Democratic Underground Latest Greatest Lobby Journals Search Options Help Login
Google

There are Folks Who Want to Destroy the Middle Class, Obama Isn't Among Them

Printer-friendly format Printer-friendly format
Printer-friendly format Email this thread to a friend
Printer-friendly format Bookmark this thread
Home » Discuss » General Discussion: Presidency Donate to DU
 
ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-04-11 03:50 PM
Original message
There are Folks Who Want to Destroy the Middle Class, Obama Isn't Among Them

There are Folks Who Want to Destroy the Middle Class, Obama Isn't Among Them

by Muskegon Critic

Man...All's I know is for most of a decade manufacturing plants were closing down without mercy or sign of slowing around here. Every day in the papers for years. And for years and years it was another plant closing down, moving out, downsizing. Brunswick. The century old paper mill. 100 jobs lost here, 300 jobs lost there. Constantly. All the time. ALL THE TIME...By early 2010 the U3 unemployment rate here was 15.6% with the U6 unemployment well into the high 20s.

By late 2010 unemployment actually started to DROP, in part because of a re-emergence of the US auto industry. Car plants were actually OPENING in Michigan, Ohio, Indiana as a DIRECT RESULT of this administration's policies. Not one but TWO advanced battery manufacturing plants opened in West Michigan in the Holland area as a direct result of Federal investment, with a third West Michigan plant planned for Musekgon, Michigan.

<...>

One of the best and fastest ways to shatter unions in America would have been to let the Domestic auto industries shrivel up and die. You can bet our Conservative pals in Washington and the talking heads were all a-drool with vulturous glee at the very notion of GM and Chrysler going belly up in early 2009, hacking a massive notch out of the UAW along with it.

<...>

Fortunately, our president didn't let that happen, and instead the UAW became large shareholders of the companies with a majority ownership of Chrysler and a commanding stake in General Motors. Make no mistake, these are now companies with huge levels of union ownership .

The United Auto Workers control about 65 percent of Chrysler and 17.5 percent of General Motors.

more


Also, these two recess appointments (one subsequently confirmed) revitalized the NLRB.

Mark Gaston Pearce was named Chairman of the National Labor Relations Board by President Obama on August 27, 2011. He was sworn in as a Board Member on April 07, 2010, following his recess appointment, and was confirmed by the Senate on June 22, 2010 to a term ending on August 27, 2013.


Craig Becker was sworn in as a Board Member on April 05, 2010, following his recess appointment by President Obama.


Refresh | +29 Recommendations Printer Friendly | Permalink | Reply | Top
yardwork Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-04-11 04:06 PM
Response to Original message
1. Well, that is certainly damning with faint praise. I mean, really.
Printer Friendly | Permalink | Reply | Top
 
woo me with science Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-04-11 04:47 PM
Response to Reply #1
11. Says a lot, doesn't it.
Good lord, under what other Democratic Presidency would a headline like this have even been considered necessary?!
Printer Friendly | Permalink | Reply | Top
 
Lionessa Donating Member (842 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-04-11 10:20 PM
Response to Reply #11
15. Good point. Seems that Obama sure wants to support those that do want to destroy
the middle class and debase the lower class.
Printer Friendly | Permalink | Reply | Top
 
woo me with science Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-04-11 10:36 PM
Response to Reply #15
17. This reminds me of, and is on a par with,
Edited on Sun Dec-04-11 10:38 PM by woo me with science
this stunning poll headline from October that was celebrated here, too:

Most Americans not scared of Obama's re-election
http://dailyme.com/story/2011102900001420

Talk about scraping the bottom of the barrel when it comes to praise...

:wow:
Printer Friendly | Permalink | Reply | Top
 
ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-04-11 10:49 PM
Response to Reply #17
19. Seems
This reminds me of, and is on a par with,
this stunning poll headline from October that was celebrated here, too:

Most Americans not scared of Obama's re-election
http://dailyme.com/story/2011102900001420

Talk about scraping the bottom of the barrel when it comes to praise...


...you're really captivated by that Fox Noise poll? Or are you getting nervous that President Obama will win?










Printer Friendly | Permalink | Reply | Top
 
woo me with science Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-04-11 11:09 PM
Response to Reply #19
20. Anyone can google that thread, Prosense....
Edited on Sun Dec-04-11 11:17 PM by woo me with science
so I wouldn't take that line if I were you...

I recall expressing shock that it was posted here as praise at all.

:wow:
Printer Friendly | Permalink | Reply | Top
 
ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-04-11 11:14 PM
Response to Reply #20
21. Why
"You are the one who posted it, Prosense."

...yes I did. I even understood that the author of the Daily Kos piece was writing about a Fox poll.

Fox poll says Fox News is failing: Most Americans not scared of Obama's reelection

It seems to have captured your interest in a distortive way. Hey, whatever turns you on!

Printer Friendly | Permalink | Reply | Top
 
woo me with science Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-04-11 11:20 PM
Response to Reply #21
22. Oh, it's very interesting.
Pathetic, but it says a lot about where we are after three years with this administration.
Printer Friendly | Permalink | Reply | Top
 
ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-04-11 11:22 PM
Response to Reply #22
23. Why
"Pathetic, but it says a lot about where we are after three years with this administration."

..."we"? Are you a Fox viewer or were you one of the poll participants?

Printer Friendly | Permalink | Reply | Top
 
woo me with science Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-04-11 11:49 PM
Response to Reply #23
24. Oooooh, you GOT me!
Edited on Sun Dec-04-11 11:58 PM by woo me with science
I just found myself in a DEVIOUSLY CLEVER and INESCAPABLE rhetorical TRAP! Because of course the word, "we," there can only refer to REPUBLICANS!

Except...well...actually, that makes no sense at all. :rofl:

You may have the last word if you want it, Prosense. You take care!


Printer Friendly | Permalink | Reply | Top
 
jefferson_dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-04-11 10:26 PM
Response to Reply #11
16. It shouldn't be necessary ... but it is. Frankly, I'm surprised.
I fully expected to click on this thread to find more of our resident fantasy promoters countering with "yuh huh...he does too want to destroy the middle class."
Printer Friendly | Permalink | Reply | Top
 
girl gone mad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-05-11 01:15 AM
Response to Reply #16
25. .
Edited on Mon Dec-05-11 01:15 AM by girl gone mad
Printer Friendly | Permalink | Reply | Top
 
ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-04-11 10:44 PM
Response to Reply #11
18. More
"Says a lot, doesn't it. Good lord, under what other Democratic Presidency would a headline like this have even been considered necessary?!"

...nonsense. What do you think?

Reality: Does the repeal of Glass-Steagall, NAFTA and Welfare reform ring a bell? You are here!

This: "what other Democratic Presidency"

... is equivalent to "blah, blah, blah." It's nonsense.

Printer Friendly | Permalink | Reply | Top
 
jody Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-04-11 04:09 PM
Response to Original message
2. IMO a large class of grey and blue collar workers are essential to keep the lowest quartile of
society under control and preserve the power of the 1% that own over 50% of our financial wealth and control all multinational corporations based in the US.
Printer Friendly | Permalink | Reply | Top
 
ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-04-11 04:19 PM
Response to Reply #2
4. That
"IMO a large class of grey and blue collar workers are essential to keep the lowest quartile of society under control and preserve the power of the 1% that own over 50% of our financial wealth and control all multinational corporations based in the US."

...statement seems anti-union?




source

Printer Friendly | Permalink | Reply | Top
 
jody Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-04-11 04:26 PM
Response to Reply #4
6. Only 6.9% of private sector workers belong to unions. n/t
Printer Friendly | Permalink | Reply | Top
 
ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-04-11 04:41 PM
Response to Reply #6
8. And
Edited on Sun Dec-04-11 04:42 PM by ProSense
"Only 6.9% of private sector workers belong to unions."

...that's not a good thing. During the most prosperous years for American workers, union membership was five times higher.

Printer Friendly | Permalink | Reply | Top
 
Major Hogwash Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-05-11 01:42 AM
Response to Reply #6
26. That is perhaps the most understated use of the word "only" I have ever seen in my life!
Only 6.9% of private sector workers belong to unions.

That's like saying there are only millions of workers in the private sector that belong to unions, that's all.
Printer Friendly | Permalink | Reply | Top
 
Evergreen Emerald Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-04-11 04:17 PM
Response to Original message
3. He is not one of them, but he compromises with them.
And the end result is the same.
Printer Friendly | Permalink | Reply | Top
 
Hutzpa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-04-11 04:20 PM
Response to Reply #3
5. Listening to Rush will do that to you
he is good at making the not so clued on clueless.
Printer Friendly | Permalink | Reply | Top
 
Evergreen Emerald Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-04-11 04:35 PM
Response to Reply #5
7. Nice
Edited on Sun Dec-04-11 04:37 PM by Evergreen Emerald
You will have to explain your sentence. I do not quite understand your point.

Printer Friendly | Permalink | Reply | Top
 
Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-04-11 04:41 PM
Response to Original message
9. Deleted message
Message removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.
 
ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-04-11 04:46 PM
Response to Reply #9
10. .
You make no sense!

Printer Friendly | Permalink | Reply | Top
 
bvar22 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-04-11 05:00 PM
Response to Original message
12. Reality Check:
"Employers have demanded wage and benefit concessions from their unionized workers and often got them. Detroit is creating auto jobs again — but new hires are getting about half the pay that auto workers were getting before. "
---Robert Reich
http://robertreich.org/post/3638565075



"The cuts devastated many working families, but provoked few, if any, serious responses from UAW leadership, who wound up holding large amounts of the company’s stock.

UAW leadership then unilaterally signed away their members’ job bank program (a badly needed safety net for fired UAW members) and future cost of living adjustments without so much as a courtesy vote. The right to strike for the next several years was likewise surrendered, leaving the fate of abused workers entirely in the hands of the company.

Worst of all, in the eyes of many UAW workers, was the creation of the “two tier” wage system, in which two people working the same job are paid unequally, forcing some workers to take as much as a 50% pay cut."

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2011/09/23/1019637/-Competition,-Bankruptcy,-and-the-Decline-of-the-United-Auto-Workers



As a committed "Free Trader" President Obama hopes to preside over the return of manufacturing jobs in America.
And that WILL happen,
when wages and benefits of the American Worker are reduced to the level of the 3rd World.

"For instance, the union represents about 250 employees of a Johnson Controls auto supplier plant in Northwood, who agreed to lower starting wages several years ago to win a contract to make vehicle seats. The work was nearly outsourced later to a plant in India, but local Johnson Controls workers implemented productivity improvements that allowed the Toledo-area facility to keep the work.

"Globalization has had a huge impact on the downward spiral of wages because we're competing with companies that are paying $1.50 to $4.50 an hour between Asia and Mexico," Mr. Baumhower said.

Many employers, he said, have tried to shoulder a portion of skyrocketing health insurance costs in the last decade, a cost that he believes has made it difficult for some companies to increase pay.


Ms. Hanauer said a two-tier wage system at automotive and supplier plants in the state, under which new employees are making $14 or $15 an hour -- about half of what veteran employees receive -- could make it a challenge for Ohio wages to increase during the next decade."

http://www.toledoblade.com/Economy/2011/09/07/Report-says-Ohio-led-U-S-in-pay-drops-in-past-decade.html


President Obama proudly proclaims that, "The American Worker can compete with workers anywhere in the World!"
....and that is TRUE.
Just as soon as the American Worker is hungry enough!



The Church of the Giant Invisible Hand, established 1984.
All Hail the Giant Invisible Hand!
This newly discovered Deity enjoys a bi-partisan congregation that includes the leadership of BOTH dominant political parties in the US,
despite there being absolutely NO evidence that such a Deity exists.




You will know them by their WORKS,
not by their excuses.
Solidarity99!
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------




Printer Friendly | Permalink | Reply | Top
 
ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-04-11 05:04 PM
Response to Reply #12
13. Actual
"Reality Check"

...reality.

Suggestion: update the links.

Printer Friendly | Permalink | Reply | Top
 
bvar22 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-04-11 06:22 PM
Response to Reply #13
14. "Update the links".. LOL ... I don't think so.
Lets take a look at the 3 articles from which I posted excerpts:


"The Real News on Jobs"
--Robert Reich
Friday, March 4, 2011


"Competition, Bankruptcy, and the Decline of the United Auto Workers"
---posted at Daily Kos
Fri Sep 23, 2011 at 12:34 PM PDT


and my final cite is from TODAY'S Toledo Blade
"Report says Ohio led U.S. in pay drops in past decade"
Sunday, December 04, 2011

I am satisfied that my links, information, and data are current and correct.
All 3 offer independent corroboration,
and are in no need of updating.

..but thanks for sharing your concern.



Solidarity99!
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

















Printer Friendly | Permalink | Reply | Top
 
Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-05-11 07:10 AM
Response to Reply #14
28. Deleted message
Message removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.
 
ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-05-11 08:01 AM
Response to Reply #28
29. Get therapy!
Being anti-Obama and paranoid is not healthy.

Printer Friendly | Permalink | Reply | Top
 
slay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-05-11 01:56 AM
Response to Original message
27. His actions sure seem to show otherwise
he signs free trade deals shipping more jobs overseas - he knows most of our jobs are gone and are never coming back. maybe he's on our side in a rigged game - but the game is still rigged and the middle class is still being destroyed. isn't he the one who signed extensions on the Bush tax cuts for the top 1% - as people are hurting for jobs those taxes could have created? yes, yes that was him.
Printer Friendly | Permalink | Reply | Top
 
DU AdBot (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view 
this author's profile Click to add 
this author to your buddy list Click to add 
this author to your Ignore list Wed May 01st 2024, 12:24 AM
Response to Original message
Advertisements [?]
 Top

Home » Discuss » General Discussion: Presidency Donate to DU

Powered by DCForum+ Version 1.1 Copyright 1997-2002 DCScripts.com
Software has been extensively modified by the DU administrators


Important Notices: By participating on this discussion board, visitors agree to abide by the rules outlined on our Rules page. Messages posted on the Democratic Underground Discussion Forums are the opinions of the individuals who post them, and do not necessarily represent the opinions of Democratic Underground, LLC.

Home  |  Discussion Forums  |  Journals |  Store  |  Donate

About DU  |  Contact Us  |  Privacy Policy

Got a message for Democratic Underground? Click here to send us a message.

© 2001 - 2011 Democratic Underground, LLC