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one_voice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-23-11 12:21 PM
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I don't know all the in's and outs of climate change. I don't think everything is caused by humans. I do believe SOME is cyclical. That being said, how can anyone in good conscience deny that we need to take stock of what we're doing our planet.

Winter '09-10 Record snow fall
Summer '10- Record heat/heat waves
Spring '11--devastating tornado's and summer storms.

People died during all of this extreme weather. Isn't that enough to explore what we should be doing to help the planet.

Like I said I don't know all the technical stuff, but I do have common sense and common sense tells me something needs to be done.

That is all.
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Motown_Johnny Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-23-11 12:24 PM
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1. Yes, some is cyclical. We should be in a cooling cycle right now
so not only is this all caused by humans, but even more is caused by humans than we are seeing because we should be cooling, not warming.



Remember all that stuff in the 70s about how we were headed toward another ice age? Well that prediction should have held true, but when they went to check the actual temperature changes they found we were warming.
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Pharaoh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-23-11 12:26 PM
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2.  much of this is due to the sun cycle and
the shifting of the magnetic poles
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EC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-23-11 01:19 PM
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3. You'd think the money involved would be enough
to make them take notice. Since most of the rebuilding is being done by government its gotta cost a lot of bucks. And you'd think the insurance lobbyists would be complaining (although their cure likely is to have lawmakers pass legislation making it more difficult for people to collect for damages). But all this is happening in a majority red states...how are they going to rebuild, how are the people going to recover? I ask because these red states don't believe in government help. And then there is the voting problem they are going to see in all these ID states with all the homes being gone and addresses being wrong.


They better start noticing.
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damntexdem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-23-11 01:24 PM
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4. The reason it took a long time to reach scientific consensus on climate change ...
is that climate is so complex. It took a long time to separate the signals of climate change from the noise of random elements as well as complex cycles. However, the signals have now been strongly 'received' by climate science, despite the slavish and/or self-serving (in the short run) blathering of the deniers.
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SheilaT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-23-11 01:25 PM
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5. Some of it is cyclical in that the climate
is more or less always changing in some way or another. In addition, really good records only go back maybe 150 years on most of the planet. Add to that, more people than ever before, all over the planet, and it doesn't take much in terms of "bad weather" to cause a lot of harm.

All that said, it is obvious that we are reaching more extremes in many places.

I do recall reading in the early 1960's that we were at that time coming out of a mild climate cycle that had lasted from about 1880 to the end of WWII, and what we needed to be on the lookout for in coming years would be more extremes: dryer droughts, wetter wet cycles, more high and low records set, and so on.

If human behavior is in any way responsible for this, there is hope that we can make changes that will make things somewhat better.
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