Tea Partiers To Republicans: You Better Call For Full Repeal of Reform, Or Else

Tea Partiers To Republicans: You Better Call For Full Repeal of Reform, Or Else

It’s now becoming clear that this could be a major issue for Republicans in 2010: the Tea Party movement, as well as high-profile conservatives, are going to demand that candidates call for a full repeal of the Dem healthcare reform bill, presuming it passes.

Multiple figures on the right are beginning to make this demand explicit.

In an interview with me just now, Max Pappas, the Vice President for Public Policy of Dick Armey’s FreedomWorks, said that if the bill passes, politicians should call for a full repeal.

“This has an unusual ability to be repealed, and the public is on that side.” he said. “The Republicans are going to have to prove that they are worthy of their votes.”

He emphasized that all the different parts of the bill fit together, and that Congress would need to try to repeal the whole thing.

This could put GOP candidates in a bind. We first reported that the Dem game plan in 2010 is to put politicians on the spot, but Mitch McConnell this Sunday declined to go that far when Jake Tapper asked him if Republican candidates would call for full repeal. “There’s no question that this bill, if it were to become law, and frankly even if it doesn’t become law, will be a big, if not central issue not only in the 2010 election, but in the 2012 election,” he said.

That’s not good enough for right wing activists. Erick Erickson of redstate.org criticized McConnell for dodging the question. “Politicians should actually say ‘yes’ when they mean ‘yes’ and ‘no’ when they mean ‘no,’ instead of dancing around the issue,” he wrote.

Newt Gingrich threw down the same gauntlet on “Meet the Press” yesterday when he said, “I suspect that every Republican in 2010 and 2012 will run on an absolute pledge to repeal this bill.”

By insisting on ideological purity and making a bet that the bill will be universally unpopular, conservatives are leaving Republican candidates with no room for flexibility.

This one isn’t going away.

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and another 67 in the Senate.

That's impossible.

Obama would veto any such attempt at repealing and they fucking well know it.

I hope they mean what they say! Don't discourage them. :D

FDL lovers are sure to chime in any moment now.

Take out the mandates get rid of most things and leave in the abortion provision?

Obama would veto anything that guts HCR.

I guarantee you, if any such attempt to repeal made it through a GOP controlled Congress, Obama would veto in a heartbeat.

Mobilize for 2012. We are so screwed

The Teabaggers are forcing the Republicans to snatch defeat from the jaws of what would be a modest victory.

This bill will be of no help to us. The people who it is designed to help will be the ones screaming the loudest once they see the governments idea of affordable.

This bill is the most sweeping social legislaiton in more than forty years. Obama's numbers will skyrocket after he signs it.

The only people complaining about it are internet tough guys and Republicans.

Firebaggers are whiny little assholes who didn't get their way and are stamping their feet like PUMAs.

Politics is a tricky game. Make such absolute political predictions at your own risk.

energize more than 50% of the country, I'm sure. It would make him look strong.

I suspect the teabaggers extremist posturing on reform should be pleasing to some "progressive" "kill the billers"

in politics these days. I love this stuff. :)

Then all bets are off. I don't think that will happen, but in politics you never know. It's true that the Dems in the Senate would probably try to filibuster any attempt at repeal, but then again, who knows what the political climate might be by then and what might happen?

Politicians love to make pledges on issues that they know have no chance of actually happening.

See term limits as an example.

this is why reconciliation is a dangerous gamble.

harm the teabaggers will do to the Repub. party.

people getting health care where they had none, or on saving money then it's not a gamble at all. In fact if anything it shows that putting in more cost savings measures like the public option would be beneficial for the Dems.

Republicans are committing suicide if this is their platform. Did you all look at that chart posted by Mari333? Who would vote for the party that wants to keep main street paying more than twice as much as other countries for an inferior product that literally could endanger ones life?

Of course Republicans have been convincing woemn to vote against their own best interest for decades so perhaps I'm wrong....

you're our only hope to keep our losses to a minimum. I LOVE that they are demanding the Repubs. become even MORE the "Party of No." Especially once the bill passes and people start approving of it more and more.

When Obama took office, we were talking about *gaining* seats in 2010. Now the teabaggers are our "only hope" to avoid getting creamed?

years." Yes, it's improbable. :shrug: And that was before the RWers rose up thanks to Beck, Palin, and others. So, the hatred out there was not realized back then.

But there's no denying that people were considering it before Obama blew his mandate.

that was before the RWers rose up thanks to Beck, Palin, and others. So, the hatred out there was not realized back then.

The Rabid Right Wingers had zero power as long as Obama maintained the support from his election. After Rahm, Geithner, Summers and Rick Warren, an "enthusiasm vacuum" was created that allowed the Teabaggers to grab the spotlight.

making it more than a tiny minority.

Fact is, Obama's weak leadership made sure that there would be no vocal majority out there screaming against the Teabaggers. All he had to do was show a tiny bit of sympathy toward the people who got him elected and we would have been all over it.

and got more of them emboldened. Obama's leadership is NOT weak. He's accomplished more already than most presidents. I don't blame him for knowing the limits of this congress.

You really are playing right into the hands of the Teabaggers. If Obama doesn't change course, nothing will keep us from a right-wing resurgence. You just can't convince every disillusioned liberal and independent to show up to vote.

No-I'M not playing right into the hands of the teabaggers. The purists are doing that-working with them to "kill the bill" after all the hard work he and congress have done to come THIS far.

Though, from a certain perspective, the Wall Street and Health Insurance bailouts are far from failures -- as long as you assume that Obama never intended to do anything but help his corporate backers.

# Signed executive orders to close the U.S. military prison at Guantanamo Bay, Cuba, within a year, ban torture and end the CIA’s secret overseas prisons and define treatment of Detainees.
# Reversed restrictions on stem cell research.
# Signed the Lilly Ledbetter Fair Pay Act. Reducing discrimination based on gender, age, religion, or race.
# Signed an executive order reversing the ban that prohibits funding to international family planning groups that provide abortions. Gag rule revoked (Mexico City policy).
# Creates the White House Council on Women and Girls "to provide a coordinated federal response to the challenges confronted by women and girls and to ensure that all Cabinet and Cabinet-level agencies consider how their policies and programs impact women and families."
# Signed the American Recovery and Reinvestment Act of 2009.
# Signed a Presidental Memorandum extending federal benefits to same-sex partners of federal workers and announced support for the Domestic Partners Benefits and Obligations Act of 2009.
# Reverses U.S. position on LGBT Issues at the UN: At the "Durban Review Conference," U.S. supports language condemning “all forms of discrimination and all other human rights violations based on sexual orientation.”
# Signed the Children's Health Insurance Program (CHIP) Reauthorization Act of 2009 expanding health coverage for 250,000 children.
# Rescinded a Bush administration directive that effectively made it impossible for states to raise their eligibility limits under the State Children’s Health Insurance Program (SCHIP) above 250 percent of the poverty level.
# Named Wilma Liebman as the next chairwoman of the National Labor Relations Board (NLRB). As an NLRB member over the past eight years, Liebman challenged the Bush administration’s war on workers.
# Nominated Mark Pearce, a member of the New York State United Teachers union, and Craig Becker, current associate general counsel for the AFL-CIO and the Service Employees International Union, to the to the National Labor Relations Board.
# Signed executive order requiring federal contractors to offer jobs to current workers when contracts change.
# Reversed a Bush order requiring federal contractors to post notice that workers can limit financial support of unions serving as their exclusive bargaining representatives.
# Signed executive order preventing federal contractors from being reimbursed for expenses meant to influence workers deciding whether to form a union and engage in collective bargaining.
# Created a foreclosure prevention fund for homeowners.
# Expanded eligibility for the refinancing portion of the Making Home Affordable plan to help Americans struggling with distressed mortgages refinance at lower interest rates, even if they owe up to 25 percent more than their homes are now worth.
# Established a credit card "bill of rights".
# Expanded loan programs for small businesses.
# Extended and index the 2007 Alternative Minimum Tax patch.
# Expanded eligibility for State Children's Health Insurance Fund (SCHIP).
# Expanded funding to train primary care providers and public health practitioners.
# Created a new White House task force on the problems of middle-class Americans, and installed Vice President Joe Biden as its chairman.
# Appoints Vice President Joe Biden to Oversee Stimulus Plan Payouts.
# Granted a reprieve to Liberian immigrants facing imminent expulsion.
# Directed military leaders to end war in Iraq.
# Allowing Caskets to be photographed when the return from Iraq with family approval.
# Released nine previously secret internal Justice Department memos and opinions defining the legal limits of government power in combating terrorism.
# On Arab TV Network, Obama Urges Dialogue.
# Gave a speech in Cairo engaging the Muslim and Arab world.
# Bars independent contractors from conducting interrogations of terror suspects.
# Granted Americans unrestricted rights to visit family and send money to Cuba.
# Ordered the release of nearly a quarter of a million pages of records from the Reagan White House that were kept from the public during a lengthy review by President George W. Bush.
# Restored funding for the Byrne Justice Assistance Grant (Byrne/JAG) program.
# Released presidential records.
# Required new hires to sign a form affirming their hiring was not due to political affiliation or contributions.
# Pushed for enactment of Matthew Shepard Act, which expands hate crime law to include sexual orientation and other factors.
# Invites gay families to the Easter Egg Roll as part of the Obama administration's outreach to diverse communities.
# Created a White House Office on Urban Policy.
# Increased funding for the NEA.
# Appointed an assistant to the president for science and technology policy.
# Funded a major expansion of AmeriCorps.
# Banned lobbyist gifts to executive employees.
# Investment in all types of alternative energy.
# Enacted tax credit for consumers for plug-in hybrid cars.
# Support for high-speed rail.
# Provided grants to encourage energy-efficient building codes.
# Extended unemployment insurance benefits and temporarily suspend taxes on these benefits.
# Created the White House Council on Automotive Communities and Workers to help auto industry workers transition to new manufacturing opportunities, including jobs in alternative energy.
# Stopped raids on medical marijuana dispensers.
# Nominated Sonia Sotomayor to the Supreme Court of the United States, the first Hispanic to ever serve on the Supreme Court.
# Appointed more than 60 openly LGBT persons to positions in the executive branch.
# Issues Presidential Proclamation for Pride, proclaiming June 2009 as Lesbian, Gay, Bisexual, and Transgender Pride Month.
# Signed a mercury reduction pact with 140 other nations.
# Signed the Weapons System Acquisition Reform Act to curb wasteful spending by the Pentagon. Intended to price contracts and budgets lower; may potentially save billions of dollars in defense.
# Signed the Omnibus Public Lands Management Act of 2009, which serves to protect two million acres of land and creates a new system of land conservation for the Bureau of Land Management.
# Phase out government payments to crop producers making more than $500,000 a year and eliminates subsidies for cotton storage to help trim the U.S. budget deficit.
# Cut funding for a proposed U.S. nuclear storage facility at Yucca Mountain.
# Restored Endangered Species Act Provision requiring U.S. agencies consult with independent federal experts to determine if their actions might harm threatened and endangered species.
# Orders The Chesapeake Bay Protection and Restoration "to protect and restore the health, heritage, natural resources, and social and economic value of the Nation's largest estuarine ecosystem and the natural sustainability of its watershed."
# Signed the 2009 Omnibus Public Land Management Act designating two million additional acres of public wilderness areas the highest level of government protection from logging and other forms of commercial use and development.
# Signed the Christopher and Dana Reeve Paralysis Act which will expedite the search for cures and treatments for millions of Americans living with paralysis caused by spinal cord injury, stroke, MS, Parkinson's and many other diseases and disorders.
# Established The Joint Virtual Lifetime Electronic Record, a new system for updating medical records of servicemen and women both during and after their military careers.
# Established the White House Office of Health Reform
# Created new and stronger safety standards to safeguard the country's food supply.
# Signed into law the Matthew Shepard and James Byrd, Jr. Hate Crimes Prevention Act
# Overturned a 22-year-old travel and immigration ban against people with HIV.
# Extended the Ryan White HIV/AIDS program.
# Directed US Ambassador to the United Nations Susan Rice to sign the United Nations Convention on the Rights of Persons With Disabilities Proclamation. The UN treaty calls on all countries to guarantee equal benefits, protection, and justice for individuals with disabilities around the world.

Thanks to Political Tiger: http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=433&topic_id=97836&mesg_id=97891

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To that I'd just add: Squander the best opportunity for real change in over three generations. Not exactly what I expected from the HOPEANDCHANGEANDYESWECAN president.


Your list? Stinky has a response to it. http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=389&topic_id=7340567&mesg_id=7340567

that any Dem. president should be proud of. The list you provided? Half of those things are things he campaigned on or things congress passed because they're more conservative than Obama. And using RW talking points doesn't make the list very credible.

I'm going to die of not surprise. :eyes:

:eyes:

See, I've got my own little list.


07/07/09: White House open to deal on Public Option: http://online.wsj.com/article/SB124692407982802911.html

08/16/09: Obama doesn't mention Public Option on NYT OpEd: http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x8591084

08/18/09: White House signals Public Option may be dropped: http://www.nytimes.com/2009/08/18/health/policy/18talkshows.html?_r=1

09/02/09: White House offers "trigger" to Snowe: http://wonkroom.thinkprogress.org/2009/09/02/snowe-trigger-wh/

09/04/09: White House memo omits support for Public Option: http://theplumline.whorunsgov.com/health-care/white-house-polling-memo-omits-numbers-showing-support-for-public-option/

09/06/09: White House backs away from requiring Public Option: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/32714404/ns/politics-health_care_reform

10/16/09: Obama's 'trigger' stance irks the Hill: http://voices.washingtonpost.com/44/2009/10/26/obamas_trigger_stance_irks_the.html

10/18/09: White House reaffirms Public Option not a priority: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/10/18/AR2009101802152.html

10/23/09: Public Option near, but White House pushes Trigger: http://crooksandliars.com/susie-madrak/public-option-success-close-white-hou

10/24/09: Obama actively discourages Senate's Public Option: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/10/24/leaderless-senate-pushes_n_332844.html

11/11/09: White House Pushes Trigger: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/11/11/white-house-thinks-trigge_n_354380.html

12/06/09: Obama silent on Public Option in speech to Senators: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/12/06/obama-silent-on-public-op_n_381847.html

He also praised the House bill that HAS a public option as well as the Senate bill that had the opt-out public option. He's trying to get HCR passed with the congress he has.

Now that Obama has "rolled up his sleeves" (and why, again, couldn't he have done that before?), I guarantee you that the bill will come out of conference without a meaningful public option.

Obama HAS been involved in the HCR process all along. And now that there are final bills in the House and Senate that must be merged, he will make sure he gets a bill to sign into law, which every president before him in decades was unable to do. There will be things in the bill that accomplish what the public option would accomplish-choice and competition.

In other words, what was the point of nominating Obama?

no other Dem. probably would've/could've done the way he did with such credibility-Speaking to the Muslim world the way he did, making us the most admired country again.

Not that you couldn't have accomplished that and more by just showing a bit of backbone toward Israel. If it turns out that the speech was nothing but words (followed by drone strikes and escalations), expect the Muslim world to turn on us pretty quickly.

And being able to dress himself without assistance.

are equal to him moving his bowels. :eyes:

What did you expect him to do? Veto it?

Congratulations, he's passed the "Better than the last guy who was a functionally retarded fascist" test.


If he'd had to stick his neck out to actually get the legislation, it would be the Lilly Ledbetter Trigger if my Corporate Pals don't Shape Up in Ten Years Act.

My sister, for example, has Smith-Magenis syndrome, and I'm not really a fan of that word. But hey, don't mean to be all word-policey on ya. Just another suggestion.

If Bush's IQ was over 80, I'd be shocked.

Thanks for the consideration. What's funny is my sister, whom you diminish with your words and comparisons shows more warmth, compassion, and generosity of spirit than you ever will. Good luck to you jgraz.

P.S. I know you don't care, no need to respond.

But hey, we all have our definitions of "gross".

I posted speaks volumes about you.

Nothing on there even approaches justifying the HOPEANDCHANGEANDYESWECAN campaign that he ran. Given the opportunities he was presented with, it's an embarrassingly weak set of "accomplishments".

You obviously didn't READ the list.

to see people reaching so far to find something meaningful for this president to claim as an accomplishment.

"Invites gay families to the Easter Egg Roll". Oh Lordy! It's the fucking NEW DEAL and GREAT SOCIETY rolled into ONE! :rofl:

I'm done trying to make you see that Obama has accomplished ANYTHING. I couldn't care less what you think of him. :eyes:

Want to impress me? Point to *one single item* on that list that couldn't have been done by any Democrat who ran in 2008.

And that would be disastrous.

all along and it is always the same old story.

Enjoy life down there.

How much more bottom-feeding can you get?

Or is that just how you choose to interpret it, like anything else Obama. What's with the constant and giant FU to any response? You are at the point where you are sarcastically talking about Obama's bowel movements and disregarding a plea to not use the term "retarded"

You are the one who claimed to have converted your brother from teabaggery, and today you claim it is sad that we must count on the teabaggers. Not to mention you support (obviously) marching with them on healthcare, and joining hands with Grover Norquist as necessary to the downfall of Rahm. You continually chide people for changing the subject, but you don't seem to be able to grasp the subject of maturity, just vile contrarian claptrap.

Kind of hard to pinpoint where you stand when it doesn't appear to be anywhere other than wherever you damn well please at the moment.

:shrug:

Palin is Queen.

of the regular Republicans is something I applaud!

NO room for flexibility. I LIKE it...

but nobody takes those whiners seriously.

Tiny circle-jerk of serial whiners. :boring:

They scream loud, but have no numbers.

Jane Hamsher has joined with Fox News, the Teabaggers, and Grover Norquist in a drive to tear down Obama.

Ok, I can see one reason: insurance company lobbyists who want the mandate to continue. All Gingrich's statement means is that they expect current message discipline to hold and they want to use this as an issue for the next two elections.

How about a 10% at the most bunch of tea bags and mal-contents are the majority to demand that Health Care Bill be repealed. I think this people are so full of s**t, they think that are multiplied by 100.

so you can see where they'd get the idea they represent a majority.

are the armed terrorists with AK-47s aimed at their heads.

Calling for full repeal would be a political loser for the GOP. If, however, 'baggers accept more limited campaign positions--repeal of the individual mandate, in particular--Republicans could position themselves both to clean up with the Kill the Bill vote, and not antagonize those who favor the legislation. But, the House and Senate GOP leadership alike are discredited by complicity in the George W. Bush years, are reviled by the party's base, lack vision and articulacy, and the party has poor leadership at the RNC--so it's in a weak position vis-a-vis the teabaggers if they remain intransigent. Congressional Republicans find themselves in the uncomfortable position of having to hope teabaggers will see the value of keeping their demands reasonable, even though teabaggers revile prudence. No doubt that's part of why Boehner and McConnell always look so gloomy.

Hopefully every Republican candidate in the general will hand us a dozen unambiguous quotes to prove it.

Brought to us by the same people who thought "privatizing social security" would be a great central theme for an election.

It would help their cause if people like Max Pappas, VP of Public Policy
for Freedom Works actually knew how to speak English.

"This has an unusual ability to be repealed", Apparently bills have abilities,
as if they were living creatures. My shoe has the ability of being on my foot.

Bunch of fucking illiterates !!!

Fucking Teagbaggers Have Spoken.