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Klukie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-01-11 04:25 PM
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The High Cost of Low Teacher Salaries
The High Cost of Low Teacher Salaries
By DAVE EGGERS and NÍNIVE CLEMENTS CALEGARI
Published: April 30, 2011


WHEN we don’t get the results we want in our military endeavors, we don’t blame the soldiers. We don’t say, “It’s these lazy soldiers and their bloated benefits plans! That’s why we haven’t done better in Afghanistan!” No, if the results aren’t there, we blame the planners. We blame the generals, the secretary of defense, the Joint Chiefs of Staff. No one contemplates blaming the men and women fighting every day in the trenches for little pay and scant recognition.

And yet in education we do just that. When we don’t like the way our students score on international standardized tests, we blame the teachers. When we don’t like the way particular schools perform, we blame the teachers and restrict their resources.

Compare this with our approach to our military: when results on the ground are not what we hoped, we think of ways to better support soldiers. We try to give them better tools, better weapons, better protection, better training. And when recruiting is down, we offer incentives.

We have a rare chance now, with many teachers near retirement, to prove we’re serious about education. The first step is to make the teaching profession more attractive to college graduates. This will take some doing.

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/05/01/opinion/01eggers.html
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wordpix Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-01-11 04:29 PM
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1. we should also make teaching more attractive to those who've been in the profession for years
You start around 30K, then over 20-25 yrs. move up to maybe 60K-70K if you're really lucky. Big whoop.

And if you change jobs b/c your principal or headmaster of a private school is a dolt, you're back at square one making maybe $40-45K.

I'd advise my grown kids to stay out of teaching for now.

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tblue37 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-01-11 06:44 PM
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5. And those experienced teachers reach those salary levels
only by continuing to take courses and enhance their education--at their own expense.
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Angry Dragon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-01-11 04:32 PM
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2. +1000 ............. Good post
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yourout Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-01-11 04:53 PM
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3. My oldest son will graduate in two weeks with an elementary education major and a recommendation....
list a mile long and he is thinking about selling insurance because he can make 30% more.

25k a year after 5 years of school is a joke.

To bad because he is great with kids and would be a wonderful teacher.

Scott Walker has done untold damage to the teaching profession in this state.
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spartan61 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-01-11 06:35 PM
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4. Thank you for this post.
I'm a retired elementary teacher. I taught for 32 years and have a Master's Degree in Education. (It's required in the State of Connecticut.) The highest salary I achieved my 32nd year was $50,000. (I retired 5 years ago.) I lived in Northeast CT where the salaries were about $20,000 a year less than the CT towns closer to NY. Teacher's in CT cannot pay into SS but we pay 7% into our pension plus health insurance. If my husband had not paid into SS, I would not have been eligible for Medicare. I think that is now changed because CT teachers now pay into Medicare (not sure how much they have to pay.) The real kicker is that my Medicare is $115.40 per month, as opposed to people who also have SS who pay $96.50 per month. When I asked why mine was more I was told, "It is because your Medicare isn't being deducted from your SS check." Hello, I can't have SS!!

I'm not complaining, though, because I am lucky to have Medicare and wish everyone could be on this single payer plan. We have to make sure we let our Senators and Reps know that we don't want the Ryan Bill, Voucher Care as someone called it on another post. (Love it.) Why should those of us who are lucky enough to be covered not want it for those Americans 55 and under?
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Obamanaut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-01-11 07:15 PM
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6. . nt
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Chris_Texas Donating Member (707 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-01-11 07:57 PM
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7. Teachers make great money
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franzia99 Donating Member (479 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-01-11 08:43 PM
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9. Compared to a 7-eleven clerk maybe, but the pay isn't good for someone with options.
Edited on Sun May-01-11 08:48 PM by franzia99
From the article:

"The average starting salary is $39,000; the average ending salary — after 25 years in the profession — is $67,000."
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rpannier Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-01-11 08:50 PM
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10. Compared to someone with no degree
But when compared to people with similar educational backgrounds their pay sucks
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Goblinmonger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-01-11 09:07 PM
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11. You might want to sell your RW talking points elsewhere.
Please let me know how making 60K with a Master's degree and 25 years of experience is great money compared to the private sector.
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thanks_imjustlurking Donating Member (462 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-02-11 05:46 PM
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12. Do you want to be a teacher? *Are* you a teacher? nt
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franzia99 Donating Member (479 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-01-11 08:41 PM
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8. Amen. I've been saying forever if you want good teachers you have to pay more.
Edited on Sun May-01-11 08:42 PM by franzia99
You're not going to get enough good people willing to take on that kind of stress for what teachers make. There'll be a few martyrs here and there but when it comes down to it people need to earn a living. Shockingly, busting teachers unions isn't the cure all remedy Scott Walker would have you think it is.
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alp227 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-03-11 03:55 PM
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13. PZ Myers' excellent comment about this,
I found this op-ed via his blog:

Right now, the biggest obstacle to a better school system is a creaking, useless mechanism for funding schools that comes right out of the 18th century, and simply doesn't work: the local tax levy. Schools should all be funded at the state level, at least (preferably at the federal level) and the game of bi-yearly begging for pennies on a property tax should end. Instead, though, our government is full of awful, anti-common-sense ninnies who prattle about vouchers and private schools instead, who want to reduce investment in education.
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