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still_one Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-18-11 08:22 AM
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Senate bill makes illegal Internet streaming a felony
"Those who illegally stream live video or audio over the Internet could face up to five years in prison under legislation recently introduced to the U.S. Senate.

Ars Technica reported that Senators Amy Klobuchar (D-MN), John Cornyn (R-TX) and Christopher Coons (D-DE) proposed a bill last week that would make "illegal streaming" of copyrighted content a felony.

Under current law, copyright infringement already carries felony penalties, but questions have been raised about whether broadcasting audio or video live over the Internet could be considered the unauthorized distribution of copyrighted works."

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2011/05/17/senate-bill-makes-illegal-internet-streaming-a-felony/

This isn't to protect copyrights, this is to protect the mass media, monopolistic practices that Congress has allowed for years

The public airwaves, are the publics, not the corporations

If they don't want a signal received then scramble it


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Fumesucker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-18-11 08:27 AM
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1. Just for your information, the internet is not "public airwaves" that would be radio and TV..
Although I agree with you with respect to the motivation of the bill your language is incorrect in this case.
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GodlessBiker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-18-11 08:30 AM
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3. While not "airwaves," the Internet is a public resource, like the interstate road system.
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Fumesucker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-18-11 08:38 AM
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8. If the entire interstate system were toll roads you'd be correct..
But the great majority of it isn't.

There really aren't that many places you can get completely free internet.



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GodlessBiker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-18-11 09:35 AM
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17. We pay for those roads through taxes. What I am getting at is the Internet is a national resource .
like beaches, interstate roadways, airways, etc., which are too important for one or more individual entities to own. We should own them collectively and decide amongst ourselves how best to use them.
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Fumesucker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-18-11 10:00 AM
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18. What should be and what is are two entirely different things..
And "collective decision making" in the USA basically boils down to who has the biggest checkbook most of the time.

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still_one Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-18-11 08:42 AM
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10. What is disturbing is that slowly the ISPs are now limiting bandwidth, are buying media outlets,
obviously because they do not like the shift that consumers are moving away from premium channels to services like netflix

and of course their influence on net neutrality, where I do NOT have confidence that Congress will protect the public over the corporations

Even though not directly related, look at the Nevada lawfirm trying to stop sites from giving quotes with appropriate references as "copyright" infringments, is a very troubling sign
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nebenaube Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-18-11 08:58 AM
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13. Really?
Seems to me that ARPANET was tax-payer funded. Not to mention how subsidies were granted for implementation.
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Fumesucker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-18-11 09:17 AM
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14. "Airwaves" means radio frequency energy broadcast through the air..
Hell, the very computers we're all typing away on were developed largely due to government funded research, NASA, DARPA and so on but that doesn't mean that every computer is public property.

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nebenaube Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-18-11 11:18 AM
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19. Then there's this
We can only own the hardware, we have to license the software technology and the 'public' can radically change the laws anytime they have enough influence to do so. Just ask Scott Walker. :sarcasm:
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Warpy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-18-11 08:29 AM
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2. This is likely driven by HBO and other premium channels
Edited on Wed May-18-11 08:30 AM by Warpy
I know Maher's show is streamed online, but it's often a challenge to find it since HBO keeps getting sites shut down.

If HBO got smart, they'd stream it themselves on Sundays, make it a per show fee to watch it. Lots of us would do that and keep it legal.

Likely this stupid thing will pass, and the streaming sites will have to go offshore. They're not going to stop them.
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still_one Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-18-11 08:53 AM
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12. I agree, also netflix is cutting into their business, and although this isn't directed against
Netflix, it sure seems to be going that direction


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rubberducky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-18-11 08:31 AM
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4. Seems like they`re going to have build more prisons!
Privatized prisons for non-violent offenders!! Oh,yeah! A totally incarcerated workforce! :sarcasm:
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krabigirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-18-11 11:20 AM
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21. Yep.
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aquart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-18-11 08:31 AM
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5. Surf the Channel has disappeared.
The web is being very thoroughly scoured.
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NashVegas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-18-11 08:33 AM
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6. You Get Nailed For Stealing Cable Feed
Why should this be any different?
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still_one Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-18-11 09:32 AM
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15. That is already on the books, so is stealing satellite signals etc. What it leaves open is the
direction this may be going. Radio broadcasts, lending a CD or a book to someone, etc. A company called replay TV used to skip commercials automatically, and they made it illegal, which helped bring that companies demise:

"On October 31, 2001, numerous TV companies, including the three major networks, filed a lawsuit against SONICblue, which at the time marketed the ReplayTV device. They alleged that the ReplayTV 4000 series was part of an “unlawful scheme” that “attacks the fundamental economic underpinnings of free television and basic nonbroadcast services” according to the lawsuit.

The TV industry attacked ReplayTV for two reasons:

1.The machines enabled people to record television programs and then watch them without commercials via the optional "Commercial Advance" feature.<4> This had the potential to undercut advertising revenues which the lawsuit called "the lifeblood of most television channels".
2.The machines allowed users to share programs they have recorded with others via the "Send Show" feature, which transmits digital copies of shows not only on a local network, but also over the Internet to other ReplayTV owners, thereby enabling people who had not paid for premium channels to watch premium content for free.
Both the “Commercial Advance” and the “Send Show” features were alleged to violate U.S. copyright and other federal and state laws, according to the TV industry plaintiffs, who wanted sales of the ReplayTV 4000 devices—slated for shipment on Nov. 15, 2001—stopped.<5>

The lawsuit against SONICblue was stayed when the company filed for bankruptcy protection in March 2003. In August 2003, the ReplayTV 5500 series went on sale without the “Autoskip” and “Send Show” features though the features continued to be enabled on the earlier models."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ReplayTV

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Faryn Balyncd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-18-11 08:36 AM
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7. K and R..........Criminalization of life is a malignacy...Who exactly is Klobuchar lobbying for?
Edited on Wed May-18-11 08:37 AM by Faryn Balyncd
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guruoo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-18-11 08:40 AM
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9. Reads like it applies only to the source of the video stream.
'It appears Klobuchar, Cornyn and Coons followed the White House's legislative recommendations. Their bill would make showing 10 or more "public performances" by electronic means in any 180-day period a felony if the total retail value of those performances tops $2,500 or the cost of licensing such performances is greater than $5,000.'
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dixiegrrrrl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-18-11 08:50 AM
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11. You can track the progress of S. 978 here:
http://www.govtrack.us/
either by signing up for automatic email tracking of a bill or issue
or
searching for the bill on the govtrack website.

Currently the bill is in Committee on the Judiciary.
Date of scheduled consideration. May 19th SD-226. 10:00 a.m.

Will be interesting to see if it gets out of committee.
Franken,Leahy, Whitehouse, Schumer, Durbin and Feinstein are on that committee.( Dems, 8 Repugs.
If it gets out of committee, we should be able to see who voted for it.
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still_one Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-18-11 09:34 AM
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16. Thanks, Franken has been a strong advocate of net neutrality, it will be interesting /nt
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L0oniX Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-18-11 11:19 AM
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20. Our gobmint ...busy working hard for the corporations.
Edited on Wed May-18-11 11:19 AM by L0oniX
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L0oniX Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-18-11 11:21 AM
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22. Peoples bill: Makes it illegal to take money for votes.
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