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DearAbby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-03-11 07:22 PM
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or ALEX JONES CONSPIRACY Site? Why are people so quick to believe the worst of this President and his actions? To the point of trashing the integrity of United States Special Operations Navy SEALs of a crime?

Let's wait until everyone had been debriefed and the dust has settled. Give the benefit of doubt until proven guilty.
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LiberalLoner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-03-11 07:23 PM
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1. I agree with you 100%. n/t K&R
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Keith Bee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-03-11 09:04 PM
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22. Seconded
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Hassin Bin Sober Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-03-11 07:24 PM
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2. I probably agree with you but who gets to do the debriefing and I'm sure the SEALS can handle it.
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OhioChick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-03-11 07:24 PM
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3. Hear, hear! n/t
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countingbluecars Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-03-11 07:25 PM
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4. K&R!
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JuniperLea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-03-11 07:27 PM
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5. But jumping the shark is so much fun!
NOT!

Yeah, I'm tired of the assumptions and the plain ol' making shit up. Alex Jones must be loving this... how embarrassing.
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SidDithers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-03-11 07:29 PM
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6. Kick and fucking rec!!...
:thumbsup:

Sid
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-03-11 07:31 PM
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quinnox Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-03-11 07:34 PM
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8. DU general discussion
yes, it is. If you don't like some threads you can hit the little X and they will disappear.

Sorry if some threads disturb you....
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Amonester Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-03-11 07:40 PM
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13. Ah! I forgot that x thingy! Thanks for the reminder! :-)+ K & R
Here we go! (click - click - click - click - click - click....

:loveya:
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seabeyond Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-03-11 07:37 PM
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9. people are working so damn hard to create/fabricate the very worst they can
of obama.

it goes beyond a disappointment in the man or his presidency.
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DearAbby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-03-11 07:39 PM
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12. Oh no doubt,
some of Obama's decisions I have disagreed with, but this is beyond that. This is creating stories out of the fertile fecal fields, this is much much more.
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seabeyond Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-03-11 07:44 PM
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14. yup, exactly. nt
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Solomon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-03-11 09:48 PM
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28. The world over here is infected with Obama Derangement
syndrome. What I find most peculiar about it is, the more spectacular the success of an Obama undertaking, the more the derangement. Makes sense though, if you're suspicious of the man. His position is that he can't win anything. If he doesn't get something, then he's a weak, gutless, turncoat, if he does, then there's always something wrong with what he did. There's simply no way to win.
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BzaDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-03-11 10:01 PM
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36. Exactly. +1. n/t
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seabeyond Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-03-11 10:51 PM
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43. right on. nt
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Canuckistanian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-03-11 07:37 PM
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10. I'm willing to give the Navy Seals the benefit of the doubt
Extra-judicial execution is a serious charge.
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Leopolds Ghost Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-03-11 08:46 PM
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18. It's not extra-judicial if that was the mission. Panetta said the mission was kill not capture j/s
Edited on Tue May-03-11 08:49 PM by Leopolds Ghost
Just Saying.
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Canuckistanian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-03-11 09:03 PM
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21. I don't give a fig what the "mission" was
This was an extra-judicial killing on foreign soil. It had ZERO authorization from the host country. ZERO authorization from bin Laden's home country. No trial. No sentence.

Would you like it if some foreign gov't infiltrated YOUR country to kill THEIR enemy without telling you?
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Leopolds Ghost Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-03-11 09:39 PM
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26. I didn't say it's what should have been done, I think its telling that nobody in US wanted him alive
But we now want his wife and kid for questioning to "find out what al Qaeda is up to", according to Panetta.
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Canuckistanian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-03-11 09:50 PM
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30. I hear you
Sorry for the rant.

I didn't know his wife and kids were left behind. Now that Pakistan seems to have them, they won't give them up - just for spite.
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BzaDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-03-11 09:49 PM
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29. Who gives a rat's ass whether it had any authorization from the host country?
Edited on Tue May-03-11 09:55 PM by BzaDem
Seriously?

"Would you like it if some foreign gov't infiltrated YOUR country to kill THEIR enemy without telling you?"

If I lived in a different country who was harboring an admitted-and-proud most-wanted terrorist, and my country's intelligence service would have taken any notification and used it to further harbor the terrorist to save him, I would congratulate the country that took him out. I'm not sure where you get the idea that we are somehow obligated to give the host country information so they can use it to get the terrorist out of there.

I am quite happy you (and those with similar views) will never be running things.
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DevonRex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-03-11 07:38 PM
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11. Right on!
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dionysus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-04-11 11:24 AM
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55. Obama getting osama has caused a record number of diaper fills.
my pampers stock is soaring.
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patrice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-03-11 08:40 PM
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15. Why? There's a bunch of people who are authentic mixed with a bunch of people who are triangulating
what are probably going to be very narrow margins, for their own benefit, no matter what that does to those who have already been hurt the most by what "we" are.
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Luminous Animal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-03-11 08:44 PM
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16. If the admin wanted the public to have access to correct information they shouldn't have
staged a press conference with John Brennan and let him flap his jaws with half-truths.

Are you going to tell me that we shouldn't have believed him?
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seabeyond Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-03-11 09:06 PM
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24. so because of that anything goes? not like we can be adult and realize it is an EVOLVING story?
to complicated for us? much simpler to contrive really complex conxpiracy theories?
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Luminous Animal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-03-11 10:15 PM
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37. Quite simply, the admin and Brennan could have said, "this is an evolving story...
and we prefer not to speculate."

Instead, they allowed Brennan to espouse unverified info and the U.S. press lapped it up. Brennan's press conference is a joke, he starts off making bold assertions about firefights and human shields and only starts equivocating upon further questioning. He knew what he was saying was not the whole truth when he said it. That is what propagandists do.


http://www.shallownation.com/2011/05/02/white-house-press-conference-video-transcript-may-2-2011-osama-bin-laden-death/
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BzaDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-03-11 10:18 PM
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39. They could have. They didn't. That doesn't justify the BS conspiracy theorist garbage that is being
posted here.
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seabeyond Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-03-11 10:53 PM
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44. they have said it. and it is clearly on the whitehouse website that has info. if you are seriously
looking ot be informed and not out for a gotcha moment, i think the littlest of effort to look at their website would make it clear for you
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Luminous Animal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-03-11 11:09 PM
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45. Why yes! Brannan's press conference IS on the Whitehouse website.
http://www.whitehouse.gov/the-press-office/2011/05/02/press-briefing-press-secretary-jay-carney-and-assistant-president-homela

It was during this briefing (the 1st live briefing after the event) that he said this:

"Thinking about that from a visual perspective, here is bin Laden, who has been calling for these attacks, living in this million dollar-plus compound, living in an area that is far removed from the front, hiding behind women who were put in front of him as a shield."

And this:

"The concern was that bin Laden would oppose any type of capture operation. Indeed, he did. It was a firefight. He, therefore, was killed in that firefight and that’s when the remains were removed."

And this:

" Q You said that Osama bin Laden was actually involved in the firefight, and we had -- it has been reported that he reached for a weapon. Did he get his hand on a gun and did he fire himself?

MR. BRENNAN: He was engaged in a firefight with those that entered the area of the house he was in. And whether or not he got off any rounds, I quite frankly don’t know."
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seabeyond Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-04-11 11:03 AM
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49. oh YEA. we have a president with enough integrity to come out immediately
and correct wht his people say wrong.

good job, mr president
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Solomon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-04-11 11:20 AM
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51. That's the point. I didn't hear Obama say one thing during his
announcement that he has to backtrack on. It was somebody else who said these things. And when they did, he immediately corrected it. Unlike the previous administration which let mischaracterizations linger for months and months.
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seabeyond Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-04-11 11:22 AM
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53. that is why i dont get this. why i think it is beyond any the reality. obama should be applauded
people are acting really off on this. not logical or reasonable thinking.

tells me something else is up
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FLPanhandle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-03-11 08:45 PM
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17. Hopefully, all these bullshit conspiracy theories will slow down
Then the remaining ones can be thrown into the 9/11 dungeon with all the loons.
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Leopolds Ghost Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-03-11 08:47 PM
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19. What conspiracy theories? The loons who thought we'd find OBL kickin' it in a Pakistani mansion?
Edited on Tue May-03-11 08:48 PM by Leopolds Ghost
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BzaDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-03-11 09:57 PM
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34. No. n/t
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spanone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-03-11 09:01 PM
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20. if it's like that in here, imagine the world out there times a gazillion
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The Straight Story Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-03-11 09:06 PM
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23. You should have seen the stuff here when bush was prez
I think speculation by us employers of how employees have done their job is nothing new - and we would have a lot less to ponder/guess/gossip about if we had more (and more accurate) info from the get go.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-03-11 09:17 PM
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25. JSOC was made into a hit team for the executive by Cheney and Rumsfeld.
They are not boy scouts. And since they aren't accountable to anyone, we don't know what they do or anything about its legality. That's not a theory. That's a fact.


This is a pretty good article by Jeremy Scahill who has been reporting on them for a long time.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/thenation/20110502/cm_thenation/160332
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Leopolds Ghost Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-03-11 09:41 PM
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27. Brian Williams is asking (sourly) why we didn't use JSOC to hit Saddam & Ghadafi
And thereby "prevent the deaths of so many", according to his Panetta interview.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-03-11 09:52 PM
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31. What an idiot.
Btw, JSOC is running one of the two drone operations into Pakistan. CIA runs the parallel one.

This OP is ironic because of all the units in the military, JSOC is probably the one most likely to engage in extra legal activity.
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MadHound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-03-11 09:54 PM
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32. Why the rush to squach people,
Why the rush to discredit and demean people who aren't toeing the party line, who are beating their chest with bloodlust, participating in the approved party two minute hate?

Oh, right, never mind.
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BzaDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-03-11 09:56 PM
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33. Perhaps for the same reason most rational people on DU move to discredit the birthers?
Or people who believe global warming is a fabrication?

Or people who believe we never landed on the moon?

:shrug:
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-03-11 10:17 PM
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Cali_Democrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-03-11 09:57 PM
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35. "Give the benefit of doubt until proven guilty"
Using your logic, Bin Laden should have also been given the benefit of the doubt until proven guilty.
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Luminous Animal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-03-11 10:18 PM
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40. That is commonly recognized as the U.S. system of justice which is clearly
explained in our Constitution.

Individuals, of course, are not constrained from being their own personal judge and jury.
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AtomicKitten Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-03-11 10:20 PM
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41. I first read the deather theory here. Seems like pretty standard fare for GD.
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madinmaryland Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-03-11 10:37 PM
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42. Welcome to DU...


:D
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Scurrilous Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-04-11 10:58 AM
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46. K & R
:thumbsup:
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cliffordu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-04-11 11:01 AM
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47. There are plenty of poeple here who actually believe WORSE things than
the freepers do.

Amaziing

K&R
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meow mix Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-04-11 11:01 AM
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48. K&R Duers that pursue this course are fucking sick.
sad fucks
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mfcorey1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-04-11 11:20 AM
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50. Thank you! Always in the abyss there is a voice of reason. nt
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dionysus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-04-11 11:21 AM
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52. it's the same peopelthat complain about his choice of breakfast cereal.
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WilliamPitt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-04-11 11:23 AM
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54. Yes.
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