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Better Believe It Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-15-11 10:58 AM
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Obama's Religion Problem: White House Funnels Money to Discriminatory Religious Groups

Obama's Religion Problem: White House Funnels Money to Discriminatory Religious Groups
Taxpayer dollars are continuing to be dispensed to religious groups via a secretive and controversial government office.
By Sarah Posner
This article originally appeared in Conscience magazine, published by Catholics for Choice.
May 13, 2011

After President Barack Obama gave a congratulatory shout-out to Joshua DuBois, director of his Office of Faith-Based and Neighborhood Partnerships (OFBNP), at the National Prayer Breakfast in February, Georgetown University religion scholar Jacques Berlinerblau wondered in the pages of the Washington Post "what exactly that office is doing -- a never-ending source of confusion, and even awe, among reporters, policy analysts and professors in Washington, DC."

Obama first launched the OFBNP in February 2009, shortly after taking office. At the time, he mostly kept policies from the Bush administration in place, including maintaining the arrangement of having a faith-based office in the White House, as well as offices in twelve federal agencies. Religious contractors and grantees would continue to receive federal funding under the "level playing field," a Bush-era term meaning that faith-based organizations would not be at a disadvantage relative to secular organizations in applying for federal funds. In one major change, Obama created an advisory council, to be made up of religious and community service leaders, to develop recommendations on how to improve the functioning of the office and increase partnerships between the government and faith-based groups in addressing societal problems.

Over the two-year life of Obama's OFBNP, however, the most controversial aspects of the Bush initiative have remained in place. Although Obama had promised in a July 2008 campaign speech that he would rid the OFBNP of two of its most pressing constitutional problems -- allowing faith-based organizations receiving federal dollars to discriminate in hiring, and allowing federal money to be dispersed directly into houses of worship -- he has done neither. Indeed, many of the evangelical leaders whose approval Obama sought during his run for the White House opposed those reforms, making their feelings known to campaign staff shortly after his stump speech.

In the two years since the OFBNP launch, church-state separation and civil liberties advocates, acting individually and through the Coalition Against Religious Discrimination (CARD) have repeatedly pushed Obama to stop funding organizations with discriminatory hiring practices, as well as ending the practice known as direct funding, which permits taxpayer money to flow directly to houses of worship, rather than requiring them to establish a separate nonprofit entity. Instead, on the hiring discrimination issue, Obama said the Department of Justice (DOJ) would review instances of alleged discrimination on a "case-by-case basis," and has merely encouraged recipients to set up separate nonprofits.

Read the full article at:

http://www.alternet.org/news/150910/obama%27s_religion_problem%3A_white_house_funnels_money_to_discriminatory_religious_groups/?page=entire


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Donnachaidh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-15-11 11:02 AM
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1. recced to zero
wtf?
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iwishiwas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-15-11 11:14 AM
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4. seems my REC was wiped out.
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DavidDvorkin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-15-11 11:09 AM
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2. Obama has been quite a disappointment on church-state separation.
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krabigirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-15-11 11:32 AM
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7. Very disappointing. Nt
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Adsos Letter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-15-11 12:33 PM
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12. Agreed.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-15-11 11:10 AM
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RKP5637 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-15-11 11:14 AM
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5. K&R !!! n/t
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Silent3 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-15-11 11:18 AM
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6. When do we get an ORBNP?
Office of Reality-Based and Neighborhood Partnerships?
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Better Believe It Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-15-11 11:43 AM
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8. We won't because if we did the devil and other evil spirits would get all of us!
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Dragonfli Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-15-11 11:57 AM
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9. God does not talk to those people so
There would be no benefit to the people from the invisible sky being with the supernatural powers.
Only those that can hear the voices and know what is best for all of us are qualified to take our money and promote the strict adherence to the one true cult that will kill Satan.

Such an office may use reason to approach problems and waste Gods money on people that need it rather than proper indoctrination that is all one really needs to live on.

You can't see the invisible king so you are not qualified to spend his government's money!!!
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iwishiwas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-15-11 12:09 PM
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10.  “This is the last time I want to see you in Madison,” he said. .......Unions smell blood......


I agree, We have LOTS of work to do in the local Repug recall districts.

...........
http://www.thedailypage.com/daily/article.php?article=33500&sid=3c1d900e8a06fd74589639e726f6edf8



Credit:Jason Joyce




http://www.defendwisconsin.org/2011/05/14/third-month-of-wisconsin-capitol-protests-unions-smell-blood-in-recalls/


Third month of Wisconsin Capitol protests: Unions smell blood in recalls
– May 14, 2011Posted in: Mass Media, Press
.................................

The scene today closely resembled that of the previous protests of the past three months. A sea of blue and red “Stand With Wisconsin” signs greeted incoming pedestrians from State St. Thousands of protestors carrying signs, many wearing union garb, milled around the square. A large procession, lead by a group of firefighters, marched around the Capitol.

The recall elections were a big theme today. Kory Kozlowski, of the State Senate Democratic Committee, was holding one side of a large banner that read, “Recall Them All.” Another woman was gathering urging people to sign a pledge to recall Gov. Walker, who cannot be recalled until after one year in office.

The steps of the Capitol were packed with people listening to speakers from a stage. Wisconsin AFL-CIO President Phil Neuenfeldt introduced State Sen. Jon Erpenbach (D-Middleton), who urged the crowd to spend time helping Democrats win back the Senate via recall elections.

“This is the last time I want to see you in Madison,” he said. “You can go vacation in Minocqua and help out Jim Holperin…or La Crosse, which is beautiful right now, and help out Jen Shilling.
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City Lights Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-15-11 12:10 PM
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11. K&R. nt
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Adsos Letter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-15-11 01:25 PM
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14. Americans United for Separation of Church and State is fighting this
"The so-called “faith-based” initiative is a euphemism for taxpayer-supported religion. The initiative funnels taxpayer dollars to religious social service providers without adequate safeguards to prevent proselytism. In addition, these groups seek to discriminate in hiring based on religion even though their programs are publicly funded."
Source: AU "Faith-Based Initiatives"
http://www.au.org/issues/faith-based-initiatives/
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ISSUES OF CONCERN TO AU:

Church Politicking
Defending The Courts Judicial Nominations
Court Stripping

“Faith-Based” Initiatives
Freedom Of Religion
Government-Sponsored ReligionReligious Symbols on Public Property
Religious Discrimination And Accommodation
Government-Sponsored Prayer

Marriage And Sexuality
Religion In Public SchoolsPrayer In Public Schools
Intelligent Design And Creationism

Religious School Vouchers

LINK: http://www.au.org/issues/

Americans United’s current executive director, the Rev. Barry W. Lynn, is a United Church of Christ minister as well as an attorney long active on behalf of civil liberties. Through the years, many members of the clergy have been involved in the work of Americans United. However, Americans United is officially a non-sectarian and non-partisan organization. Americans United is happy to work with Christians, Jews, Muslims, Buddhists, Hindus, Humanists and those who profess other religious beliefs or no belief. We welcome Democrats, Republicans, Independents and those of other political affiliations who share our belief in religious liberty.

Americans United celebrates the rich religious and philosophical diversity of the United States and seeks a nation where all people may peacefully pursue the truth as their consciences dictate.
Source: History of Americans United
http://www.au.org/about/history.html
_____________________________________________________________________________

AU has been fighting for Church/State separation since 1947, and continues to be at the forefront of the struggle. If you have any discretionary funds for donation, this organization can always use help.
Americans United for Separation of Church and State is a 501(c)(3) nonprofit educational organization based in Washington, D.C. Founded in 1947, AU works in the courts, in Congress and the state legislatures, at the White House and in the arena of public opinion.
Fully Tax Deductible: http://www.au.org/donate/

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PurityOfEssence Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-15-11 01:59 PM
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15. The great disgrace is that this man is a Constitutional Scholar
His open courting of Religion, Incorporated since at least 2006--when I caught wind of it--is a horrible development for national politics: now, it will be NECESSARY to include religion in government, since both sides do it and one side always wins. Our Founders were very clear and way ahead of their time on recognizing the dangers of religion in government, and set up a system that held it at bay. Obama knows better, yet plays games nonetheless. That's disgusting.

His flagrant illegal adventuring in the Libyan intervention shows an insincerity that undercuts his whole proclaimed persona: the call was that we were to ignore policy specifics (due to chess-playing and pragmatism) and put our trust in the man's character. Someone who would so deliberately defy core fundamentals of the Constitution is not the pristine beauteous personality we've been cudgeled into following blindly by the stalwarts who brook no dissent.

This is the hazard of hero worship. This is the path to genial fascism, with a yet-to-be-determined amount of leverage from religion. Religion does not play fair; that's its point: it has the answers, and all others are not only wrong but dangerous to the extent of needing to be destroyed. This is why religion is inherently conservative: certainty.

With each mild encroachment, the next step is taken using these as precedent, and that's why we need to hold the line. It's probably too late, and this guy has been a huge help. Remember the "40 Days of Faith and Family" medicine show in South Carolina?

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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-15-11 02:55 PM
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16. From the title of the article
and first couple of paragraphs, one would get the impression that the Obama administration has done nothing to change Bush policies.

Further into the article:

<...>

In the two years since the OFBNP launch, church-state separation and civil liberties advocates, acting individually and through the Coalition Against Religious Discrimination (CARD) have repeatedly pushed Obama to stop funding organizations with discriminatory hiring practices, as well as ending the practice known as direct funding, which permits taxpayer money to flow directly to houses of worship, rather than requiring them to establish a separate nonprofit entity. Instead, on the hiring discrimination issue, Obama said the Department of Justice (DOJ) would review instances of alleged discrimination on a "case-by-case basis," and has merely encouraged recipients to set up separate nonprofits.

<...>

To date, though, the most substantive action Obama has taken has been the November 2010 executive order, based in part on the recommendations of a reform task force that was divided on many issues and could not reach consensus. In one example, the group could not come to an agreement on the question of whether an organization receiving federal dollars would have to cover up religious iconography in its building when dispensing social services. Ultimately, Obama said in the executive order, it did not.

Still, the executive order contained some bright points. It "addressed some of the issues of concern, at least on paper," said Frederica Kramer, an independent social policy consult ant who has studied the implementation of faith-based policies since the Bush era. Among other things, the order prohibits organizations receiving federal grants from discriminating against or proselytizing the people it serves; requires the grantees to offer secular or other religious alternatives; and requires that "explicitly religious activities" must take place at a separate time and location from the federally funded services.

<...>

"Certainly, it's better than no regulation," said Boston, but "I don't think there's any serious effort to provide much oversight with these grants. It would take an army of inspectors -- it's just not plausible," especially in light of current budgetary constraints. Rabbi David Saperstein, director of the Religious Action Center of Reform Judaism, who served on the council and the reform task force, said the executive order "involved months of discussions through all of the faith-based offices in all of the … They really spent a lot of time about what was practical, what was not practical, how it would happen." He added that the order is aimed at moving "the entire government into universal application of standards, which have been very random from department to department." Saperstein maintained that the agencies are "much better positioned to monitor" and that the grantees are also required under the order to monitor themselves and "be held accountable."

<...>


Seriously, President Obama ended Bush's bogus initiative and is working to address the issues related to partnering with faith-based organization. Still, even those pushing for more change recognize the constraints, including regional issues.

Obama Halts Sermons during Soup Kitchen Meals

Partnerships for the Common Good (PDF)

It's good that advocates are staying on top of the issue, but the President's initiative is a far departure from the bogus crony rewards program of the Bush era.

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girl gone mad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-15-11 08:11 PM
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17. k & r
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bvar22 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-16-11 12:51 PM
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18. One of the MANY things that should NEVER see a dime of Public Money
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