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jefferson_dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-08-11 11:53 AM
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"Ask Osama Bin Laden...whether I engage in appeasement."
Edited on Thu Dec-08-11 12:10 PM by jefferson_dem
- President Obama, just now, responding to inane GOP charges of foreign policy / national security weakness.

VIDEO HERE: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vnObS88mE8Y&feature=player_embedded

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catbyte Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-08-11 12:00 PM
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1. I love it when he's feisty. Please keep it up!
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steve2470 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-08-11 05:06 PM
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35. + 100000 nt
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Proud Liberal Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-08-11 12:00 PM
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2. or Somali pirates n/t
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jefferson_dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-08-11 12:02 PM
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4. Or some 20 odd scumbag "leaders" in Al-Qaeda who are now expired...
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Vattel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-08-11 12:21 PM
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9. Or the innocent bystanders killed as collateral damage
Edited on Thu Dec-08-11 12:24 PM by Vattel
in Afghanistan, Pakistan, and Yemen.
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jefferson_dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-08-11 12:31 PM
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11. Tragic...
price to pay.

We agree.
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no limit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-08-11 02:25 PM
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19. Tragic price to pay? You make it sound like the only way to do this is by killing innocent people
in the process
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jefferson_dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-08-11 03:29 PM
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25. It only "sounds" that way...
Edited on Thu Dec-08-11 03:29 PM by jefferson_dem
because you're not even listening ... to anything other than your own illogical dogmatism.
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no limit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-08-11 04:10 PM
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27. Then by all means explain. Why does this have to be the price we pay?
There is no other way to do this?
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Lord Magus Donating Member (443 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-09-11 04:04 AM
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56. Because war isn't a video game.
There's no way to guarantee innocent civilians will never get caught up in it.
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dennis4868 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-08-11 02:42 PM
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20. lots of innocent people died...
in WW2....are u saying we should not have fought that war?
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no limit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-08-11 02:57 PM
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21. lots of innocent people died...
in WW2....are u saying we should not have fought the Iraq war?

Gee, what possibly could you not justify using your logic?
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Vattel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-08-11 09:06 PM
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44. What I am suggesting
is that we have unjustifiably and inexcusably killed innocent people in our current war against terrorism.

And by the way, we killed far more innocent people in WWII than we should have.
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Liberal_Stalwart71 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-09-11 02:12 PM
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72. That's what I was screaming at the tee vee last night! Why do people forget that
That the taking out of the Somali pirates was one of his first acts as a foreign policy president!?!? *banging head against the wall*

Oh, and BTW, that act was praised by Republicans and Democrats alike!!!
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Whisp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-08-11 12:01 PM
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3. what a great comeback line.
goodness but those GOPs are going way over the friggen lines lately. they are Desperate, treading water, losing breath. going down........
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Proud Liberal Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-08-11 12:08 PM
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5. They are flailin' and failin'
n/t
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bigwillq Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-08-11 12:08 PM
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6. Good line.
:thumbsup:
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BeyondGeography Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-08-11 12:08 PM
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7. Funny
He's a socialist, so he must be a wuss, right?
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Vogon_Glory Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-08-11 12:09 PM
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8. And President Obama didn't shilly-shally about it for eight years, unlike the Republicans. n/t
Edited on Thu Dec-08-11 12:11 PM by Vogon_Glory
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no limit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-08-11 12:21 PM
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10. Or the hundreds of innocent children that have been killed by "our" drone attacks
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-08-11 01:03 PM
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12. Like civilians were so much better off with GOP Shock & Awe!
I believe that innocent civilians shouldn't never be killed period....
and I also submit, that Shock and Awe killed hundreds of thousands,
as opposed to hundreds.
Is either right? No.
Is hundreds an improvement over thousands? I believe that it is.
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no limit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-08-11 01:13 PM
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13. What a persuasive argument you have there
Edited on Thu Dec-08-11 01:14 PM by no limit
"Hey! We kill less innocent people than they do!".

If Republicans kill thousands, and Democrats kill hudnreds, maybe we should find someone new? Instead of simply going with the lesser of 2 evils every fucking time?

Also, drone attacks have gone up under this administration, by a long shot. The fact Obama hasn't fully invaded a country is no excuse.
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jefferson_dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-08-11 01:24 PM
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14. Not hundreds. The point of the President's comments is that he HAS killed one particular "person"...
and a couple dozen others, in particular. "Hey! We kill more bad guys than they do!" Sorry.
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no limit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-08-11 01:44 PM
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16. Drone attacks ordered by the Obama administration haven't killed hundreds of civilians?
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jefferson_dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-08-11 01:46 PM
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17. Nobody is arguing that point.
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no limit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-08-11 02:20 PM
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18. Right, we are just talking about what big balls Obama has
and all I'm saying is if you are going to point out his anti-terror policies as an example of that you should include all the innocent people killed in an effort to make that point.
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great white snark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-08-11 02:59 PM
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22. The point is President Obama took out a mass-murderer.
It has nothing to do with his "big balls".

In every war innocents suffer.
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jefferson_dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-08-11 03:24 PM
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24. Make you a deal...
Every time you give him/us credit for expiring murderous thugs, I'll lament any innocents lost in the cross-fire.
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no limit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-08-11 04:10 PM
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26. I will never give anyone credit that feels killing 10 innocents is okay
because 1 bad guy went down with them.
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jefferson_dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-08-11 04:17 PM
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28. So be it.
Have a good day. :hi:
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slay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-08-11 04:59 PM
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34. Neither will I
i do not even understand how people who call themselves Democrats here on DU can support murder. it's stuff like this that makes me question if i'm even a Democrat anymore. :(
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Lord Magus Donating Member (443 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-09-11 04:03 AM
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55. I wasn't aware that being a Democrat meant being a pacifist.
Despite what the media's tried to make us think since at least Gulf War, war is not a video game. It's still impossible to guarantee no civilians will be caught in the crossfire.

But you make it sound like Obama is emulating the IDF, and blowing up apartment buildings full of civilians to get a single terrorist inside. He's not.
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Vattel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-09-11 09:51 AM
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62. There is a huge difference between pacifism
and merely demanding an adequate justification for actions that predictably kill innocent people.
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tledford Donating Member (633 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-08-11 07:27 PM
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42. +1,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 eom
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ellisonz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-09-11 06:32 AM
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59. lol
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1000000000000000000000_%28number%29
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Vattel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-08-11 10:59 PM
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46. Thank you for being morally decent
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Cali_Democrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-09-11 04:57 AM
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57. Exactly
One innocent life snuffed out is one too many.
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treestar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-09-11 10:11 AM
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65. Even if the bad guy killed many more than 10?
The bad guys just win with that attitude.

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boppers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-10-11 05:18 AM
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81. What is an acceptable ratio?
Aside from "hey, the world is perfect, we can somehow never hurt innocents" games, is 10 million bad guys being killed, which screwed up a stop sign, thus leading to the traffic death of one innocent, okay?

Or are you operating with a mindset that a perfect system, which never hurts any innocents, is possible?
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Dreamer Tatum Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-09-11 01:05 PM
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67. Then MAN, must you love the death penalty. nt
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Life Long Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-08-11 03:15 PM
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23. "The fact Obama hasn't fully invaded a country is no excuse."
If we were not there in the first place you would have no deaths.
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boppers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-10-11 05:21 AM
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82. Yes, nobody died in Iraq before.
They lived eternally.

(Have you noticed that some "death counts" include things like heart attacks, and muggings?)
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treestar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-09-11 10:10 AM
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64. Wouldn't doing nothing be "appeasement?"
Edited on Fri Dec-09-11 10:10 AM by treestar
Love it how there is no way to do the right thing.
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CakeGrrl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-08-11 01:36 PM
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15. The guy the GOP failed miserably to get.
Hit these asshats HARD, Mr. President.
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Cali_Democrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-08-11 04:49 PM
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31. Those innocent civilians that were killed by drone strikes....
should have known damn well that Obama don't believe in no appeasement.

USA!! USA!!! USA!! We're number one!!! :headbang:
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CakeGrrl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-08-11 05:47 PM
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39. So call The Hague.
:eyes:
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CakeGrrl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-08-11 06:12 PM
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41. You come by and sling gross generalizations and mischaracterizations of fellow DUers around
So what kind of dialogue do you seek in a forum that you seem to dislike so much based on your pattern of remarks?
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slay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-10-11 04:22 AM
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80. Seemed pretty accurate to me
EOM
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Beacool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-08-11 04:51 PM
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32. He sounds like Bush's brother from a different father.
:eyes:
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WI_DEM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-08-11 04:53 PM
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33. sour grapes, still?
:eyes:
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JoePhilly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-08-11 05:42 PM
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36. Obama has to put out the fire, but not get the house wet in the process.
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BlancheSplanchnik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-09-11 12:13 PM
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66. +1jillion. n/t
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Beacool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-08-11 11:50 PM
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50. Drinking the Kool-Aid, still?
:eyes:
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CakeGrrl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-08-11 05:46 PM
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38. And Hillary would have "obliterated" Iran if need be. 'member that?
No worries - that was a rhetorical question.

:hi:
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Beacool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-08-11 11:48 PM
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49. ONLY if Iran attacked Israel with nuclear weapons.
:hi:
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SunsetDreams Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-09-11 12:46 AM
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51. OH so it's ok to Avenge an Attack on Israel but not the USA?
:shrug:

My guess is if Hillary would have got OBL you wouldn't take issue with it.
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ellisonz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-09-11 06:33 AM
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60. +1
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Beacool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-09-11 01:07 PM
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68. Her statement was in response to a reporter's question.
The reporter didn't ask her what she would do if Iran attacked with nuclear weapons the US.

:eyes:
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SunsetDreams Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-09-11 01:15 PM
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69. Not sure how, but you miss the point.
It's somehow ok for The US to get involved in another countries problem, but by your standards, if we are attacked we can't retaliate against the country, organization/person(s) involved. Oh but we can by all means attack another country for attacking Israel. At least according to you that would be ok, and as long as that person is Hillary, not Obama. I don't care if her statement was outright or in answer to a question, that isn't the point here, but I think you know that.

That's... just wow.:eyes:
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ProgressoDem Donating Member (145 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-09-11 01:21 AM
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54. I'd say if Iran straight-up nuked Israel, yes it would be appropriate to obliterate them.
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CakeGrrl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-09-11 01:37 PM
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70. Alas, we'll never know.
;-)
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Beacool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-09-11 04:30 PM
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74. Never say never..........
;)
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Brigid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-08-11 08:16 PM
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43. You beat me to it.
Best comeback ever! :rofl:
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mikekohr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-08-11 09:23 PM
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45. Mission Accomplished by steady, quiet, competance
Edited on Thu Dec-08-11 09:27 PM by mikekohr
that'a a pleasant change from the loud mouth cowboy we had in the White House from 2000-2008.
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Pisces Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-08-11 11:06 PM
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47. Despite the naysayers on this thread, Obama is kicking ass and taking names!!!!
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jefferson_dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-09-11 06:16 AM
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58. Haters gonna hate.
Fuckem.
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Pirate Smile Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-09-11 09:57 AM
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63. .
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BlueStater Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-08-11 11:11 PM
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48. If he didn't say anything, people would be criticizing him for letting the GOP define him.
Either way, he can't win with everyone.
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SunsetDreams Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-09-11 12:48 AM
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52. Nice Response!! nt
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ProgressoDem Donating Member (145 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-09-11 01:20 AM
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53. Kick ass!
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Cigar11 Donating Member (276 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-09-11 09:30 AM
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61. It’s about time he Bitched Slapped these Idiots
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Liberal_Stalwart71 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-09-11 02:09 PM
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71. DAMN! He's so hot here!!!! n/t
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Liberal_Stalwart71 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-09-11 08:55 PM
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77. Don't hate! Our president is a handsome man! Love it when you ODSer's can't stand it!
ROFL!!!!
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BlueIris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-10-11 01:04 AM
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78. The Admin will rue the day he ever used the OBL killing for political self-aggrandizement.
At this point, they're almost asking for flack over it. Which is a dangerous route to take. I didn't want Bin Laden left alive, but trying to use it to bolster his image is going to backfire.
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BklnDem75 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-10-11 01:44 AM
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79. In what way?
I'm pretty sure any 'flack' will come from the actual killing and not from a one liner.
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