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sinkingfeeling (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-06-11 11:12 AM Original message |
Texas boy, 4, fatally shot by 5-year-old sibling |
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cleanhippie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-06-11 11:12 AM Response to Original message |
1. Ban poor parenting. |
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fascisthunter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-06-11 11:14 AM Response to Original message |
2. very irresponsible |
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patrice (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-06-11 11:18 AM Response to Original message |
3. Most of us are trying to understand gun advocates, but they are their own worst enemies. |
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cleanhippie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-06-11 11:22 AM Response to Reply #3 |
5. No one says it doesn't matter. |
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sinkingfeeling (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-06-11 11:37 AM Response to Reply #5 |
7. Would you say that 'doesn't matter' equals 'not important'? |
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cleanhippie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-06-11 02:47 PM Response to Reply #7 |
23. It depends on what we are talking about. |
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Missy Vixen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-06-11 02:00 PM Response to Reply #5 |
18. All gun fatalities are "irrelevant" to certain parties, aren't they? |
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cleanhippie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-06-11 02:45 PM Response to Reply #18 |
22. True, but in the context of the bigger issue, it is quite irrelevant. |
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LanternWaste (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-06-11 03:11 PM Response to Reply #22 |
40. One death is a tragedy. One million deaths is a statistic. |
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cleanhippie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-06-11 03:13 PM Response to Reply #40 |
45. So you are quoting Stalin? |
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jpak (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-06-11 07:38 PM Response to Reply #5 |
69. They accept thousands of gun deaths each year as the price to pay for "freedom" |
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dionysus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-06-11 12:40 PM Response to Reply #3 |
11. i'm not that big into guns, but to be fair, you don't hear a lot about the responsible owners, |
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cleanhippie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-06-11 02:48 PM Response to Reply #11 |
24. For "allowing someone to be killed"? |
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dionysus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-06-11 03:05 PM Response to Reply #24 |
36. if you want to pick nits. if you're cleaning your gun and it was loaded and you accidentally shot |
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cleanhippie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-06-11 03:12 PM Response to Reply #36 |
42. It not nitpicking, there is a huge difference. |
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hack89 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-06-11 01:43 PM Response to Reply #3 |
17. It matters - it is simply that it is very rare |
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cleanhippie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-06-11 02:48 PM Response to Reply #17 |
25. Exactly. |
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sinkingfeeling (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-06-11 03:00 PM Response to Reply #17 |
33. One every 2 hours and 45 minutes isn't 'very rare' in my view. |
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hack89 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-06-11 03:10 PM Response to Reply #33 |
39. There is a major flaw with those figures |
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sinkingfeeling (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-06-11 03:23 PM Response to Reply #39 |
47. How does that make a difference? Dead is dead. |
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hack89 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-06-11 03:26 PM Response to Reply #47 |
49. I guess so |
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sinkingfeeling (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-06-11 03:37 PM Response to Reply #49 |
51. One child, under the age of 18, is killed by a gun shot every 2 hours and 45 minutes. That's fact. |
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Missy Vixen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-06-11 04:08 PM Response to Reply #51 |
54. Not to the NRA |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-06-11 04:39 PM Response to Reply #54 |
58. Deleted message |
Maru Kitteh (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-07-11 02:55 PM Response to Reply #54 |
82. Couldn't agree with you more. Greedy theives with tiny dicks and massive compensation issues. |
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hack89 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-06-11 04:32 PM Response to Reply #51 |
55. Some of which were killed participating in criminal activities - thats a fact too. nt |
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cleanhippie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-06-11 04:52 PM Response to Reply #51 |
62. Bwahahahahaha! |
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Missy Vixen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-06-11 04:06 PM Response to Reply #49 |
53. What about my civil right to remain alive? |
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hack89 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-06-11 04:36 PM Response to Reply #53 |
56. There is no such right |
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Missy Vixen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-06-11 06:07 PM Response to Reply #56 |
66. That whole "life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness" isn't the |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-06-11 09:53 PM Response to Reply #66 |
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hack89 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-07-11 02:53 PM Response to Reply #66 |
81. Enumerated rights are one thing |
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TorchTheWitch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-06-11 04:38 PM Response to Reply #39 |
57. take away the reasons to kill??? |
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hack89 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-06-11 04:41 PM Response to Reply #57 |
59. So what is it about our present culture that has driven gun violence to historic lows? |
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Marrah_G (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-06-11 11:22 AM Original message |
How does one live with themselves after causing the death of their child |
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MountainLaurel (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-06-11 03:25 PM Response to Original message |
48. They move the blame to someone else |
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valerief (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-06-11 11:22 AM Response to Original message |
4. Guns don't kill people. Rifles kill people. nt |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-06-11 11:22 AM Response to Reply #4 |
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Obamanaut (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-06-11 01:12 PM Response to Reply #4 |
13. Spoons make people fat. nt |
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LanternWaste (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-06-11 03:12 PM Response to Reply #13 |
43. And anonymity behind keyboard make people type stupid things. nt |
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Obamanaut (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-06-11 06:03 PM Response to Reply #43 |
65. And typing something twice gives it more emphasis. |
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w8liftinglady (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-06-11 11:41 AM Response to Original message |
8. unfortunately,gun fatalities by children in Texas are almost commonplace. |
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hack89 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-06-11 01:39 PM Response to Reply #8 |
16. Accidental gun death is very rare - drownings are an order of magnitude greater |
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w8liftinglady (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-06-11 02:51 PM Response to Reply #16 |
30. I've taken care of both... dead kids from GSW and Drownings |
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Arugula Latte (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-06-11 11:41 AM Response to Original message |
9. Sad but predictable |
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cleanhippie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-06-11 02:49 PM Response to Reply #9 |
27. Wow, how more wrong could you be? |
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Arugula Latte (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-06-11 02:50 PM Response to Reply #27 |
28. Um, yeah, this is a gun nut country and there are a buttload of guns everywhere |
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cleanhippie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-06-11 03:00 PM Response to Reply #28 |
32. So, no, you cannot. |
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hack89 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-06-11 03:13 PM Response to Reply #28 |
44. Gun deaths are at historic lows and still declining |
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Arugula Latte (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-07-11 02:02 PM Response to Reply #44 |
77. I'm sure that makes the dead kids feel much better. |
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hack89 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-07-11 02:47 PM Response to Reply #77 |
80. Stupid argument |
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ParkieDem (417 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-06-11 12:35 PM Response to Original message |
10. This is tragic. |
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LeftinOH (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-06-11 01:02 PM Response to Original message |
12. A better headline: "Careless parents allow children to play with firearms." |
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malaise (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-06-11 01:19 PM Response to Reply #12 |
14. No - a child killed another child because of |
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apocalypsehow (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-06-11 01:22 PM Response to Original message |
15. And yet another "enthusiast" leaves one of his lethal little toys laying around, and another dead |
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ManiacJoe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-06-11 02:14 PM Response to Reply #15 |
20. Usually it is for the same reasons that |
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apocalypsehow (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-06-11 03:02 PM Response to Reply #20 |
35. Funny, though, that that "tool" turns out time & time & endless time again to be a gun... |
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hack89 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-07-11 09:43 AM Response to Reply #35 |
75. Houshold poisons kill more kids than guns |
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apocalypsehow (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-07-11 02:18 PM Response to Reply #75 |
78. "It has nothing to do with guns" - Wrong. It has everything to do with irresponsible "enthusiasts" |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-07-11 02:46 PM Response to Reply #78 |
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apocalypsehow (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-07-11 03:02 PM Response to Reply #79 |
83. "your hysteria...your fantasy" - My,my. For someone so seemingly unconcerned about ongoing access to |
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hack89 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-07-11 03:18 PM Response to Reply #83 |
84. So the issue is not really the number of deaths, is it? |
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apocalypsehow (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-07-11 03:26 PM Response to Reply #84 |
85. The issue is a dead four year old, and the irresponsible "enthusiast" whose gross negligence made |
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hack89 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-07-11 03:30 PM Response to Reply #85 |
86. You are trying a little too hard |
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apocalypsehow (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-07-11 03:38 PM Response to Reply #86 |
87. You are trying very hard to avoid talking about the subject of the OP: that dead four year old boy. |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-07-11 04:09 PM Response to Reply #87 |
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cleanhippie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-06-11 02:50 PM Response to Reply #15 |
29. Why? Because it simply isn't true. |
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apocalypsehow (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-06-11 02:57 PM Response to Reply #29 |
31. My "statement" is a spot-on presentation of fact - as a certain four year old child could no doubt |
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cleanhippie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-06-11 03:02 PM Response to Reply #31 |
34. Oh, I see. Since when did one event a broadbrush it make? |
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apocalypsehow (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-06-11 03:06 PM Response to Reply #34 |
37. The facts as presented in the article bear out my assertion - when you got some counter-facts |
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cleanhippie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-06-11 03:08 PM Response to Reply #37 |
38. Here ya go. Say goodbye to ignorance. |
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apocalypsehow (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-06-11 03:15 PM Response to Reply #38 |
46. Which is quite relevant to...nothing, actually, in the context of this story. But nice dodge. n/t. |
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cleanhippie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-06-11 04:00 PM Response to Reply #46 |
52. Its VERY relevant, considering it is in response to YOUR post, not the OP. But nice dodge. |
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apocalypsehow (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-06-11 06:12 PM Response to Reply #52 |
67. Simply repeating something that is demonstrably untrue does not magically make it so. n/t. |
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cleanhippie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-07-11 09:34 AM Response to Reply #67 |
74. So why do you keep repeating it? |
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apocalypsehow (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-07-11 01:58 PM Response to Reply #74 |
76. That's question is best answered by the poster doing it - namely, cleanhippie. n/t. |
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cleanhippie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-07-11 04:02 PM Response to Reply #76 |
88. Ahhh, the "I know you are but what am I" defense. Well played. |
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apocalypsehow (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-07-11 10:11 PM Response to Reply #88 |
90. Not quite. More like the "why do you keep repeating things that are demonstrably false?" observation |
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cleanhippie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-08-11 01:47 AM Response to Reply #90 |
91. Your welcome. I do like to give generously to children. |
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apocalypsehow (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-08-11 05:07 PM Response to Reply #91 |
92. And we wrap the entire matter up with a pedestrian personal attack. Textbook. n/t. |
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cleanhippie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-08-11 06:43 PM Response to Reply #92 |
93. Bullshit. You opened that door |
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apocalypsehow (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-08-11 10:30 PM Response to Reply #93 |
94. Nonsense, of course: "#76" opened no "doors" other than the one that apparently leads you to believe |
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cleanhippie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-08-11 11:10 PM Response to Reply #94 |
95. You tell yourself whatever you need to in order to make yourself feel better. |
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apocalypsehow (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-08-11 11:44 PM Response to Reply #95 |
96. "I could care less anymore" - Of course. Once you foundered on the facts of the "debate"*, you first |
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LLStarks (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-06-11 02:01 PM Response to Original message |
19. In a perfect world, people would be responsible gun owners. We do not live in a perfect world. nt |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-06-11 02:24 PM Response to Original message |
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Ikonoklast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-06-11 02:48 PM Response to Original message |
26. What type of imbecilic parent would leave a loaded weapon of any type around small children? |
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apocalypsehow (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-06-11 03:12 PM Response to Reply #26 |
41. The same kind who quiver in fear at the thought of visiting the local 7-Eleven without an arsenal of |
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xchrom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-06-11 04:50 PM Response to Reply #41 |
60. +1 |
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Kingofalldems (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-06-11 03:31 PM Response to Original message |
50. What would be wrong with requiring gun buyers to; |
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cleanhippie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-06-11 04:52 PM Response to Reply #50 |
61. Nothing; |
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Paladin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-06-11 05:03 PM Response to Reply #61 |
63. Next Time An Election Ballot Is Used To Kill A Child..... |
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cleanhippie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-06-11 05:25 PM Response to Reply #63 |
64. Its done everytime someone votes republican. |
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Kingofalldems (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-06-11 07:35 PM Response to Reply #61 |
68. People don't die voting |
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dddem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-06-11 08:02 PM Response to Reply #61 |
71. Voters should also be required to get off their lazy butts and actually vote! |
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Canuckistanian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-06-11 07:40 PM Response to Original message |
70. Aw, that's sweet. Another potential SEAL |
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Obamanaut (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-06-11 08:09 PM Response to Reply #70 |
72. "Killed" is too harsh. "Euthanized" fits. |
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