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Ichingcarpenter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-20-11 10:01 AM
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New Evidence in the Anthrax Attack- Additive Exceeded Accused Knowledge
By Greg Gordon | McClatchy Newspapers

WASHINGTON — Buried in FBI laboratory reports about the anthrax mail attacks that killed five people in 2001 is data suggesting that a chemical may have been added to try to heighten the powder's potency, a move that some experts say exceeded the expertise of the presumed killer.


The lab data, contained in more than 9,000 pages of files that emerged a year after the Justice Department closed its inquiry and condemned the late Army microbiologist Bruce Ivins as the perpetrator, shows unusual levels of silicon and tin in anthrax powder from two of the five letters.

Those elements are found in compounds that could be used to weaponize the anthrax, enabling the lethal spores to float easily so they could be readily inhaled by the intended victims, scientists say.

The existence of the silicon-tin chemical signature offered investigators the possibility of tracing purchases of the more than 100 such chemical products available before the attacks, which might have produced hard evidence against Ivins or led the agency to the real culprit.
But the FBI lab reports released in late February give no hint that bureau agents tried to find the buyers of additives such as tin-catalyzed silicone polymers

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Read more: http://www.mcclatchydc.com/2011/05/19/114467/fbi-lab-reports-on-anthrax-attacks.html?x=1#ixzz1MuAvPMpj
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Aerows Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-20-11 10:04 AM
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1. I remember the Anthrax attacks
and how they had everyone on pins and needles and it was all anyone could talk about.

I firmly believe it was a political ploy designed to gin up support for Iraq, and if that makes me a tin-foil hat wearing conspiracy theorist, so be it.
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Taverner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-20-11 10:07 AM
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4. I'm certain it was a domestic terrorist
Someone with a "White Might" agenda...
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Eddie Haskell Donating Member (817 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-20-11 10:15 AM
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5. Who were the letters sent to?
And why?
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NightWatcher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-20-11 10:18 AM
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6. key media and politicians who might speak up against th Patriot Act
nuff said
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mopinko Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-21-11 09:33 AM
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19. senator leahy and another dem senator
i forget who it was. but one theory was to undercut their objections to the patriot act.
someone here once posited that the real point was that everyone in that senate office building got up and walked out, computers on, everything. a haliburton subsidiary did the clean up. what a treasure trove of information with which to blackmail people.
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OnyxCollie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-20-11 11:03 AM
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11. Colin Powell gave his speech at the UN,
implying that Saddam could use anthrax to attack the US, while the US was investigating Dr. Stephen Hatfill for allegedly doing the same.
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Eddie Haskell Donating Member (817 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-20-11 11:30 AM
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14. Is it true that the first anthrax death resulted from a letter sent to
Edited on Fri May-20-11 11:37 AM by Eddie Haskell
the man who published the picture of Bush's daughter on a barroom floor?
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OnyxCollie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-20-11 12:22 PM
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15. Yes.
Anthrax Alarm
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/3067576/
Oct. 8 — The possibility that a photo editor for the weekly tabloid The Sun was killed in a bioterrorism attack took on a new sense of urgency today after Florida public-health officials disclosed that a nose swab taken from a 73-year-old hospitalized co-worker contained the rare bacteria spore that induces Anthrax, an often-fatal illness.

PUBLIC-HEALTH OFFICIALS confirmed that Ernesto Blanco, a 73-year-old Cuban-American who works in the mailroom of American Media office building in Boca Raton tested as having been exposed to Anthrax. Blanco was admitted to a Miami hospital last week with symptoms of pneumonia. On Friday, Bob Stevens, a photo editor at The Sun, died from disease.




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Ichingcarpenter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-21-11 03:28 AM
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18. NYT-The widow of a Florida tabloid photo editor is filing suite

May 19, 2011
MIAMI (AP) — The widow of a Florida tabloid photo editor who died in the 2001 anthrax mailings is casting fresh doubt on the FBI's conclusion that a lone federal scientist staged the attacks, according to new documents filed in her lawsuit against the government.

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Andrews, the other superior, told lawyers it would have taken Ivins six months to a year to refine the anthrax spores used in the deadly mailings, instead of the roughly 20 hours the FBI found he spent at night in the lab. Andrews also said Ivins did not have the expertise to do the work and some of the necessary equipment wasn't available at Fort Detrick at the time.


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Andrews added that in the 16 years he knew Ivins, there was no indication "that he understood the weaponization technology of anthrax spores, nor did any of his colleagues ever talk to me about his interest or understanding" of the processes required.

"Dr. Andrews stated in his opinion, it would take more than one person to achieve this attack because of the unusual physical characteristics of the powders," the court document said.


http://www.nytimes.com/aponline/2011/05/19/us/AP-US-Anthrax-Death-Lawsuit.html?_r=2&ref=global-home


BTW THESE ATTACKS ARE THE REASON WE HAVE THE PATRIOT ACT
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Fumesucker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-20-11 10:06 AM
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2. They already knew who was guilty..
It's a lot of work going through evidence and making deductions and stuff, if you already know who's guilty why bother?
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leveymg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-20-11 10:07 AM
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3. Looks like that coating material is pretty readily available>
Edited on Fri May-20-11 10:08 AM by leveymg
Might have required some real work to track that lead down - they had their man, twice, why bother?

Scholarly articles for tin-catalyzed silicone polymers

Rhodium catalyzed silicone rubber compositions - Eckberg - Cited by 29
… silicone/(co) polymer dispersions crosslinkable into … - Feder - Cited by 19
Stress relaxation studies of model silicone RTV … - Stein - Cited by 23

Search Results

1.

Syl-Off Solvent-based, Tin-Catalyzed Silicone Realease Coatings ...
File Format: PDF/Adobe Acrobat - Quick View
Syl-Off ® brand solvent-based, tin-catalyzed silicone release coatings are dispersions of reactive siloxane polymers. When combined ...
www.dowcorning.com/content/publishedlit/30-1164-01.pdf - Similar
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Syl-Off Emulsion Tin-Catalyzed Release System Guide
File Format: PDF/Adobe Acrobat - Quick View
Syl-Off ® brand emulsion, tin-catalyzed silicone release coatings consist of a silanol-functional base polymer formulated with a silicon- ...
www.dowcorning.com/content/publishedlit/30-1161-01.pdf
3.
MSDS for RTV325 Part A, Shore 55A Tin Catalyzed Silicone Rubber
Eager Polymers. MATERIAL SAFETY DATA SHEET. PRODUCT NAME: RTV325 – Part A ... silicon dioxide, carbon dioxide, and organo-tin compounds. ...
www.eagerplastics.com/325a.htm - Cached


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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-20-11 10:19 AM
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7. They can be found I imagine in military industrial complex labs
and particularly contractors.
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xchrom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-20-11 10:27 AM
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8. recommend
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Bandit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-20-11 10:51 AM
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9. Waterboard Cheney and I bet we would find out in a hurry.
:shrug: even if we didn't learn anything other than Cheney's ability to suffer, it would be worth the experiment..IMO
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-20-11 10:54 AM
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10. There is no scientist at the lab where Ivins worked that believes
he had the expertise or the equipment to do this.
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Ichingcarpenter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-20-11 11:05 AM
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12. Cui bono?
Cui prodest scelus?

I think the answers to those ancient latin questions
the FBI totally ignored.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-20-11 11:20 AM
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13. It's clear that it was their job to ignore them, to me, anyway. n/t
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Festivito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-20-11 01:07 PM
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16. Not a deep coverup. /nt
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mistertrickster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-21-11 01:44 AM
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17. The FBI needed to find a convenient powerless victim, and they did. Case closed. nt
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