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otohara Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-24-11 12:39 AM
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Lying For The Lord
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Hey, I didn't make this up - it's real in the Mormon religion. Romney has been accused of outright lying in a new TV spot. What better reason to lie for the Mormon cause, than to have POTUS be a Mormon.

"What a thing it is for a man to be accused of committing adultery, and having seven wives, when I can only find one. I am the same man, and as innocent as I was fourteen years ago; and I can prove them all perjurers. I labored with these apostates myself until I was out of all manner of patience." - Joseph Smith <1>

"A half-truth presented as the whole truth is a complete untruth." - J.I. Packer<2>

"Even sharing the truth can have the effect of lying when we tell only half-truths that do not give the full picture. We can also be guilty of bearing false witness and lying if we say nothing, particularly if we allow another to reach a wrong conclusion while we hold back information that would have led to a more accurate perception. In this case it is as though an actual lie were uttered." - Robert J. Matthews<3>

"In matters of honesty, there are no shortcuts; no little white lies, or big black lies, only the simple, honest truth spoken in total candor... Being true is different than being honest.” - Gordon B. Hinckley<4>

Lying for the Lord refers to the practice of lying to protect the image of and belief in the Mormon religion, a practice which Mormonism itself fosters in various ways. From Joseph Smith's denial of having more than one wife, to polygamous Mormon missionaries telling European investigators that reports about polygamy in Utah were lies put out by "anti-Mormons" and disgruntled ex-members, to Gordon B. Hinckley's dishonest equivocation on national television over Mormon doctrine, Mormonism's history seems replete with examples of lying. Common members see such examples as situations where lying is justified. For the Mormon, loyalty and the welfare of the church are more important than the principle of honesty, and plausible denials and deception by omission are warranted by an opportunity to have the Mormon organization seen in the best possible light. This is part of the larger package of things that lead many to describe Mormonism as a cult. "Lying for the lord" is part of Mormonism's larger deceptive mainstreaming tactics, and conversion numbers would drastically lower if important Mormon beliefs were fully disclosed to investigators. http://www.mormonwiki.org/Lying_for_the_Lord

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Skinner ADMIN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-29-11 10:01 AM
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1. These are obviously tough calls to make.
We do not want to broad-brush anyone based on whatever religion they (do or don't) subscribe to. I think I am going to defer to the mods on this one.
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