntsman is the least crazy, followed by (Oh my God) Ron Paul.
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Skip Intro Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-22-11 09:09 PM
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1. I am in agreement. nt
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still_one Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-22-11 09:09 PM
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2. and that is why Huntsman will never get the nomination /nt
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teddy51 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-22-11 09:11 PM
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3. Your absolutely correct, and I still think he should switch parties, and run in 2012.
Sorry, but the guy makes sense to me and so does Ron Paul (even though he's crazy).
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jenmito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-22-11 09:15 PM
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5. So you'd vote for him over Obama? He is very conservative compared to Obama. n/t
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teddy51 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-22-11 09:25 PM
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9. A serious answer, I don't know. There are so many things about
Obama that have disappointed me since his inauguration, but not sure that he still is not the best for us at this time. What we need to do is throw out our current Congress, and get a large majority in both houses. Following this, we could then decide really, how an Obama Presidency would really go.
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jenmito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-22-11 09:44 PM
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13. But you said you wish Huntsman would change parties and run in '12.
If you're disappointed in Obama, Huntsman is NOT someone you'd want to replace him. He's very anti-choice, pro-Ryan Plan as catgirl said, pro-tax cuts for the rich, pro-repealing "Obamacare" as he calls it, and more. If Obama had a Dem.-majority Congress, he would be able to do more.
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golfguru Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-25-11 04:02 PM
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55. In case you have forgotten, we had a veto proof majority
in congress for 2 years in 2009 & 2010.
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Foolacious Donating Member (73 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-25-11 04:57 PM
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56. I think you mean fillibuster-proof...
in the senate. And when you factor in that Franken wasn't seated for a long time and Ted Kennedy was out with his terminal illness, that fillibuster-proof majority was only for something like 100 days (someone did the math but I don't remember who). And it included two independents, one of whom was Lieberman(!), and several Blue-Dog Dems whose votes could not be relied on.
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golfguru Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-25-11 08:06 PM
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57. OOps, thanks for that correction, yes I meant 60 senators=filibuster proof
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catgirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-22-11 09:22 PM
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6. He loves the Ryan Plan
Edited on Tue Nov-22-11 09:22 PM by catgirl
and is as big of a flip flopper as Mitt Romney. Do you know anything about Huntsman? I advise you to investigate before you publicly endorse him.
He's squirrelly and his biggest aim is to derail Romney's campaign. (They're related- family feud).
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teddy51 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-22-11 09:32 PM
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12. First of all I never said I knew anything about Huntsman, but said that he was the
best of the current slate of candidates that I see on the right. I haven't seen anything, in my observation so far, that would put him anywhere close to the rest of these idiots that are running. Ron Paul is favorable to me for his views on war, but none of these people are going to get the call anyway.
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catgirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-22-11 09:48 PM
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16. You said he should switch parties and run in 2012

So that would mean..... run against President Barack Obama.

And now you say "I never said I knew anything about Huntsman", yet you say he should switch parties and run in 2012.

I repeat- brush up on your knowledge about Huntsman before making such wild suggestions.
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teddy51 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-22-11 09:55 PM
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18. Well first of all I never said which party he should swicth to, and I do believe that
President Obama likes Huntsman based on this.

http://motherjones.com/mojo/2011/08/jon-huntsman-democrats-republican
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jenmito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-22-11 10:03 PM
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20. You clearly implied he should switch to the Dem. party. R and D are the only major parties. n/t
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teddy51 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-22-11 10:11 PM
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24. So presume that I said he should switch from R to D and run 2012, what would
be the problem with that? Obama obviously thought enough of Huntsman to appoint him as Ambassador to China.

I am not certain that Huntsman is a Republican, anymore than I am convinced that Obama is a Democrat.
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jenmito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-22-11 10:23 PM
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28. Wow. Really?: "I am not certain that Huntsman is a Republican, anymore than I am convinced that
Edited on Tue Nov-22-11 10:27 PM by jenmito
is a Democrat"? You really have a LOT to learn about Huntsman. Obama chose Huntsman to be Ambassador of China. His positions on other issues don't matter. The problem is that you want Huntsman to primary Obama.
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teddy51 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-22-11 10:35 PM
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29. Thats correct, did I stutter somewhere in my post? n/t
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jenmito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-22-11 10:46 PM
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30. You said earlier that you didn't say which party Huntsman should switch to. Now the
Edited on Tue Nov-22-11 10:48 PM by jenmito
truth comes out, yet you have no idea what Huntsman's positions on the issues are.
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teddy51 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-22-11 10:55 PM
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35. Huntsman has less than zero chance of being elected President, but as far as I am
concerned, he is less destructive than most of the other candidates on the right. As I stated, Huntsman, and then Paul would be the lessor of all evils on the right. Why would Obama chose Huntsman as Ambassador to China if he was a bad individual?
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jenmito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-22-11 11:01 PM
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36. Nice try. You have no idea what you're talking about regarding Huntsman, and I answered you
already about why Obama chose him for Ambassador of China.
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jenmito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-23-11 11:11 AM
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50. Either you DON'T read or you CAN'T read. I've listed about 3 of Huntsman's positions that
Edited on Wed Nov-23-11 11:12 AM by jenmito
prove he's a conservative. I won't list them again. I see you writing things then claiming you didn't say them then coming right out and saying you don't know things (like Huntsman's positions on issues) and then you just go on a cursing spree. Maybe you should know what you're talking about before spouting off like you've been doing.
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catgirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-22-11 10:04 PM
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22. Based on a Real Clear Politics article?

Obama made Huntsman the ambassador to China. Huntsman is smart and is fluent in chinese. Smart chose on Obama's part.

That doesn't change the fact that Huntsman is a conservative minded politician who could serve the country any better than any of the other
idiots on the republican wish list.
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jenmito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-22-11 09:13 PM
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4. Huntsman has been getting lots of applause. And the MSM has been doing their best to
give him more positive attention. I worry that he may just be the next one to be the anti-Romney even though he's not considered conservative.
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catgirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-22-11 09:27 PM
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10. They're not trying to boost Huntsman

They're trying to boost Gingrich through Huntsman. Huntsman is related to Romney and there's a serious family feud between them.
They know Huntsman will aggressively attack Romney since no one else will, and ultimately help Gingrich. They need drama!!! Think
Obama/Clinton coverage on CNN.
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Sarah Ibarruri Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-22-11 09:23 PM
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7. I couldn't stand 1 nanosecond of that bs. It's as worthless as a tabloid. nt
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lib2DaBone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-22-11 09:23 PM
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8. I tried watching for 10 minutes.. they are all Pschopaths....
I can't believe what is coming out of the mouths?

They are the psychotic haters, greedy Bankers, racist, fascist... I'm running out of adjectives...
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cheapdate Donating Member (197 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-22-11 09:28 PM
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11. Why? What's there to see?
Eliminate capital gains. Repeal healthcare. Abolish regulations. Destroy unions. Is there something new?
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joshcryer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-22-11 09:45 PM
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14. Kain on foreign policy is gold, every time. Haha
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riverwalker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-22-11 09:46 PM
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15. saw Paul Wolfowitz
and got sick.
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FailureToCommunicate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-22-11 10:49 PM
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33. Evil incarnate.
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Cali_Democrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-23-11 02:09 PM
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52. That's understandable
nt
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riverwalker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-22-11 09:50 PM
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17. Huntsman just made a batshit crazy
statement: "Our only interest in the Middle East is ISRAEL"
:crazy: WTF?
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catgirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-22-11 10:18 PM
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26. Mormons are from the "House of Israel"

Who consider themselves Christians now.

Does that make them exiles? I don't know and it doesn't concern me. BUT- it might concern diehard religious freaks.
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pettypace Donating Member (695 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-22-11 09:58 PM
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19. Ron Paul onTaliban
"Taliban doesn't mean they want to come over here and kill us. Taliban means they want to kill US over there because we're occupying their country. They are doing the same thing we would do."

He's more left on foreign policy than Obama. Period point blank.
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ellisonz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-22-11 11:13 PM
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39. Ron Paul is an isolationist.
The last time isolationism was popular in this country was the 1920s and 1930s and it was a Republican position. That's not "left."
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Laura PourMeADrink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-22-11 10:04 PM
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21. IMHO. Wolf SUCKS. You might as well have Kim Kardashian leading
this debate. Virtually ZERO followup for these dunces.

I actually would be the least scared if Newt or Huntsman got in. The rest are very scary. But, would love
Ron Paul to decriminalize pot
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catgirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-22-11 10:09 PM
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23. Newt doesn't scare you?

You should be very scared by him.
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Laura PourMeADrink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-22-11 10:13 PM
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25. Nope. It's like his beliefs are based on reasoned analysis. Not
blind, crazy ideology
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catgirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-22-11 10:22 PM
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27. Do you know his history?
Edited on Tue Nov-22-11 10:23 PM by catgirl
He is anything but reasonable. He might sound reasonable, but don't be fooled.

From Dickipedia:

http://www.dickipedia.org/dick.php?title=Newt_Gingrich
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teddy51 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-22-11 10:48 PM
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31. So what are you so afraid of then? There is no way in hell that any of these
idiots are going to be elected President anyway! Gingrich has so many skeletons in his closet, that he has no chance of being elected.
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jenmito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-22-11 10:54 PM
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34. Except for Huntsman, who you wish would become a Dem. and primary Obama...
even though you know nothing about his positions on the policies. :rofl:
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teddy51 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-22-11 11:01 PM
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37. So what do you know about Huntsman that you think is so detructive to our current Democracy (that
really doesn't exist)? Just ask Naomi Wolff or Naomi Klein.
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ellisonz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-22-11 11:16 PM
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41. Oy Vey.
:banghead:
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ellisonz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-22-11 11:15 PM
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40. I dunno about that...
...We allowed George W. Bush to take office twice.
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teddy51 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-22-11 11:22 PM
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42. If the American people are that stupid, then we deserve what we get.
If that were to happen, this country is toast anyway. Seriously, we are very close to where Rome was when it fell.
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ellisonz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-22-11 11:41 PM
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45. Ahh...nothing like collective punishment.
Do you know where Western Rome was when it fell? Overrun by barbarians.:banghead:
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teddy51 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-22-11 11:44 PM
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46. Oh fuck, here we go again! No I don't know where Western Rome was when it fell.
Please enlighten me.
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ellisonz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-22-11 11:49 PM
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48. I'm not going to enlighten you.
Other than to say Americans are over-reliant on making spurious historical comparisons without actually getting down to brass tacks.

Enlighten yourself...
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teddy51 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-23-11 12:18 AM
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49. The point is, who cares about Western Rome? The Roman Empire fell, thats
all we need to know. The US Empire, is not far behind. That is not only my opinion, but many others; ie: Naomi Wolf, Naomi Klein, and others.
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greiner3 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-25-11 03:30 PM
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54. And governed by Christians.
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Stardust Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-22-11 11:27 PM
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43. What a great website! nt
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Politicalboi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-22-11 10:49 PM
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32. Yessss!
Edited on Tue Nov-22-11 10:52 PM by Politicalboi
Newt scares me too. :hide: Just think of all the baggage he has, and he still has a chance with these assholes. They truly are shameless, and will steal an election if given the chance. They have no conscience.
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yortsed snacilbuper Donating Member (13 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-22-11 11:39 PM
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44. None of them are worth a bucket of spit!
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in venere veritas Donating Member (48 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-22-11 11:48 PM
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47. Am I the only one who finds it ironic
that several of the canidates of the "party of small government" favor keeping the Patriot Act despite the fact it gives government powers that essentially shred the Bill of Rights?
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SmittynMo Donating Member (57 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-23-11 02:08 PM
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51. Clown town
Why watch. We all know someone will make a fool of themselves. And the media will pick it up tomorrow. The only advantage of watching is that you get to go to a circus without leaving your house.
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blkmusclmachine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-23-11 02:56 PM
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53. Paul holds some Christian Dominionist views. So he's not "not crazy."
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