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Playinghardball Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-13-11 09:35 AM
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Olbermann accuses Ed Schultz of trying to ‘silence’ Michael Moore on bin Laden
Edited on Fri May-13-11 09:48 AM by Playinghardball
Source: RawReplay
By Sahil Kapur

Keith Olbermann defended Michael Moore against former MSNBC colleague Ed Schultz, who criticized the filmmaker’s misgivings about the killing of Osama bin Laden.

“I believe, with great regret, that the pragmatic circumstances of keeping Bin Laden alive outweighed, very narrowly, what Michael is addressing,” Olbermann said in a video posted to his website Thursday. “But for him to then be accused of ‘intellectual liberal hand-wringing’ by a supposedly liberal commentator on a supposedly liberal television network, is outrageous.”

“What I object to, is those who want to silence those who disagree with me,” added Olbermann, who is poised to host his own show on Current TV, also called “Countdown With Keith Olbermann.”

As The Huffington Post pointed out, it was Schultz who criticized Moore in a recent segment while decreeing that “the intellectual liberal hand-wringing needs to stop in this country.”

“We’ve lost something of our soul here in this country,” Moore said after the U.S. raid that killed the al Qaeda leader, declaring that in America, “everybody has their day in court no matter how bad of a person, no matter what piece of scum they are.”

Watch the video, via Foknewschannel.com

http://www.rawstory.com/rawreplay/2011/05/olbermann-accuses-ed-schultz-of-trying-to-silence-michael-moore-on-bin-laden/
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fredamae Donating Member (622 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-13-11 10:20 AM
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1. Was anyone Really trying to silence Moore or is the
dissent and disagreement with his opinion being expressed?
I saw nothing that attempted to actually silence Moore, just points of disagreement with his position.

I seem to recall Moores passionate anger toward bin laden shortly after 9-11-01. Is it possible he may have been so incensed with that event he, himself may have called for bin ladens demise, back then?
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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-13-11 12:08 PM
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18. Discrediting is a form.
Edited on Fri May-13-11 12:09 PM by mmonk
That way, any conversation on the matter is removed.
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Shagbark Hickory Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-13-11 10:22 AM
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2. msnBS is fox news in disguise. Don't believe they're on your side for one second. nt
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Matariki Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-13-11 11:35 AM
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10. That is a wildly absurd statement. n/t
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Shagbark Hickory Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-13-11 11:56 AM
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12. If you quit watching, I guarantee your days will be more enjoyable. nt
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Matariki Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-13-11 01:22 PM
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24. That statement can be applied to ALL television, IMO
That said - MSNBC == FOX is a false equivalent.
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Shagbark Hickory Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-13-11 05:58 PM
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29. You're right. Fox has 1 hour a day of news. msnBS doesn't.
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Matariki Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-13-11 09:09 PM
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38. Rachael Maddow is arguably the best news program on television right now.
Edited on Fri May-13-11 09:48 PM by Matariki
And I doubt there is even a single hour of what could be called news on FOX.

Are you sure you're on the site you intended?
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Shagbark Hickory Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-14-11 08:35 AM
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39. I'm not suggesting that you watch fox because my original reply was that msnBS was just as bad..
- no - actually worse that fox.

If fox openly airs a bunch of right wingers spewing hate and bullshit, that's bad enough. That's to be expected. Certain people watch fox because they want to watch that.

People who don't, watch other channels like msnBS in the hopes it will be the polar opposite. But the fact is that it isn't the opposite. They constantly re-air clips of the same R.wingers spewing hate and bullshit whilst conveniently forgetting to cover current events. (Other than Charlie Sheen and the Oscars of course) They manage to air the same commercials for the oil and natural gas lobby and the US chamber of commerce.
Make no mistake about it, msnBS isn't your friend. MsnBS isn't the people's station. msnBS isn't what you think it is. If you thought their revenue stream ended at the end of the commercial break, you're sadly mistaken.

It couldn't be more clear why Keith quit. MsnBS is the rightwing wolf in sheep's clothing.
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RamboLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-13-11 06:40 PM
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32. Fine - I'll watch MSNBC - you won't
And I'll watch KO when his new show comes on.

And I'm going to continue watching Ed Schultz!
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Shagbark Hickory Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-14-11 08:37 AM
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40.  If you like watching clips of Right Wingers spew BS on Ed's show, why not just tune in to Fox?
Edited on Sat May-14-11 08:41 AM by Shagbark Hickory
It couldn't be any more evident now why Keith quit that network.
It's a rightwing wolf in sheeps clothing.

Michael Moore has the liberal/progressive position on this issue and the machine wants to influence its viewers to what is more politically favorable for them.

By the way, when was the last time they mentioned the Fukukshima meltdown?
Or the air attacks on the Quadafi compounds?
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blondeatlast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-13-11 10:28 AM
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3. Disagreement is not "silencing," KO. Ed spoke his opinion, MM spoke his,
now you're offering yours. And we, the audience, can decide for ourselves who is more "correct".

Ain't America grand?
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Enrique Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-13-11 12:09 PM
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20. sometimes it goes beyond disagreeing
sometimes people don't say "I disagree", they say "shut up".

We heard a lot of people saying "shut up" during the Bush administration, and we're hearing some of it now.
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coalition_unwilling Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-13-11 05:15 PM
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26. John Kerry told me, my wife and others who quesiton the hit job on
OBL to 'shut up and move on' on CBS' "Face the Nation."

Oy vey, that those words came from John "Winter Soldier Hearings" Kerry. Oh, whatever.
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ProudToBeBlueInRhody Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-13-11 05:32 PM
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28. Sarah Palin likes to make that claim too
Just sayin'.
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bluestate10 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-13-11 06:38 PM
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31. 1,000,000% agree. Schultz spoke his mind. nt
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bullwinkle428 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-13-11 10:34 AM
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4. K&R. With Schultz beating up on MM and siding with the Hannitys
of the world on that Common appearance at the WH, he might as well go back to his Repuke roots. I stopped listening to the guy in the afternoons, although with his 4-day work weeks, I might listen again today if he has Mike Papantonio (who rocks) subbing for him.
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bbgrunt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-13-11 10:46 AM
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5. yeah, Schultz's republican sensibilities ooze out every
once in a while when he's not thinking and is trying to get back in favor with the DLC types. He has a lot to atone for with all his union support and demands that O admin start supporting unions, stop the extension of the bush tax cuts, and support of single payer.

The vigor of his hippy bashing these last couple of days have left me much less of a fan.
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Cleita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-13-11 11:28 AM
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7. You forgot your sarcasm smiley.
Some people might think you are serious.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-13-11 11:30 AM
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8. That's what I thought when I first heard him talking
at some book panel. He was the more conservative panelist and it seems that's his bent whenever he's unscripted for very long.
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JaneQPublic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-13-11 11:23 AM
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6. Freedom of Speech does not mean you always get the last word.
It means that other people get to excercise their freedom of speech on the same issue and even during the same conversation.
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Blue-Jay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-13-11 11:33 AM
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9. Criticism is NOT "trying to silence" anyone.
Ed offered a different opinion, as he often does. He can't do anything to actually "silence" anybody, much less Michael Moore.
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KatyMan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-13-11 12:01 PM
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13. Not to mention he played the Michael Moore clip
and did not speak over it. He let it play and then voiced his criticism of it. No silencing.
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The Backlash Cometh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-13-11 11:55 AM
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11. This is why I'm a social pragmatist.
I could never be a pure Liberal, because it's too ideological and I don't believe in snatching defeat from the jaws of victory.

Should Michael Moore have an opportunity to speak? Yes, I suppose so. But, it's embarrassing to watch. It reminds me that Michael Moore has been wrong before. He supported Ralph Nader in 2000 which tipped the scales to the Republicans. He admitted he was wrong, afterwards, but the damage was done.

And he's wrong about bin Laden. Anyone who was alive during the Iran hostage situation would know what would have happened if bin Laden was taken alive. the terrorists would have taken American hostages and made it a public event. It could have gone on for months, forcing the US to make a bad decision that would have resulted in tragedy to many.

I just wonder, if that happened, would Michael Moore admit he was wrong about that too?

What is needed is true justification before we cross boundaries. bin Laden was not a Head of State. Pakistan was lying to us. bin Laden was planning further attacks. It seems very obvious that we had justification, and not just because of what we feared bin Laden would do in the future, but because of what he did in the past.
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Raine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-13-11 12:07 PM
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16. Totally agree, completely on point! nt
:thumbsup:
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RZM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-13-11 12:06 PM
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14. Keith should have just said: 'I'm with Michael on this one, not Ed'
And left it at that. This business about 'silencing' is ludicrous. I'll bet that MSNBC has joined Fox on Keith's shitlist and this will become apparent when his new show debuts.
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RamboLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-13-11 06:42 PM
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34. I expect KO to go after many MSNBC'ers with exception of Rachel
And as a viewer I don't care. I'll watch all of them.
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Aerows Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-13-11 12:07 PM
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15. Divide and Conquer - Progressives vs. Democrats
even though they are allies. Classic strategy. They frame "Progressives" as the horrible, far left wing of the Democratic party.

Progressives are apparently the evil in the Democratic party, and *just like* the tea party is to the Republicans.

When are we going to stop allowing valid criticism to keep us from standing with our brothers and sisters in the Democratic party? We don't have to agree, you know, and polarizing each other as too fervent on one issue misses the point, that we can change things to the better for ALL of us if we don't get sucked into petty battles like Republicans want us to do.

I stand with the Dems, even if I don't get all of my needs met, and yes, sometimes I bitch about the lack of progress on the gay-rights front. Does it mean I'm going to be a Republican? Hell no.

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fredamae Donating Member (622 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-13-11 05:09 PM
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25. I'm not going anywhere:)
That's the Thrill of being a Dem, we can debate, disagree, dispute, distrust, challenge, get mad, change political views, fret, worry, care, go full circle and still stand Together and fight like hell for others:) That's just how we roll...
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elleng Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-13-11 05:30 PM
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27. When are we going to stop allowing valid criticism to keep us from standing with our brothers and si
Edited on Fri May-13-11 05:32 PM by elleng
sisters in the Democratic party?

:thumbsup:
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bluestate10 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-13-11 06:41 PM
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33. Why are Greens in the early test NY Congressional race voting as they are?
That 2% could be the difference in the race.
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aquart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-13-11 07:00 PM
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37. Thank you for your concern.
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NashVegas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-13-11 12:07 PM
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17. It's Not Polite To Say
"We should've arrested Bin Laden and given him time and opportunity to spill US secrets."
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Raine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-13-11 12:09 PM
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19. KO is just trying to drum up interest since his new show is coming
on soon. When I hear this kind of statement from KO I realize why I don't miss him anymore.
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jillan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-13-11 12:13 PM
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21. Keith - since you left, I have become a huge fan of Ed's. Ed is entitled to state his position on
his show - just as you were. Nobody is trying to silence Michael Moore, just because on one issue they don't agree with MM.

Sheesh!
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Azathoth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-13-11 12:17 PM
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22. When blowhards collide n/t
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Wait Wut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-13-11 12:20 PM
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23. Wow. This sort of disturbs me.
I like KO about a million times more than ES, but this is bullshit. I sincerely hope that this isn't Keith's attempt to undermine Ed just to promote himself. There are plenty of other issues and personalities to criticize that would be better use of his talents.

Please, Keith, let's not encourage division on the left. We can't afford anymore animosity towards each other.
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Overseas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-13-11 06:25 PM
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30. I agree with Keith. I think Ed was too heavy handed condemning all liberals.
Edited on Fri May-13-11 06:28 PM by Overseas
He condemned all liberals who have perspectives other than very supportive. I think he loves to speak out when he feels like a macho liberal who approves of some military aggression. But he can be that way and still show some respect for those more liberal than he is. He could have said-- but the Bush administration pushed our country beyond some ethical boundaries which some of my fellow liberals want us to pull back from. They want us to return to the more formal restrictions of international law.

Ed seemed to feel the need to jump on the chance to condemn a fellow liberal-- and use a broad brush to condemn all liberals who question the methodology of getting bin Lade

Just like when he seemed to relish the chance to support jumping in to "help Libya" when some liberals were urging restraint, since we were not jumping in elsewhere with equally disturbing circumstances. Ed seemed proud of the fact that he backed the president's drive to jump into the fray and kind of overdid the "I'm a liberal who likes some wars," idea.

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Modern_Matthew Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-13-11 06:45 PM
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35. Once again, a simple disagreement has been exaggerated. Yawn. nt
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seabeyond Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-13-11 06:47 PM
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36. moore can say they are pussies wearing pink tutu's. i guess "handwringing"
must be fine, too.
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