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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-13-11 03:38 PM
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Regarding Newt Gingrich
“March 8, 2003: State Department spokesman says of forged documents, “We fell for it”; shortly thereafter, Wilson tells CNN that the U.S. government has more information on this matter than the State Department spokesman acknowledged.

“Sources have informed Wilson that soon after the CNN interview, a decision was made at a meeting in the Office of the Vice President – possibly attended by Dick Cheney, Lewis 'Scooter' Libby, Newt Gingrich, and other senior republicans – to produce a workup on Wilson to discredit him.”
Joseph Wilson; The Politics of Truth; Carroll & Graf; 2004; page 452.

Discussions about the long anticipated and recently announced presidential candidacy of Newt Gingrich frequently focus on two things: his experience as a hostile Speaker of the House, and his marital infidelities. It would be easy – too easy – to dismiss Gingrich as a bitter politician, with deep character flaws that render him unlikely to be elected to high office. Yet this is the country in which both Richard Nixon and Richard Cheney held the reins of power.

I am convinced that Gingrich is actually running for the Vice Presidency. I base this opinion on information pertaining to the role that Gingrich played in VP Cheney's cabal. Although Gingrich was neither elected nor appointed to any position in the Bush/Cheney administration, he definitely played an under-reported and powerful role.

Gingrich did serve in a visible position: he was “a member of the Defense Policy Board, an outside group that periodically advised Rumsfeld, but his real connection was to Cheney.” (Bob Woodward; State of Denial; Simon & Schuster; 2006; page 251) Cheney and Gingrich had both been elected to Congress in 1978, and had remained close friends. Thus, Gingrich was a member of Cheney's Office of Special Plans, the vice president's intelligence group that adhered to a neoconservative world-view.

In this position, Gingrich worked with Cheney, Libby, Paul Wolfowitz, James Woolsey, Richard Pearle, John Hannah, Douglas Feith, David Wurmser, and retired Navy Commander William Luti. (In fact, Luti had previously served as a foreign policy aide to Gingrich.) Gingrich would serve as one of the top supporters of Ahmad Chalabi, including well after the CIA had discredited Chalabi. Hence, Gingrich's role in attending meetings at the CIA's headquarters, along with VP Cheney and Scooter Libby, to pressure analysts (Wilson; page 6), should not be underestimated.

More information on Gingrich's knowledge of, and participation with the unconstitutional power of the Office of the Vice President can be found in the two books quoted from above, along with Woodward's “The War Within” (Simon & Schuster; 2008) and Michael Isikoff & David Corn's “Hubris” (Crown; 2006). There are, of course, numerous other reliable sources of documentation of this.

There are many reasons that Newt Gingrich should never be elected or appointed to any position in government. The fact that he was eager to shut down the federal government while serving as the Speaker of the House is definitely a good one. The business about his advocating the impeachment of President Clinton for behavior that he engaged in is yet another. But most important, I believe, is that Newt Gingrich was an active participant in the Cheney effort to destroy our Constitutional democracy. Gingrich wants to have the shadowy powers associated with the OVP. And that is no joke.

Peace,
H2O Man
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mrdmk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-13-11 04:02 PM
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1. Gingrich is definitely a real piece of work
Also, power at any cost is not below him.

K & R for the facts!
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-13-11 04:14 PM
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2. Thank you.
I think he is representative of that which is the worst in Washington's potential.
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myrna minx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-13-11 04:16 PM
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3. You just gave me a shiver. K&R n/t
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-13-11 04:28 PM
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4. Gingrich should not
be mistaken for being only a jackass. He is, of course, a jackass. But he is much more than that.

In fact, he is likely to be selected as the running mate for almost any republican presidential candidate, at least at this point in time. More, that is exactly what he wants. And while I expect President Obama to be re-elected in 2012, a lot can (and will) happen between now and then. And considering that the electoral vote, rather than popular vote, determines the outcome, it is possible that Newt could become VP.
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Cyrano Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-13-11 04:46 PM
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7. "VP Newt" a hearbeat away from the presidency?
Edited on Fri May-13-11 04:47 PM by Cyrano
The thought of it is enough to induce a heart attack.
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russspeakeasy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-14-11 03:41 PM
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20. Cheney 2 !
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-13-11 04:30 PM
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5. Gingrich = Cheney --- !! Thank you -- !!
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-13-11 04:39 PM
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6. That's about it.
Gingrich is as dangerous as Cheney was.
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hootinholler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-14-11 07:51 AM
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8. You could very well be spot on with your suggestion
It fits very nicely and explains why the Newtie was so quite during the shrubing of America.

-Hoot
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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-14-11 08:05 AM
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9. Good research (and memory).
I have Joe's book and forgot about that (I stay outraged too much I suppose). Thanks for the reminder.
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Me. Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-14-11 08:16 AM
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10. A Wolf In Clown Clothing
Very clever and discerning piece. It is, as you say, all too easy to dismiss this nasty man, as a buffoon. You know, I remember interviews with his mom and at the time she struck me as being rather awful. Apple and tree?
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spanone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-14-11 08:20 AM
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11. a disgusting excuse for a human being.
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malaise Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-14-11 08:40 AM
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12. Great post
K & R
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Jackpine Radical Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-14-11 12:47 PM
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13. Boy, that ties a lot of stuff together.
It all makes sense. Especially considering that most of the likely Presidential candidates are such buffoons. I could well imagine a Huckabee-Gingrich administration for example, with Gingrich playing Cheney to Huck's Texas Twit.

I don't underestimate the Corporate Propaganda Service (AKA M$M) to sell damn near anything to the American public. Newt's egregious marital history and Huck's plain old corruption will mean no more than the Texas Twit's AWOL or Cheney's "other priorities"--not even a significant task challenge to a propaganda machine that can make a hero of the Twit and a fake-Purple-Heart bounder of Kerry.
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-15-11 05:49 AM
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21. A presidential candidate
who is more easy to market; the much needed "experienced" VP .... where have we heard that one before?

Huckleberry and Cheney's "issues" are not presented as being as "series" by the media, as President Obama's birth certificate "scandal."
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Jackpine Radical Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-15-11 07:32 AM
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23. Yup-you can almost hear them firing up the steamroller.
I think 2012 is gonna be a very interesting year on the political scene.

I expect the "Great Recession" will worsen again. All it takes is high energy costs to do that, and they're cranking it up again. Watch for European-level gas prices hitting maybe next summer, which, combined with American distances and the ridiculous fuel economy of our existing transportation base, will make people very unhappy with the status quo and ready to vote Obama out as a "failure."
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-16-11 09:09 AM
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26. The economy is key.
By the campaign season, the death of Usama bin Laden will have faded as an issue. There are powerful forces looking to tank the economy, and blame the democratic administration. Plus, there will be crises in foreign lands, beyond President Obama's ability to control.

I understand and appreciate those on the left who believe that the president is doing things that appear to be more consistent with the right-wing agenda, than with what the Democratic Party is supposed to stand for. What is important for everyone here to recognize, however, is that the real power is shared by some domestic and international corporatists, and that the future these folks have mapped out does not include anything close to the democratic principles we at the grass roots level work for. There is a huge struggle going on. And while I view President Obama as seriously flawed, I think that the actual alternative is far worse. (And it's not the "think of Palin" nonsense; it's something real.)
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steve2470 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-14-11 12:50 PM
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14. k&r nt
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somone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-14-11 12:53 PM
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15. Yep, Gingrich is the most devious candidate in the bunch
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PufPuf23 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-14-11 01:08 PM
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16. Gingrich is the worst of the GOP kr nt.
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SpiralHawk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-14-11 01:21 PM
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17. Republicon Occultism
it just keeps on undermining America...Kinda sorryass that these creeps have not been called to task by the so-called 'media.'
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NC_Nurse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-14-11 01:50 PM
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18. he is such a jerk. i cant imagine him doing any ticket any good. but ive been
wrong before...
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RevStPatrick Donating Member (564 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-14-11 03:27 PM
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19. You know, I've been assuming that he was only in it...
...for the bump to his speaking fees and book advances.
But reading this, I think you are 100% correct.
He wants to be VP, modeled after Cheney.
The power behind the scenes of a puppet like Sarah or Michele.
That's actually quite a frightening scenario.
I think I will need to readjust my expectations of the man...
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NNN0LHI Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-15-11 05:59 AM
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22.  Error: you can only recommend threads which were started in the past 24 hours
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russspeakeasy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-15-11 04:27 PM
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24. Why do you think his parents named him Newt?
Because Shithead was already taken.
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-16-11 06:57 AM
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25. Very good.
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