They are blowing all the military shit up in Libya so that

when the puppet government is seated all that shit will have to be replaced by new shit, which will mean lots of weapon sales contracts.

Protecting innocent civilians my ass. They couldn't even be bothered to pull a couple of drowning ones out of the water.

Wouldn't be prudent.

Even US analyst believe that the Bombing goes outside the bounds of the UN resolution. But who cares.

Its really about Oil, Power, Money

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=439x1140737

Imperialism on steroids

it's imperialism on granola and carrot juice.

as you know exactly how the entire military/industrial complex works. In fact, you qualify for a very high position in the U.S. government.

With the Military Industrial Complex running most western governments from the shadows, the following companies are fully prepared to re-arm Libya in preperation for rebuilding the country:

Lockheed Martin
BAE Systems
Boeing
Northrop Grummann
General Dynamics
Reytheon
EADS
Finmeccanica
L-3 Communications
United Technologies
SAIC
Thales
ITT
KBR
Honeywell
Booz Allen Hamliton
CSC
GE
URS
DCNS
Textron
Almaz-Antel
Rolls-Royce
Safran
Navistar
Mitsubishi
ATK
Elbit
Harris
Rheinfetall
Oshkosh
Rockwell Collins
DynCorp
Bechtel
Cobham
Israel Aerospace
Babcock
CACI
Saab
Goodrich
Hindustan Aeronautics
Mitsubishi
ManTech
QinetiQ Group
Hewlett-Packard
Krauss-Maffel Wegmann
Rafael Advanced Systems
Serco
Aviation Holding Co. Sukhoi
Singapore Technologies Engineering

Do you have evidence to suggest that they would?

that's why the libyan army switched to irregular tactics pretty much as soon as NATO got involved.

To protect 7 million people? Come now, there's only one reason to have the crap his military had. His latest arms deals with the west were to repair the old downtrodden technology to put it back into service.

Libyan Army

MBT:
145 T72 (Sov)
280 T62 (Sov)
460 T54/55 -250 in reserve (Sov)

AFV:
740 BMP1 (Sov)
540 BTR50/60 (Sov)
100 OT-62/64 (Cze/Pol)
118 EE11 URUTU (Bra)
35 M113 (USA)

Armored cars:
242 BRDM2 (Sov)
370 EE9 CASCAVEL (Bra)
100 FIAT 6616 (Ita)
200 FIAT 6614 (Ita)
AML90 (Fra)

AA-guns:
110 M53/M59 (Cze)
450 23mm (Sov)
CROTALE -SAM (Fra)
SA6/7/9/13 (Sov)

Artillery:
18 M109 155mm (USA)
158 PALMARIA 155mm (Ita)
55 2S3 AKATSIA 152mm (Sov)
120 DANA 152mm -wheeled vehicle (Cze)
The towed artillery is a mix of 650 US and Soviet antiques mostly.

Army aviation:
5 AB206 (USA)
8 Alouette III (Fra)
16 CH47C (USA)


Libyan Navy

Frigates:
2 KONI (Sov)

Corvettes:
3 NANUCHKA II (Sov)

Light Forces:
9 COMBATTANTE II (Fra/FRG?)
12 OSA II (Sov)

Minewarfare:
8 NATYA (Sov)

Amphibious:
3 POLNOCNY -LCT (Sov)
4 Ibn Al Idrissi (Pol)
20 C107 -LCT (???)

Naval aviation:
12 Mil4 -ASW (Sov)
12 SA.321 Super Frelon -ASW/SAR (Fra)


Libyan Airforce

Combat:
15 SU 24 Fencer -Strike (Sov)
80 MIG 23 (Sov)
40 SU 20/22 (Sov)
16 MIG 21 (Sov)
20 Mirage F1 (Fra)
26 J1 Jastreb -COIN (Yug)

AF-Transport:
7 C130H (USA)
15 L-410 (Cze)
1 Boeing 707 (USA)
10 AN 26 (Sov)
14 IL 76 (Sov)

AF-Helicopters:
4 Alouette III (Fra)
7 MI 8 (Sov)
40 Mi 24/35 (Sov)
12 A109 (U-K)
42 MI 4 (Sov)

AF-Training:
15 MIG 23U (Sov)
6 Mirage F1B (Fra)
84 GALEB (Yug)
4 MIG 25U (Sov)
12 CM 170 MAGISTER (Fra)
136 L39 ALBATROS (Cze)
80 SF-260W (Ita)

SAM:
CROTALE -SAM (Fra)
SA2/3/6/10/13 (Sov)

The port which they have mined in order to attack aid ships trying to help people and rescue refugees.

Where, pray tell, is the threat to the United States as demanded in the War Powers Act?

Well said

they are blowing all that stuff up so they don't have to care who gets control of what is left. Now if they like who ends up in control, they will replace some of it. If not, then no problem.

Qaddafi was demanding a bigger cut of the Oil Profits,
and mentioned "Nationalizing" the Oil Corps last year,
so, of course, he had to go.

Besides, like it or not, Iraq is winding down as a Black Hole for American Taxpayer Money.


We have always been at WAR with EastAsia.

Puppet Government? This is a popular uprising, full of ordinary people like you or me willing to face torture, murder, and rape to end Gaddafi's decades long oppression, theft, and cronyism in favor of trying their hand at a real democratic system, and you dismiss them as puppets, because the west decided to back them at the last minute. Un-fucking-believable. The only thing worse than your initial post is that so called "leftists", who are supposed to be on the side of the people, agree with you. I guess the people can go fuck themselves if you can't figure out how to fit them into some juvenile left-wing narrative.

was that Hillary Clinton supp0rted her family friend Mubarak and told the revolutionaries to be patient.

I'm still following those Egyptian activists on twitter, btw. It's amazing to watch them sort through the attempts to co-opt their movement, to thwart it at every step. They're a very disciplined bunch, now into their third generation of protesting for reform. I've never seen anything like it.

Because, you know, the US = IMPERIALISM = BAD.

But is there a chance that the leadership will be hijacked? Absolutely. What does it then matter what the "ordinary people" want?

Actually, it doesn't even matter all that much for the mechanisms of war gear sales whether the government is a 100% puppet or not. Sales to Israel are profitable enough, and they are not a puppet.

from the outside in all kinds of ways via promises to make Gaddafi's frozen assets available to the "rebels".

And they didn't want to request outside help. Maybe we should assume they are not a bunch of niave idiots?

Ghaddafi has actual support, mainly from his relatives and other kinship groups allied with them in the west. In the east are other groups of people linked by blood realtionships who have been getting screwed by the Ghaddafi gang for 40 years. I wouldn't call them puppets, but their leadership is not neccessarily much different, other than having had the short end of the stick for far too long.

If he had spent that money improving the lives of all Libyan's, instead of pocketing most of it for his family, friends, and allies (while terrorizing the rest into submission for 40 years) this situation wouldn't exist.

Do you realize that when you talk about "ordinary Libyans," that you are talking about people who have lttle sense of nationhood? "We are one!" worked very well in Tunisia nd Egypt, but most people in Libya don't want to be one with anyone except their relatives.

And it may be that so called leftists can spot fakery better than you can.

The people, my granny. Our government doesn't do things for "the people". If "the people" were a concern, Obama would be telling our friends in Bahrain to stop torturing, murdering and raping.

We had normalized relations with Libya until the recent protests, which were peaceful until Gaddafi decided to make it a war of attrition. Our companies were doing business with Libya. They even did PR work for him. You can thank Bush for that. If the Obama administration cared about stability and oil profits above human rights and democracy we would have let the rebels be slaughtered. Gaddafi's reaction to otherwise peaceful protests embarrassed the west for the past few years they spent backing him, that they were willing to throw their support to the rebels. Personally, I thought we would let them be slaughtered until the UN approved the no-fly-zone.

:sarcasm:

...dissappointment that the NATO bomings have not killed more civilians is shining through your whine over destroyed warmaterials.

Probably get deleted but nice. :thumbsup: