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G_j Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-06-11 12:14 PM
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The Unjustifiable Defense of Torture and Guantánamo
http://www.commondreams.org/view/2011/05/06-2

Published on Friday, May 6, 2011 by CommonDreams.org

The Unjustifiable Defense of Torture and Guantánamo
by Andy Worthington

With the reported assassination of Osama bin Laden, one of the most alarming responses has been a kind of casual and widespread acceptance that the death of America’s number one bogeyman would not have been achieved without the use of torture, and without the existence of Guantánamo.
This is wrong on both fronts, as Jane Mayer of the New Yorker explained in response to an early manifestation of the story, put out by torture apologists Liz Cheney and Bill Kristol:

It may have taken nearly a decade to find and kill Osama bin Laden, but it took less than twenty-four hours for torture apologists to claim credit for his downfall.

Keep America Safe, an organization run by former Vice President Dick Cheney’s daughter Liz Cheney and Bill Kristol, released a victory statement today that entirely failed to mention President Obama, but lavishly credited “the men and women of America’s intelligence services who, through their interrogation of high-value detainees, developed the information that apparently led us to bin Laden.”

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Swede Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-06-11 12:16 PM
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1. delete
Edited on Fri May-06-11 12:17 PM by Swede
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fascisthunter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-06-11 12:17 PM
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2. people who justify it could be sociopaths
regardless, they should be marginalized and ridiculed.
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WinkyDink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-06-11 12:19 PM
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4. I think they should experience more than that, frankly.
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RaleighNCDUer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-06-11 12:18 PM
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3. We know, that for them, it is not that the ends justify the means -
for them, the means IS the ends, and it would make no difference to them in bin Laden had been caught or not, so long as they established the 'principle' of using torture.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-06-11 12:27 PM
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5. K&R. Btw, there's a link to his recent interview on KPFK here:
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G_j Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-07-11 11:08 AM
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8. great find
thank you! :hi:
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coalition_unwilling Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-06-11 12:30 PM
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6. Torture is as American as cherry pie (with apologies to H. Rap Brown) - n/t
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DearAbby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-06-11 12:46 PM
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7. All it proved was
THEY ASKED THE WRONG QUESTIONS, they were so trying to prove Saddam was somehow responsible for 911, or had something, anything to do with it, they missed the key intelligence to go after Osama Bin laden (Real mission)? To the point of torturing a human being 184 times.

Torture is illegal. Period, end of sentence. There is no justification.
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