CA appeals court says public schools must share facilities with charter schools.

I have checked around today and not found much else about this ruling. Not sure of all the implications. It sounds pretty ominous to me, like it would cause real problems for public schools and their facilities.

Court OK's Law on Use of Public School Facilities



Not sure how this ruling will be accepted. I hope it is done with more grace and courtesy than it has been done in NYC.

New York City in particular has had problems with this policy. One major example is how Eva Moskowitz has managed to move her Harlem Success Charter Schools into public facilities. The public school students have been pushed into hallways and libraries, forced to give up space to the charter school students.

Eva Moskowitz moves charter school into another public school's space, boots them from classrooms.



Another school also resented what they called the invasion of the charters.



Not so great for relationships between public and private schools unless handled with tact.

Frankly I am not sure there is a nice way for a charter that calls itself non-profit but is privately run and managed....to move into a public school whose school board will have no control over it.

I don't see how they can do that.. just go into a school and take over its space.

We live in a very weird world right now.

Public schools here are already completely packed. I thought one of the bennies of charter schools was the sweetheart tax deals from the New Market Tax credit. Why do they need to foist themselves into public school facilities?

The real purpose of charter schools is to destroy the public school system. To privatize it with public tax money. Then they will have complete control of the indoctrination of our children. Our children will only learn what they need to know to do the menial low end jobs that are left in this country. The race to the bottom will be won. The .5% at the top and the rest of us.

It's the outright piratical boldness of it that gobsmacks me over and over. I've got a couple of things in my journal about this stuff so you'd think I'd be beyond shock by now.

This is like a werid, all-too-long,boring independent film with a message I agree with but I kinda just wish they'd get it all over with.

What the hell did they do with my mom and dad's America of prosperity, hard work, and the chance to do better? I'm actually glad my dad, a public junior-high school principal, is not here to see this.

:wtf:

I still can't wrap my mind around this--thus the stream of consciousness babble...

WTF! This whole thing is like a very long film, though the theft is speeding up.

The Conservatives see this as the time to finally do it. Total F*^)&%% takeover and no return until we are bombed or invaded by another Country.

And no time to catch our breath.

you can thank your lucky stars that your kids in regular PS will be learning to sing Father Abraham if they have to share with our charters (many of which are religious).

And our FL taxes are paying to send kids to private schools via vouchers. I think two kinds are still going on strongly. I have noticed many of the charters do have a religious theme.

but many here no longer surprise me at all.

before it went down again...will stay on greatest even if it doesn't get more.

I am like you...I see no reason for unreccing this. Some of mine,yes. But this?

are their failing students.

:argh:

read some of the responses I made to you.

What kind of example are they setting for students?

who will only be qualified to work at McDonald's or Dollar General or Walmart while the elite get to attend private(-like) schools at the public's expense.

When Gen. Leland Zevo inherits his brother's toy business, he decides to make weapons instead of toys. He starts using only one room of the factory for his "secret project" and then expands...and expands...and expands. With each expansion he claims more of the original facility, which was dedicated to making true toys, until it was a tenth of its original size.

Not much different from how charter schools are eating public schools.

As an aside, though the film was released in 1992, the General was creating real weapons remotely controlled by children who thought they were playing video games. Not only were they racking up points on the screen, they were destroying real tanks, aircraft and soldiers on the battlefield. Not much different than today's drone warfare.

...problematical in his personal beliefs, but it's a good book nonetheless. The early sequels aren't too bad, but do deteriorate a bit towards the end of the series.

Students pay no tuition, take the same tests as those in traditional public schools, and they're open to all students.

http://www.calcharters.org/understanding/what-are-charter-schools.html

I think if you do some research on charters in CA, you will find many that are privately run and unregulated yet get public money.

To quote the charter school website does not give a clear picture.

Public money is being misused, and it needs to stop.

http://www.leginfo.ca.gov/cgi-bin/displaycode?section=edc&group=00001-01000&file=235

http://www.leginfo.ca.gov/cgi-bin/displaycode?section=edc&group=17001-18000&file=17078.52-17078.66

http://www.leginfo.ca.gov/cgi-bin/displaycode?section=edc&group=47001-48000&file=47600-47604.5

For more information, see the Education Code's Table of Contents:

http://www.leginfo.ca.gov/cgi-bin/calawquery?codesection=edc&codebody=&hits=20

Here's information from the Department of Education:

http://www.cde.ca.gov/sp/cs/

Many schools were turned over to outside bidders.

They can drop kids and send them back to public schools.

And more:

Why would the charter owners want to get the actual title to the public school building?

Lots more if you look.

public education. :(

...about California charter schools.

http://www.cta.org/Issues-and-Action/Charter-Schools.aspx

http://journals.democraticunderground.com/madfloridian/5452

"LOS ANGELES—A teachers union has sued the Los Angeles Unified School District over a plan to allow a new campus to be run as a charter school.

The lawsuit was filed Monday by United Teachers Los Angeles on behalf of a group of instructors at the chronically overcrowded Garfield High School.

The suit says the district violated state law by not allowing teachers to vote on whether a school built to relieve overcrowding at Garfield should be a charter.

The new Esteban Torres High School in east Los Angeles is among 24 new schools set to open in September that school officials have proposed handing to charter operators."

required to do) and should be organized (as in, unionized).

From your link:

All charter school employees should be organized to ensure both quality education for students and professional rights for school employees. Teachers in charter schools should hold a Commission on Teacher Credentialing certificate, permit, or other document equivalent to those required for other public school teachers.

The language on that page is kind of weird. Parts are not well written.

shut the fugin buildings DOWNNNNNNNNNNNNN

seriousl

First it was Prop 13. That didn't completely kill off public education, though it did wreck what was once the finest system in the country. Now this.

I don't really mean to rag on California. After all I live in Texas, the home of all-testing, all-the-time. It's just that we would like to think that a supposedly liberal state (I know, I know) wouldn't fall for the crap in "Waiting for Superman".

Stop Obama from doing this and you help stop the privatization of good public schools.

Sharing facilities seems a positive move, no? And a good day-to-day example of co-operation regardless of education policies /ideology or political differences. Kids would seem to benefit while the PTB slug out the larger issues. :shrug:

"The fundamental flaw in the school district association's argument and example is the assumption that section 47614 requires school districts to purchase anything for the charter schools," the ruling states. "Section 47614 requires school districts to share facilities, including furniture and equipment."