Help me craft a response to a freeper please.

"""""""the left misses that any tax is theft. Yes i said it ill say it again.
Any amount you Tax a person is theft. doubt me? i,m not a def wizard,but mommie told me to take without permision, or by force is Theft.
dont pay it unless your turbo tax timmy or bailout barrny then you get guns at your house and get to go to jail.
We here in USA destroyed the King of England of this. why do you lefties love taxes? You like to give my. yes MY money to you and your non working,babymaking welffair Queens.n and oh ya you 99weekers your aklmost as bad as a welfair queen. so....... When will you leftie progressive parrasites stop steeling from real hard working Americans?if you like Taxes so much please pay my share and ill keep what is mine all 100% of my hard earned PAY. that pay btw is for 40hrs of work. how much work does a welfair queen do? noo pushing out another brat is not work. i,m mean real production work.well i,m rambling and ranting. MG Lc youguys have argued with the idiots on the left for the last year that i have seen. there to dumb to understand. forget it thwey will never get that what you work for should not be distributed to others. That that which you work for should not be taken at all.. sorry ill save for myself when i get old and hopefully protect myself. if you want better doctortreetment that what is free yes it is if you are broke . then work 4 it LOL stupid.. yes if you get the great healt care and they have the nerve to ask you to pay , You sell your house and go into projects,dobnt the hospitol and docters deserve there pay too? """"""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""


Can you please help me?:evilgrin:

huh? Good luck.

" i,m not a def wizard "

I am guessing the " key may be broken on this poor freaks keyboard.

Write back: "I see you're off your Lithium again."

:hi:

Edit to correct grammatical mistake.

nt.

is "steeling" if he doesn't pay his taxes.

That is the social contract that we make as citizens, not as Democrats or Republicans. There are some things that we have agreed needs to be done. If we want safe food and water and good roads and a strong military and good education and safe skies and safe neighborhoods, we have to pay for them. Otherwise, we live in a dog eat dog world. Most people have decided that a civilized society is better.

I tend to blather on. :P

Start there. Or better yet, let it go.

This is isn't theft because theft, or "taxation without representation" because he's represented. He picked elected officials who implemented taxes to pay for expenditures that he also authorized the same way. Did he vote for Ronald Reagan? If so, he voted to raise taxes. Did he vote for GWB? If so, he voted for Medicare Part D without paying for it.

well i,m rambling and ranting

Seriously, will it matter? This person sounds a bit off as in :wtf: .

That's a response for him.

He never went to a public school, borrowed a book from a library, drank or showered with public water, or needed a firefighter?

I admire his independence, being able to get along without all these things.

But if he is using these services and whining about taxes, then he is a a-hole parasite on society = Republicon.

I'm pretty sure trips to the public library were a non-starter for this person.

on and on....

i wouldn't give two cents to this racist fuck

That should do it.

:thumbsup:

No taxes, no government to hate, lots of guns. It's the uptopia he's looking for.

That has to be a troll imitating a Freeper… It's a little too overdone.

Otherwise, just tell him that you don't understand a thing that he wrote and get back to you when he stops writhing (sic) in "Amurikan" and starts using proper English.

Best answer yet.

I'd be wondering if his family opted not to pay for and therefore took the noble route of not 'steeling' from the socialized, tax supported school system. It's too bad really because that tax and it's results would have been of benefit not only to him but the rest of society.

you could come up with.
Seems to be barely out of the poo flinging stage.
Unless there is some crying need to try to convince him, I doubt I would waste my time.
I would probably just say 'taxes and representation are a way for a community to act together. If you want not to participate, move to a country like Somalia where your dream is in place.'

How about, since you're no longer a kid, mommy does not control permission. You gave permission when you took a job in the United States. We are running a civilization here, and participants play by the rules, or they are free to go somewhere else where they are not civilized. Somalia and Haiti come closest to the conditions he desires.

--imm

Any salient point you make will be lost on the likes of this one...... :bounce:

OK.. keep away from Public roads
Keep away from Libraries
stay away from all parks
Turn off your water
Turn off your electric
Quit any HOA you may be apart of
Refuse any future SS or medical benefits
Stop having your garbage picked up
Don't use the any police force
Don't use any fire services
Dont eat anything you havent killed or grown
Stop supporting the military

See.. the thing is people like that have no idea what the hell they are talking about. The remember right wing talking points and spout them even though it makes them sound like an idiot who isnt also sold on the right wing talking points.. because that stance IS idiotic.


edited for grammar

In his rabid mind the only thing taxes pay for are aid to the poor. Notice he believes that we declared independence because of unfair taxes, wrong, it had nothing to do with taxes it was about being taxed without representation and giving corporations more representation then the people. He refuses to see how taxes allow him to have public roads, street lights, military as well as work place safety, environmental protection, food safety, water safety and many other services.

Notice he falls back on Reagans generations of welfare queens having 12 or more kids to get more welfare without bothering to even research welfare, that welfare system has been gone since 1990. Also notice not a peep about corporate welfare, he believes that tax cuts to the rich produces jobs and he goes on the just get a job. Clearly he can't understand what jobs are out there do not pay the bills just to have a roof over their head and heat/lights. Typical rabid right garbage, the poor sit on sofa's watching cable TV. Again he has not researched welfare, todays welfare requires people to spend 8 hours a day in a work first program, to miss it means automatic cut off of benefits. You can't get through this nit wits belief system.

Seriously.

You think anything you say will change this person's mind?

:shrug:

What used to be John Birtchers, are now the Republican base. And they loves smoking them some base. Oh, the freeper is for real.

it's a waste of my precious time.

""""""""""""""""high horse? uuh hugg....
I,m sorryi want to keep all of MY Pay. if you want to donate to suzie the kid maker go ahead please do... DONT involve me. i would not cry a tear if she starved. her and your kids are not my problem. lost your job sorry no 99 weeks unemployment. need a medical treatment to live to 80 years old , and oun a house. Guess what i want to pay for it? To to bad for you whom live on the dole. i work hard for every cent i make.red pearl you dont speek for me so please dont offer my money. """""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""

How can we resist?

that I support *higher* taxes because I believe Uncle Sam can spend (their) money better for (their) benefit (than) they can.

I then reiterate that isn't a blanket statement, I'm specifically referring to them.

about accepting goods and services and refusing to pay for them. Then ask daddy about our system of government and about those vote things that your representatives take.


U.S. Constitution - Article 1 Section 8

^snip^

The Congress shall have Power To lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defense and general Welfare of the United States; but all Duties, Imposts and Excises shall be uniform throughout the United States;

... responding to a Libertarian. They are simply morons. Like talking nuclear power to a 3 year old. Let it go.

with others in keeping them in their netherworld playpen and forget fucking responding to their crazy ass-ed thinking.

"Taxes are the price we pay for a civilized society." - Oliver Wendell Holmes

He doesn't have to pay any taxes. Nobody is, in fact, "stealing" anything from him, he gives it up himself. And he does that by choosing to participate in civilized society. He can alternately choose to live totally "off the grid" and underground and never pay a penny in taxes. I've done it, and I've known lots of others who have as well. It's not that difficult, and there are benefits that come along with choosing that lifestyle.

Of course, there are also drawbacks to living as a non-member of civilized society. It makes it difficult to own property or have a "real" job. Things like that need to be regulated by society, at least to a point. You can't legally drive a car for transportation, and if you do drive on society's roads, you are always in fear of getting caught. You have to keep your money in a coffee can or under the mattress, if you have any. That makes it more vulnerable. However, it does offer a freedom that one can never truly feel when one is tied to a bunch of "stuff."

Maybe your freeper friend should try the tax-free lifestyle sometime, and see how he likes it. He might thrive. Of course, judging from what was written above, I suspect that he is simply a selfish asshole, rather than some sort of philosopher-anarchist. As is the case with most of the "taxes are theft" crowd, who are generally too shallow, vapid and bigoted to care for or about anything other than their own base desires.

People like that really do not deserve a place in civilized society...

boy and then we'll let you go and color with the other patients.

freedom isnt free that means pay your damn taxes. personally i dont engage them they aint worth the effort. but good luck

Or would a simple 'fuck you, you stupid fuck' do ?

Nearly every word is misspelled, and the grammar is pre-second grade.

This person thinks they can have a safe and secure nation for free .... Reasonable people believe a fair level of taxation is required.

People who think they don't have to pay ANYTHING are freeloaders on the system .... THEY are the free loading scums they hate the most .... projecting ...

He/she is probably milking the system for a dishonest subsidy or stipend from Uncle Sam ... many of these anti-tax assholes rape the system somehow ...

"It's my money; I earned it!" How many times have we heard that one? The next time you hear it, try this simple question: Did you earn it on your own? Can anyone earn a penny without the printing of our currency, public roads, rural electrification, government subsidized telephone wiring, satellite communications, police protection, military protection, the criminal justice system, fire and paramedic protection, an educated and immunized workforce, protection against plagues, public-funded loans, protection from business fraud and unfair business practices, the protection of patents and copyrights, research and development, collection and analysis of data, preventative economic policies by the Federal Reserve Board, the Federal Energy Management Agency, public libraries, agricultural and biological services, the National Weather Service, and public job training? Actually, we seem to be getting quite a return for our tax dollars.

the freaking owner's manual, Article I, section 8(1), US Constitution.

/on edit/ With Memorial Day coming up, you can also inform him that all those men and women who were killed in places he never heard of, many more who had their bodies, minds and lives fucked over by steel, fire and all manner of other shit and the rest of us who did/do our duty every weary, thankless day didn't do it for free. A high price was/is paid (sometimes too high) protecting his sorry ass. He can at least pony up a few bucks once in a while.

That person is profoundly stupid. Can't spell; can't use paragraphs; incoherant etc.

Nevertheless, here's some things that come to mind:

Taxes are the CONTRIBUTION one makes to live in a civilized society. We can afford day to day ESSENTIAL services that we never think about because we pay for them collectively.

Freeper seems stuck on the 'welfare queen" thingie. But...does he use roads? Have a police or fire dept.?

If someone commits a crime against one of his family members, would he like to pay, out of pocket, the judge, prosecutor, jury expenses for a trial? How much does your average judge make per hour . Uh huh. I thought so.

Would he like to pay out of pocket in the event that he needs access to small claims court, maybe to collect $300.00? See above for judge's salary. Would hardly be worth it.

Does he ever make use of a public library? umm...oh wait...never mind on that one.

Would he like to bear the total cost of water and sewage treatment so that he won't be sickened by his own waste?

Does he drive a car? What does he pay in user fees to renew his tags? What does he think it would cost if there were NO taxes? (Fees are high enough already).

I like this one: re: hospital bills. "work for it LOL" :rofl: Does he have a clue? Here: half-hour outpatient procedure for one of my family members...$8,000. :wow: That's for use of the facility. The doctor is extra.

This guy is Bone. Stupid. I don't know how these people manage to survive and not get hit by a truck or something.

You'd do better using your time watching paint dry.

Aside from that, it costs money to run a country. You can't have a country without paying for its upkeep, period. If you want to have a country without paying for it, you basically want to be a moocher at best, and an unpatriotic moron who doesn't want to subsidize the existence of the United States at worst.

a tax is passed by the usual legislative process. The issue has been taken up with the judiciary. They lost, but they still spout this "theft" crap.

Unless they want to be hermits, there is no reason they shouldn't pay taxes. Stupid right wingers.

if tax is a theft then using roads and bridges or airports is using stolen merchandise. Schools, parks, playgrounds, sewer, water.

If the govt. puts money in to farms and agriculture then eating that food is a crime. If we give money to oil companies in tax breaks (given from tax payers money) then they can't use the gasoline.

So, until they are willing to stop using stolen goods, they pretty much should shut hell up since what they are doing is just as bad if not worse. Leeching off their neighbors stolen money.

If this "freeper" really has a job, it quite likely doesn't require very much use of what amount of gray matter is rattling around inside his or her skull.

Someone else must have set up/configured his or her computer or laptop and taught him or her the "basics" of how to use it, unless it belongs to his older/younger sister/brother or maybe his mother. No way could he or she figured "it" out him/herself, IMO.

He or she has been influenced by the voices coming from his or her vehicle's dashboard speaker, kinfolk, neighbors, and/or Faux Noise.

Crafting a response is futile, this "freeper" is pretty far gone and is a hopeless head-case, unless some up-close and personal experience(s)or life-changing event(s) happens that causes him or her to see things differently.

teach him to spell

LOL

I am an activist for low income people. A lot of people feel they, "shouldn't have to support other people's kids". Caregiving goes SO much further than kids, but kids are important because they are our country's future and will take care of us when we can no longer do it. So I respond with the following and it usually gets silence, which imo is because it makes non-taxers think since they have little with which to respond:

If our government were to take over the trillions being saved for the cost of care giving so everyone could go out and work for a wage, who is going to pay for that? Since this is in essence a subsidy for corporations, should they pay for this so everyone can work for a wage ~ or would it simply mean more taxes in order to make sure rich men get richer?

Care giving IS a job worthy of support. Women lose on the average of $270,000 over their lifetime in paid labor because of care giving ~ and it is not only with their children. It is with their parents and then their spouses as well when loved ones need 27/7 care. More often than not, it is not affordable to pay for this care with a job, which for women's wage is at $0.70 for every man's dollar. These women have to make the agonizing choice of working for a wage OR caring for their loved ones, so care giving is EXPENSIVE and would cost tax payers or SOMEONE trillions more if they were not doing it.

1. When you get old and unable to care for yourself and your community, who is going to care for you? Most likely "other people's kids" that's who.

2. Sooooo... raising children and taking care of community is "doing nothing" huh? Was it "doing nothing" when your mother raised you? No wonder your spelling and grammar is so horrid! Obviously she decided saying, "do you want fries with that?" and making some rich man richer while her wages did not cover so much as the rent, was FAR more important than you as a child, right? Without that care you would not have survived even a week. Now you are all grown up and it is your moral obligation to not only take care of yourself (and maybe your kids if you have them), but for HER when she can no longer do it, right?

3."Other people's kids" are going to pay your Social Security and Medicare, you are paying for your parent's who cared for you as a child ~ and they gave so your grandparents could have a safety net. While Baby Boomers are paying BOTH their parent's and their own Social Security, they are the only generation who will do that. All other generations pay for the past generation who cared for them. Therefore all those "other people's kids" are going to support you.

4. And speaking of your parents, did they not work hard and now deserve your support as they grow old? Who is going to take care of them and change their diapers if they cannot do it, or are you going to depend on "someone else's kids" to do it? Who is going to pay for that if you don't think your taxes should except you, who are morally obligated to do so? If you think "pulling the plug on Grandma" is a moral ethic, then you are not living up to your Tea Party values who were in a tizzy about that, if you are able to remember more than a few months ago ...

5. So, your parents spent a huge part of their incomes on you, so it will be up to YOU to take care of them. If you think you can afford $8000.00 a month at a CHEAP adult care center where the low paid staff are underpaid and overwhelemed and will most likely neglect your parents, hey, go for it ~ however you may want to ask what will be left over for you from your enormous wages when you are in that shape? And how are you going to work making that rich man richer leaving your parents to their own devices, since caring for your elders is also "doing nothing" and not worthy of any support?

6. You and your wife, if she is working for a wage are sitting pretty ~ for now. But if you or she become injured on-the-job or sick and can no longer work for that wage, that will be up to you also since you don't think paying taxes are worth it. After all the 5-7% in taxes you pay now (if you are middle class and this is your average amount) is going to go SO far in 40 years of savings when the cost soars to over $500,000 for care and medicine, right? Why surely if you were not paying that 5% that will give you enough to buy a mansion, Mercedes and all the trappings, so (sob) you may have to forgo that in order to pay for your treatments and income, right?

7. What I write about here is only in care giving, I have not even began to talk about the Commons, which the poor pay for at a far greater proportion of their incomes than you and use them far less.

8. Depending on the state, the poor pay 12-20% of their incomes in taxes and it is a huge sacrifice for them much more than it is for you. In essence YOU are living off their baby's backs, because they pay it so you don't have to. A welfare mother pays more taxes than you so you don't have to.

9. The poor cannot afford to go to a game, but they pay for and subsidize the facilities and team so you can. They take the bus because they cannot afford the cost of a car to get to work, so what they pay in taxes for roads and other facilities is what YOU enjoy. They pay property taxes in their rent for your parks, schools and government offices. With all these, the rich and middle class use all those expensive facilities far more than the poor.

10. While the poor are dis-proportionally incarcerated, contrary to what you might believe, it is the upper and middle incomes who have FAR more of a drug and alcohol problem than most of the poor, therefore these "deadbeats" are depending on "other people's kids" to support their bad habits with the facilities and health care they require.

I could go on and often do, and while it is sad that people like these ignoramuses think *they* are the only ones paying taxes and supporting communities while enjoying the benefits of this pooled cost, well they are wrong. "Other people's kids" are paying far more for all this ~ or if they are still children, will in the future.

If the rich who pay less than 2% of their millions paid the 15-20% that a welfare mom pays, we would ALL be sitting pretty and be trillions better off.

They can find the stats I speak about with the Labor statistics for women and pay. The tax information I use is here: Look up their state and they will see the poor pay more than any other class: http://www.itepnet.org/state_reports/whopays.php

Cat in Seattle

Pee Ess: Feel free to cut and past my comment and send it along. While it is off the top of my head, it is all true and might help, though from the looks of this letter, I am wondering if my time is not wasted because this person is not very informed (as usual with these people).

But just for giggles, pretend we pay no taxes at all, anywhere. Your house is on fire . . . got enough garden hoses? Your teenage kid just wrapped himself around a telephone pole in the car . . . better bring your own, personal, jaws-of-life to fish him out. I live a mile up a dirt road that often gets a couple of feet of snow during a winter storm. If I didn't have a town, taxpayer funded, snowplow to clear the road, I'd probably be on the hook for thousands of dollars each storm. Or die at the end of the road in a pile of snow. There is a reason a country is formed and it's to serve the COMMON good which requires COMMON funds. I hope wherever this guy went to school gets their taxpayer funding back.