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Ineeda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-06-11 07:28 AM
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Posing a provactive question.
I'm making some assumptions here and posing a question. I think we agree that most of us despise GWB. I think we agree that GWB started an illegal war based on lies, killing many thousands of innocents, and that he deliberately dropped the ball on OBL, probably to keep the war(s) going. I think we agree that, in addition, GWB committed innumerable atrocities such as torture, not to mention his assault on our Constitution and global financial security. I think we agree, and there is much international agreement here, that GWB, et al, are war criminals. I think we agree that we're glad that OBL is gone, but with some conflict about whether or not he could/should have been captured and tried rather than killed. That conflict aside, I think we agree that President Obama made the right decision to go after OBL and that the Seals performed their assignment incredibly well.

So here's my question: what if another country sent their equivalent of Seals into a Dallas suburb and took out GWB (or Rumsfield or Cheney) by either capture or killing? How would the US, both the government and populace, feel and react? How would the international community react? How would you feel? I'm conflicted.
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Shagbark Hickory Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-06-11 07:36 AM
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1. +! but too early to formulate an opinion.
:popcorn:
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RegieRocker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-06-11 07:38 AM
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2. About the same way as they did with J.F.K.
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seabeyond Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-06-11 07:41 AM
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3. i am a action/reaction kinda person. karma, tit for tat. i see what you are saying
but they are not the same in many ways

the bottom line, purposely kill innocence is one of them.

and i am not going back and forth in argument on this. just not an important enough issue with me.

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OwnedByFerrets Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-06-11 07:48 AM
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4. Most of the flag wavers do NOT want to even think of this issue
much less give an answer.
Its similar to the question that I often pose. We harbor people in America that China deems as terrorists. What would be the reaction of most americans if China was sending drones to take out those Chinese "terrorists" in Miami or Cleveland? It's absolutely no different than what we have been doing for years in other countries. It's just that we americans look at things through OUR lenses, which are skewed.
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Poll_Blind Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-06-11 08:02 AM
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7. +1
PB
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bobbolink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-06-11 08:46 PM
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12. Very well said. Its time we put the shoe on the other foot.
But, sadly, we aren't very good at that.

With all sorts of issues.
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patricia92243 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-06-11 07:53 AM
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5. They did on 9/11.
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Poll_Blind Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-06-11 08:00 AM
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6. You compare Bush's safety to those of civilians on 9/11? Terrible analogy.
Unless that's how you really see it...


PB
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Ineeda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-06-11 08:02 AM
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8. your post
is irrelevant to my specific questions/scenario. Care to give it more thought?
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amyrose2712 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-06-11 08:07 AM
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9. +1
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valerief Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-06-11 09:05 AM
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10. Hell, any group/country who would do that is okay in my book.
Does the end always justify the means? Who cares about 'always'? People needs jobs now!

Right now, given our corrupt judicial system and corrupt legislators and corrupt military who serves them, the only way justice can be served to those war criminals is for them to be taken out "illegally". I'm not in favor of vigilante justice, but when there's no other alternative, well, you embrace your only option. They can take add some Supreme Court justices to their 'justice list', too. I don't care if they're taken out dead or alive. I just want them taken out.

I know there's no savior who'll do that. The gazillionaires who run the world profit too much from U.S. law and what gets enforced and what doesn't. Still, it's a nice dream, that 'justice' thing. Hollywood has conditioned us to think it might be a real concept, but it isn't. Most of the world suffers in agony under the tyranny of a small group of people and their military force.
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OwnedByFerrets Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-06-11 08:41 PM
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11. So, you have NO problem with vigilante justice....
even when carried out by another country in America?
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Gravel Democrat Donating Member (598 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-06-11 08:55 PM
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13. ^^^ excellent and provocative
Edited on Fri May-06-11 08:58 PM by Gravel Democrat
I'm pretty sure of this:

If Dumbya said a team flew in to OBLs compound at night,
Said they shot him (after a few go-rounds of oopsie)
Put him on a helicopter and flew him 749 miles to the Sea
and dumped him (to be respectful to Muslim law ya know)

and there was not a single picture or interview with anyone involved

only the conspiracy wackos here here would even begin to question it.

Yup. That's what I think. (cough)



Acta est fabula, plaudite!

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