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howard112211 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-02-11 02:36 PM
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So, is this celebration a display of solidarity with the 9/11 victims or something else?
I am wondering: How many of those who are celebrating today are people who were directly affected by the attacks? And those who weren't affected, but are celebrating regardless, what is their motivation? Is it solidarity? What if someone who was affected, say, voiced their wish that people not celebrate, would that wish be respected?

I ask because I saw a couple of posts today bashing Cindy Sheehan for making a controversial remark. Ok, she didn't lose her son on 9/11, but in a roundabout way, because of it. Wouldn't this, in some sense, also be "her party", or at least not the right time to make disrespectful remarks towards her? :shrug:

I would like it if the people celebrating would take a pause and honestly ask themselves whether they are celebrating out of solidarity, or because "our team scored a goal".
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TwilightGardener Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-02-11 02:38 PM
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1. I wouldn't command that people cheer and jump up and down.
I wouldn't expect anyone else to tell me how to behave when I hear news that is highly relevant to my country.
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KurtNYC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-02-11 02:40 PM
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2. You can argue with facts but you can't argue with emotion.
I don't see how anyone else is damaged by others celebrating; whatever the reason.
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cherokeeprogressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-02-11 02:43 PM
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3. She called me "stupid" for taking my President at his word that Bin Hidin' was dead.
If she were to ask me not to quietly celebrate the death of a madman who caused the deaths of nearly 3000 people from my country, I'd tell her to go put her head under a pillow if she didn't want to hear celebrations.
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howard112211 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-02-11 02:54 PM
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6. Her son was one of the people who died because of this "madman".
Edited on Mon May-02-11 02:54 PM by howard112211
So you are celebrating for him as well, in some sense, no?
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cherokeeprogressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-02-11 02:55 PM
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7. No.
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reggie the dog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-02-11 03:06 PM
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9. i agree that her choice of words is poor
but we have been lied to so many times by our government that i can also understand where her distrust comes from.

I have nothing against people celebrating this death but I will not take part in such a celebration as celebrating a death seems, to me, to be in poor taste, but i respect that others consider celebrating this death not to be in poor taste and we live in a free country so you can do what you want.

I think bin laden was in on 9-11 but i would like to know who he worked with or for and if anyone in our own government or our any of our own people helped him


I also would not call bin laden a madman, he was very intellegent, knew how to organize an underground army, was successful in resisting the soviet union, and perhaps had legetimate reasons for attacking the usa's symbols of economic and militiristic hegemony. The usa has not really treated the people of muslim countries too well in economic or military terms, often supporting dictators so long as oil or gas flowed. the usa also really didnt help to rebuild afghanistan after the war with the soviets, the usa supports israel with money and weapons and they keep palestine like the warsaw ghetto, so you can say obama had some legit gripes. I see him more as a symbol of hatred for the american EMPIRE than a madman. Having said that i am a pacifist so i dont support the killing of thousands of people.

The usa really needs to do an introspection and find out what it is about the way we conduct ourselves that opens us up to such attacks and to see if there is anything we can do to reduce the willingness to attack us.
taking out bin laden will not end terrorism. the usa needs to examine the reasons why
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DevonRex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-02-11 02:45 PM
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4. Cindy insulted a lot of people.
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tabasco Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-02-11 02:50 PM
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5. Maybe Captain Kirk and the Enterprise will discover some highly advanced civilization on a distant
planet, where they don't celebrate the death of murdering mastermind terrorist pieces of garbage.

Cindy Sheehan is a moonbat and I don't pay attention to what she says.
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RobinA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-02-11 02:59 PM
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8. Nationalism
Our team scored a goal, revenge. Solidarity...not so much.
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reggie the dog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-02-11 03:09 PM
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10. a horrible form of nationalism
nationalism can also be having a strong public health care plan, a strong welfare state, you know, helping the nation. i personally dont celebrate peoples deaths, not reagans, will not celebrate w's death because it seems to morbid to me. i would have prefered bin laden to have been put on trial in a civilian court on 3000 counts of murder. Imagine the testimony he could have given! he worked with the cia since the 70's, was a big time player handing over a billion from our cia to get arms at one point. that guy knew some shit that would make wikileaks seem tame.
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JVS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-02-11 03:12 PM
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11. We always get the shitty end of the nationalism stick here.
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JoePhilly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-02-11 03:31 PM
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12. Do you remember where you were when the attack on 9/11 started?
I do. And I will never forget it.

I was in NC. And we heard the news of the first plane. We found a TV to try and find out what was happening. Saw the second plane crash. One of my co-workers had a brother who worked in the twin tower complex.

As the towers collapsed, she was terrified that her brother might be dead.

She, I, and our coworkers, followed every minute of the events that followed.

A day later, she learned that her brother was safe.

So, you tell me ... was she "effected" (not affected)? Me? Our coworkers?

This was not a "goal" scored in some game.

On 9/11, all of us were attacked.

And we just got some justice.

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MatthewStLouis Donating Member (282 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-02-11 03:45 PM
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13. Not directly affected. Proud of our military, proud of our President, happy that...
the evil mastermind of 9/11 has finally met his fate. What the devil is wrong with that? I'm not drinking champagne or anything. I put out my American flag this morning and I'm very happy for President Obama. Could you imagine the grin on Bush's face if he had caught him? It would have been unbearable. Yuck.

So in short, it's a two-fer. Yes, it's about solidarity and our team. As for Cindy Sheehan, I'm not sure why she's saying what she's saying.





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