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guruoo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-09-11 05:52 PM
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'Geronimo' use in bin Laden mission prompts group to offer counseling
Last Updated: May 09. 2011 5:22PM
'Geronimo' use in bin Laden mission prompts group to offer counseling
Kim Kozlowski / / The Detroit News

A local Native American organization is offering counseling to anyone who feels offended or hurt by the use of "Geronimo" as a code name for the recent U.S. operation that killed Osama bin Laden.

"Geronimo EKIA" (enemy killed in action) was the message U.S. Navy SEALs sent to Washington officials to let them know bin Laden was dead last week. But the code name upset many Native Americans because Geronimo is the name of Native American warrior many consider a hero, while bin Laden was behind the Sept. 11, 2001, al-Qaida terrorist attacks that killed nearly 3,000 people.

American Indian Health & Family Services in Detroit is calling on anyone who needs to talk about the continued use of Native heroes in a negative context to come in.

http://www.detnews.com/article/20110509/METRO/105090407/1361/-Geronimo--use-in-bin-Laden-mission-prompts-group-to-offer-counseling
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blondeatlast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-09-11 05:53 PM
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1. I thought you said the concern was a "waste of bandwidth."
Edited on Mon May-09-11 05:55 PM by blondeatlast
And then you start ANOTHER thread about it.

Pardon me, but...

:rofl:

The evidence: http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=439&topic_id=1070954&mesg_id=1070954
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Autumn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-09-11 05:58 PM
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2. Well I guess this post "hurts"
:rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
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guruoo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-09-11 06:08 PM
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3. Just wanted the outraged parties and
Edited on Mon May-09-11 06:13 PM by guruoo
those with too much time on their hands to know that help is now available nt .








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blondeatlast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-09-11 06:09 PM
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4. Bless your heart.
Edited on Mon May-09-11 06:10 PM by blondeatlast
Really.
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guruoo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-09-11 06:26 PM
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5. So, ya gonna rec it or what?
:rofl:
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blondeatlast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-09-11 06:43 PM
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8. Consider it done. Your deep concern should be noted by all.
Edited on Mon May-09-11 06:43 PM by blondeatlast
Still at zero. :shrug:
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guruoo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-09-11 07:01 PM
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14. I see the other one
is still at zero.
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randr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-09-11 06:34 PM
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6. Counseling? Really?
What they need is a lawyer and to make some waves.
We all should be offended.
Imagine if the Bin Laden and mission were code named Tim McVie(sic) or John Brown or Brigham Young for that matter.
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guruoo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-09-11 06:39 PM
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7. Or George Armstrong Custer. nt
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Obamanaut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-09-11 06:50 PM
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9. How does one branch of a family tree point to a name in the news
Edited on Mon May-09-11 06:58 PM by Obamanaut
and say "That name is disrespectful toward my anscestor."

Another group will then say, even though they are unrelated "No, it is MY ancestor. Not his, or hers, or theirs. MINE!"

When a name that is not an uncommon surname is used, how does one decide which group should be the primary offendees?

edited to correct spelling of surname, previously appearing as surnmae.
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blondeatlast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-09-11 06:51 PM
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10. Uncommon? Really?
:wtf:
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Obamanaut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-09-11 06:56 PM
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12. NO "...not an uncommon..." Now I'm going back and correct the spelling
of surname.

To repeat "...not an uncommon..."

Notice the NOT. It means that the surname is NOT uncommon, another way to say it is common.
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Obamanaut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-10-11 03:49 AM
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19. Did you see? NOT UNcommon =/= uncommon nt
Edited on Tue May-10-11 03:51 AM by Obamanaut
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pinboy3niner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-10-11 04:05 AM
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20. It's a first (or "given") name, not a surname
In this case, it was given to him by his enemies.

It's a first name that is used as a one-name reference to the Chiricahua warrior/chief/medicine man, and while it is not uncommon, no one can seriously believe that military use is intended to refer to Geronimo Smith, or Geronimo Schwartz, or anyone else but the "Geronimo" of the Chiricahuas--as is clear from the relevant military history:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=439x1066211
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Obamanaut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-10-11 04:16 AM
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22. Here you go. My point is, there have been many people with that
very same name. Could not any one of them point to the name in the military operation and say "You owe ME an apology, not them!"



http://www.thinkbabynames.com/meaning/1/Geronimo

Popularity of Geronimo
Geronimo is not a popular first name for men but a very popular surname or last name for all people (#20238 out of 88799). (1990 U.S. Census)

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LynneSin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-09-11 06:51 PM
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11. This is one of the few things the right-wing has for them
I'm indifferent to all of this - for the longest time Geromino was something we kids would yell when we hit a target, but then again I grew up in rural Pennsylvania, we did things weird there.
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guruoo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-09-11 06:56 PM
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13. As kids we'd yell geronimo while jumping into the pool nt
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LynneSin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-09-11 09:04 PM
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15. same here.
I don't you think you or I or the Navy Seals meant anything disrespectful to anyone by using that term, but this world is so PC anymore, you just never know.

But I will say this much - the right will play this one to the hilt because it's their way of taking what should be a very proud moment in USA history and swiftboating the hell out of it.
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AlabamaLibrul Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-09-11 09:06 PM
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16. Insensitive (bigotry, hate, ridicule, stereotyping) toward certain groups of people
ridicule, Native Americans.
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Swede Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-09-11 09:08 PM
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17. It's all the rightwing haters got.
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Incitatus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-09-11 09:12 PM
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18. Geranimo was the name of the mission to kill a terrorist and not the name for Bin Laden, right?
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A-Schwarzenegger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-10-11 04:07 AM
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21. Not according to Obama. On 60 Minutes he said it was the code name for bin Laden himself
Edited on Tue May-10-11 04:11 AM by A-Schwarzenegger
I assume he would know...

PRESIDENT OBAMA: There was a point before folks had left, before we had gotten everybody back on the helicopter and were flying back to base, where they said Geronimo has been killed. And Geronimo was the code name for bin Laden. And now obviously at that point these guys were operating in the dark with all kinds of stuff going on so everybody was cautious. But at that point cautiously optimistic.

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-504803_162-20060530-10391709.html#ixzz1LwHUrqy5
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