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Generic Other Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-08-11 12:13 PM
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Japanese Premier Reaffirms Nuclear Energy Use



TOKYO — Japan remains committed to nuclear power despite the continuing crisis at the Fukushima Daiichi nuclear plant, Prime Minister Naoto Kan said Sunday, as workers moved closer to repairing the crippled plant by opening the doors of a damaged reactor building.

Opening the doors of Unit 1 is intended to air out the reactor building, ensuring that radiation levels are low enough to allow workers to enter. The plant’s operator, the Tokyo Electric Power Company, said the procedure would release little radiation into the atmosphere because an air filtering system installed last week has already removed most of the dangerous particles.

After the doors sit open for eight hours, workers will go inside to begin replacing the reactor’s cooling system, which was destroyed by a huge tsunami two months ago.

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Despite the accident, Mr. Kan indicated Sunday that his government was not rethinking Japan’s energy policy. There had been speculation that the government might shut down more nuclear plants after Mr. Kan requested last week the temporary shut down of the Hamaoka nuclear plant in central Japan, because of safety concerns.

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/05/09/world/asia/09japan.html?_r=1&partner=rss&emc=rss&src=ig
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kristopher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-08-11 12:51 PM
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1. Current leadership might not be rethinking energy policy but you can bet that the people are...
And in spite of the way the public often follows the lead of the bureaucratic establishment, this issue is far from having been decided. What we have now are positions being offered up in the upcoming attempt to find a consensus. That process is a very long, drawn out one and I'm estimating it will be about 2 years before the energy path for Japan is once more clearly defined in everyone's mind.

I'm also of the opinion that it will not go well for nuclear.
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LAGC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-08-11 01:00 PM
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2. Well, the problem is...
Even when a majority of the population doesn't like new nuclear, they do like their lights turning on when they flick a switch, hot showers, and having their houses heated and air conditioned.

Until that changes, someone has to make the hard choices as to what kind of new power plants get erected.

The leaders don't have the luxury of being as myopic and close-minded as the ignorant masses can be at times, so they have to make the hard decisions so that everyone still gets the energy they rely on, without interruption.
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kristopher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-08-11 01:58 PM
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4. Thank you for sharing fission industry prepared propaganda.
The idea that it is either take the risks of fission reactors or everyone has to do without power is an absurd claim by an industry trying to protect itself from oblivion - it is false.

Not only are the alternatives abundant in Japan, but after Fukushima many of previously hidden costs of following corporatist policies designed for a bygone era of global economic expansion are becoming obvious to all those "ignorant masses" you sneer a. That collective knowledge base is only going to increase as the debate and discussions continue.

You see, what you are glossing over is that Japan actually does work by consensus, and those people who have decided that nuclear isn't worth it are not going to be ignored.

As originally published:
Abstract

This paper reviews and ranks major proposed energy-related solutions to global warming, air pollution mortality, and energy security while considering other impacts of the proposed solutions, such as on water supply, land use, wildlife, resource availability, thermal pollution, water chemical pollution, nuclear proliferation, and undernutrition. Nine electric power sources and two liquid fuel options are considered. The electricity sources include solar-photovoltaics (PV), concentrated solar power (CSP), wind, geothermal, hydroelectric, wave, tidal, nuclear, and coal with carbon capture and storage (CCS) technology. The liquid fuel options include corn-ethanol (E85) and cellulosic-E85. To place the electric and liquid fuel sources on an equal footing, we examine their comparative abilities to address the problems mentioned by powering new-technology vehicles, including battery-electric vehicles (BEVs), hydrogen fuel cell vehicles (HFCVs), and flex-fuel vehicles run on E85. Twelve combinations of energy source-vehicle type are considered. Upon ranking and weighting each combination with respect to each of 11 impact categories, four clear divisions of ranking, or tiers, emerge. Tier 1 (highest-ranked) includes wind-BEVs and wind-HFCVs. Tier 2 includes CSP-BEVs, geothermal-BEVs, PV-BEVs, tidal-BEVs, and wave-BEVs. Tier 3 includes hydro-BEVs, nuclear-BEVs, and CCS-BEVs. Tier 4 includes corn- and cellulosic-E85. Wind-BEVs ranked first in seven out of 11 categories, including the two most important, mortality and climate damage reduction. Although HFCVs are much less efficient than BEVs, wind-HFCVs are still very clean and were ranked second among all combinations. Tier 2 options provide significant benefits and are recommended. Tier 3 options are less desirable. However, hydroelectricity, which was ranked ahead of coal-CCS and nuclear with respect to climate and health, is an excellent load balancer, thus recommended. The Tier 4 combinations (cellulosic- and corn-E85) were ranked lowest overall and with respect to climate, air pollution, land use, wildlife damage, and chemical waste. Cellulosic-E85 ranked lower than corn-E85 overall, primarily due to its potentially larger land footprint based on new data and its higher upstream air pollution emissions than corn-E85. Whereas cellulosic-E85 may cause the greatest average human mortality, nuclear-BEVs cause the greatest upper-limit mortality risk due to the expansion of plutonium separation and uranium enrichment in nuclear energy facilities worldwide. Wind-BEVs and CSP-BEVs cause the least mortality. The footprint area of wind-BEVs is 2–6 orders of magnitude less than that of any other option. Because of their low footprint and pollution, wind-BEVs cause the least wildlife loss. The largest consumer of water is corn-E85. The smallest are wind-, tidal-, and wave-BEVs. The US could theoretically replace all 2007 onroad vehicles with BEVs powered by 73 000–144 000 5 MW wind turbines, less than the 300 000 airplanes the US produced during World War II, reducing US CO2 by 32.5–32.7% and nearly eliminating 15 000/yr vehicle-related air pollution deaths in 2020. In sum, use of wind, CSP, geothermal, tidal, PV, wave, and hydro to provide electricity for BEVs and HFCVs and, by extension, electricity for the residential, industrial, and commercial sectors, will result in the most benefit among the options considered. The combination of these technologies should be advanced as a solution to global warming, air pollution, and energy security. Coal-CCS and nuclear offer less benefit thus represent an opportunity cost loss, and the biofuel options provide no certain benefit and the greatest negative impacts.



Above single paragraph broken apart for ease of reading:
You can download the full article at his webpage here: http://www.stanford.edu/group/efmh/jacobson/Articles/I/revsolglobwarmairpol.htm

Or use this direct download link: http://www.stanford.edu/group/efmh/jacobson/Articles/I/ReviewSolGW09.pdf

You can view the html abstract here: http://www.rsc.org/publishing/journals/EE/article.asp?doi=b809990c

Download slide presentation here: http://www.stanford.edu/group/efmh/jacobson/Articles/I/0902UIllinois.pdf

Results graphed here: http://pubs.rsc.org/services/images/RSCpubs.ePlatform.Service.FreeContent.ImageService.svc/ImageService/image/GA?id=B809990C

Energy Environ. Sci., 2009, 2, 148 - 173, DOI: 10.1039/b809990c

Review of solutions to global warming, air pollution, and energy security

Mark Z. Jacobson

Abstract
This paper reviews and ranks major proposed energy-related solutions to global warming, air pollution mortality, and energy security while considering other impacts of the proposed solutions, such as on water supply, land use, wildlife, resource availability, thermal pollution, water chemical pollution, nuclear proliferation, and undernutrition.

Nine electric power sources and two liquid fuel options are considered. The electricity sources include solar-photovoltaics (PV), concentrated solar power (CSP), wind, geothermal, hydroelectric, wave, tidal, nuclear, and coal with carbon capture and storage (CCS) technology. The liquid fuel options include corn-ethanol (E85) and cellulosic-E85. To place the electric and liquid fuel sources on an equal footing, we examine their comparative abilities to address the problems mentioned by powering new-technology vehicles, including battery-electric vehicles (BEVs), hydrogen fuel cell vehicles (HFCVs), and flex-fuel vehicles run on E85.

Twelve combinations of energy source-vehicle type are considered. Upon ranking and weighting each combination with respect to each of 11 impact categories, four clear divisions of ranking, or tiers, emerge.

Tier 1 (highest-ranked) includes wind-BEVs and wind-HFCVs.
Tier 2 includes CSP-BEVs, geothermal-BEVs, PV-BEVs, tidal-BEVs, and wave-BEVs.
Tier 3 includes hydro-BEVs, nuclear-BEVs, and CCS-BEVs.
Tier 4 includes corn- and cellulosic-E85.

Wind-BEVs ranked first in seven out of 11 categories, including the two most important, mortality and climate damage reduction. Although HFCVs are much less efficient than BEVs, wind-HFCVs are still very clean and were ranked second among all combinations.

Tier 2 options provide significant benefits and are recommended.

Tier 3 options are less desirable. However, hydroelectricity, which was ranked ahead of coal-CCS and nuclear with respect to climate and health, is an excellent load balancer, thus recommended.

The Tier 4 combinations (cellulosic- and corn-E85) were ranked lowest overall and with respect to climate, air pollution, land use, wildlife damage, and chemical waste. Cellulosic-E85 ranked lower than corn-E85 overall, primarily due to its potentially larger land footprint based on new data and its higher upstream air pollution emissions than corn-E85.

Whereas cellulosic-E85 may cause the greatest average human mortality, nuclear-BEVs cause the greatest upper-limit mortality risk due to the expansion of plutonium separation and uranium enrichment in nuclear energy facilities worldwide. Wind-BEVs and CSP-BEVs cause the least mortality.

The footprint area of wind-BEVs is 2–6 orders of magnitude less than that of any other option. Because of their low footprint and pollution, wind-BEVs cause the least wildlife loss.

The largest consumer of water is corn-E85. The smallest are wind-, tidal-, and wave-BEVs.

The US could theoretically replace all 2007 onroad vehicles with BEVs powered by 73000–144000 5 MW wind turbines, less than the 300000 airplanes the US produced during World War II, reducing US CO2 by 32.5–32.7% and nearly eliminating 15000/yr vehicle-related air pollution deaths in 2020.

In sum, use of wind, CSP, geothermal, tidal, PV, wave, and hydro to provide electricity for BEVs and HFCVs and, by extension, electricity for the residential, industrial, and commercial sectors, will result in the most benefit among the options considered. The combination of these technologies should be advanced as a solution to global warming, air pollution, and energy security. Coal-CCS and nuclear offer less benefit thus represent an opportunity cost loss, and the biofuel options provide no certain benefit and the greatest negative impacts.




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LAGC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-08-11 02:43 PM
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6. Labeling again?
Edited on Sun May-08-11 02:46 PM by LAGC
I have no bias towards nuclear power. I just want to see the cheapest, most reliable, cleanest forms of energy to meet all our needs, whatever those energy sources may be. Is that too much to ask?
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kristopher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-08-11 03:53 PM
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7. You are dedicated to representing the interests of the fission industry.
Your posts are unambiguous.
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LAGC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-08-11 06:22 PM
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8. Yep, you've got me all figured out.
Waiting to receive my next paycheck from "the industry" in the mail.

:rofl:
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kristopher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-08-11 09:21 PM
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9. Why use a red herring?
No one said you were being paid to post. I have no idea WHY you do what you do, but we are all able to know that when you act by posting, that action is unable to be interpreted in any way other than as one that is a full-throated embrace of nuclear fission and an associated pattern of presenting misinformation about renewable energy.

Feel free to share why you behave that way, but please don't insult us by claiming you do not.
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marions ghost Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-09-11 12:53 PM
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11. +++
thanks
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TNLib Donating Member (683 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-08-11 01:15 PM
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3. That's ashame I was hoping this incident would create a catalyst that made Japan Leaders in Green
Energy.
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kristopher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-08-11 02:01 PM
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5. It is much too soon to take statements like the OP as indicating anything definitive.
Edited on Sun May-08-11 02:17 PM by kristopher
The internal dialog is just getting started, and one big part of it will end up being the way a move to a renewable energy infrastructure has the potential to heal the long-standing problems of the Japanese economy.
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Generic Other Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-09-11 12:25 PM
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10. I certainly hope you are right about that
These governments have a way of ignoring their people where this industry is concerned. The industry is patronizing toward us and acts as if nuclear power is a done deal and no public input is needed. No matter how many of us say otherwise, they simply go forward with their plans. All real problems are downplayed as they work their PR machines trying to assuage our fears.

It's sickening. Nothing is ever learned other than most people don't want nukes, yet we are stuck with them. And people like Cheney tell us why we need them. Who would believe that man?
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marions ghost Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-09-11 12:56 PM
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12. After Fukushima
I can't imagine that the people of Japan would want to do anything but phase out nuclear.

I don't think the corporate/leaders are as able to steamroll over the people as they are in America.

It will be interesting to see what happens...
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