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Chorophyll Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-10-11 09:57 PM
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"Extremists on the left" become Neo-Nazis???
Neo-Nazi Father Is Killed; Son, 10, Steeped in Beliefs, Is Accused (from the New York Times, May 10, 2011)

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/05/11/us/11nazi.html?hp

"Over the last two months, The New York Times attended and documented a series of events held by Mr. Hall and the National Socialist Movement, or N.S.M., including virulent, hate-filled rallies as well as barbecues and baby showers in the backyard of his Southern California home.

Mr. Hall was a rising force in the party, which has capitalized on a tide of anti-immigrant sentiment to attract members — young racist skinheads, aging Ku Klux Klan members, and extremists on the left and the right."(Emphasis mine.)


This article is basically depressing and tragic, but I was reading it like someone looking at a train wreck until I got to that "extremists on the left" bit.

I already wrote to the Times' public editor asking for a little clarification on precisely which "extremists on the left" are so filled with "anti-immigrant sentiment" that they would become Nazis.

What say you good people?
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XemaSab Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-10-11 10:01 PM
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1. The smell of bullshit
is strong with this one.
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Chorophyll Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-10-11 10:05 PM
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2. Agreed. I do hope someone from the Times gets back to me,
but I ain't holding my breath. :eyes:
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coalition_unwilling Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-11-11 01:43 AM
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9. The same NYTimes that beat the drums for war in Iraq based on
WMDs being there?

As EFerrari noted elsewhere, no wonder the Times is broke.
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Smarmie Doofus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-10-11 10:05 PM
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3. News to me. Bad editing, I'd guess. nt
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Chorophyll Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-10-11 10:07 PM
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4. Maybe. But it's pretty galling to me because the NY Times is
supposed to be the epitome of "teh librul media," and such as.
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Smarmie Doofus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-10-11 10:14 PM
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5. Not so liberal these days. I used to get it for op-ed.
But both Bob Herbert and Clyde Haberman ( local intrepid NYC political columnist) disappeared. In the space of a couple of weeks.

Curious.

The reportage is standard corporate swill. Make that one step above: at least NYT is comparatively thorough.

But commentary is why I had the paper ( hardcopy) delivered.
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Chorophyll Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-10-11 10:16 PM
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6. Frank Rich is gone too.
And they've added Ross Douthat, who's basically David Brooks on steroids. But I get the Friday-Saturday-Sunday delivery. Gotta love the Book Review. ;)
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OHdem10 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-11-11 01:05 AM
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7. Exremist on the Left cannot be Fascists. Unless they leave their
Leftiness making a hard right turn. How often do
you see a Lefty go hard right???

They could call left extremists pinko commies. Their
interests are different--anti immigrant does not fit here.
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readmoreoften Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-11-11 01:37 AM
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8. There is no such thing as "leftist nazism". Just more "fair and balanced" propaganda.
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Behind the Aegis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-11-11 01:52 AM
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10. not in regards to immigration...
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StarsInHerHair Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-11-11 05:22 AM
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11. ahh yes, the reason why few 30 y.o. & down read the nyt, it's toilet paper
Edited on Wed May-11-11 05:23 AM by StarsInHerHair
I don't get how such an unserious paper could be taken seriously now. This isn't the 1970s. Someone PLEASE inform Hollywood, too.
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Smarmie Doofus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-11-11 06:01 AM
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12. Idea: Why don't you email this thread to the author (s).
Then... in the unlikely event you get a reply.... post it here.

I've done that re. NYT education reporting and commentary. So far, they've stonewalled.

Ya gotta keep after these people.
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Chorophyll Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-11-11 07:00 AM
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26. I could try. Thanks! nt
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Enthusiast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-11-11 06:24 AM
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13. Downright disgusting.
There has been a concerted effort to muddy the water on the whole WWII "National Socialist" thing. The only thing socialist about Nazi Germany was the single minded focus of the people on a war of aggression and acquisition. There was nothing left wing about it.
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JoePhilly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-11-11 06:27 AM
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14. Sounds like the "both sides do it" nonsense.
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SpiralHawk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-11-11 06:29 AM
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15. Exactly. False equivalence
The Times editors should never have let that BS get by...
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IndyPragmatist Donating Member (556 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-11-11 06:33 AM
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16. There is far more than just left/right....
if you use a linear scale for political ideology, then yes, Nazism and neo-Nazism are absolutely on the left. They are leftist ideologies.

But the linear model is worthless. The quadrant model is much better. Neo-nazi's would fall between liberal and authoritarian on the quadrant model.
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Warren Stupidity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-11-11 06:44 AM
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19. Another victim of rightwing revisionism.
The fascists and nazis and their political movements of the 20s-40s were right wing reactionary populist movements - anyone claiming otherwise is ignorant or lying.
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socialist_n_TN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-11-11 10:06 AM
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36. Yep. They took advantage of racist tendencies in the
petit bourgeousie and the lumpenproletariat and some parts of the actual proletariat class in order to gin up racial hatred to put in office through scapegoating.

The internationalist socialist groups by DEFINITION cannot be racist. If they are, they're not internationalist socialist.
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JoePhilly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-11-11 06:52 AM
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24. Which scale do you think the article was using, your quadrant scale or the linear model.
They are using the the left/right distinction in a linear fashion, because that's how most of America thinks about it.
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JoePhilly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-11-11 06:50 AM
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23. delete, wrong place
Edited on Wed May-11-11 06:53 AM by JoePhilly
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Snedder Donating Member (19 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-11-11 06:40 AM
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17. I know liberals who are extremely anti-Israel
Maybe that's what the article was talking about.
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Warren Stupidity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-11-11 06:45 AM
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20. wtf?
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Snedder Donating Member (19 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-11-11 06:46 AM
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21. Nazis were mentioned
:shrug:
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Warren Stupidity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-11-11 06:47 AM
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22. so a person who dislikes Israeli policies is therefore a nazi?
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JoePhilly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-11-11 06:54 AM
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25. Then you should read the article ...
... that's not what they are talking about.
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JTFrog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-11-11 07:36 AM
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32. That one is very
Intelligent. O.

:shrug:
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JTFrog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-11-11 07:39 AM
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33. And sleeping with the worms.



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Chorophyll Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-11-11 07:01 AM
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27. No. That was not what the article was talking about.
Read the article.
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Canuckistanian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-11-11 07:18 AM
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28. That doesn't mean those liberals will suddenly embrace Nazism
Being against the state of Israel DOES NOT equal anti-semitism.
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socialist_n_TN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-11-11 10:08 AM
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37. You can be anti Isreali POLICIES and not be anti Jewish
It's called nuance.
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Warren Stupidity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-11-11 06:42 AM
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18. decades of bullshit re nazi->left has done its job.
That plus the new standard of 'objective' journalism that requires a balancing 'left' for every 'right' (but of course not the other way.)
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Chorophyll Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-11-11 07:23 AM
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29. Yep. It's really infuriating.
"Fair and balanced."
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Shagbark Hickory Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-11-11 07:23 AM
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30. Might be talking about H U G O * C H A V E Z
Edited on Wed May-11-11 07:24 AM by Shagbark Hickory
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Chorophyll Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-11-11 07:30 AM
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31. Article is front-and-center at the Times' web site as of
this morning (8:30-ish on the east coast.) A slew of pictures has been added. Take a look at them, and see if you can spot those "extremists on the left."

http://www.nytimes.com/

Jeebus. I hardly ever do an O.P., but this has really frosted my cupcakes.
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starroute Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-11-11 09:53 AM
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34. I think you have to start with a warped definition of "extreme left"
Some part of the anti-immigrant movement came out of groups that were worried about over-population thirty years ago and at that time seemed to be a component of the environmental movement.

So I'd guess that's what the article is referring to -- but it's presented in a way that effectively turns it into a smear.
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fascisthunter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-11-11 09:57 AM
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35. Orwellian right wing garbage.... right wingers are neo-nazis and fascists
always have been, and always will be
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