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babsbunny (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-02-11 10:17 AM Original message |
Acorn Foes Face Trial for Undercover Film Work |
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DirkGently (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-02-11 10:24 AM Response to Original message |
1. The First Amendment doesn't protect lying & spying. Never has. |
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FiveGoodMen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-02-11 10:56 AM Response to Reply #1 |
2. Agreed. But the number of people ON THIS SITE who think it does protect lying |
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DirkGently (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-02-11 10:59 AM Response to Reply #2 |
3. Your basic lie might be protected speech. Defamation, not so much. |
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ProgressiveProfessor (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-02-11 11:23 AM Response to Reply #1 |
4. Tell that to 60 Minutes or any other undercover investigation by the media |
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Beaverhausen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-02-11 11:28 AM Response to Reply #4 |
5. I think to broadcast someone that you have recorded, you have to get their permission |
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ProgressiveProfessor (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-02-11 12:31 PM Response to Reply #5 |
8. Technically that is not required for news and 60 Minutes does not always do that. |
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DirkGently (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-02-11 11:47 AM Response to Reply #4 |
6. You won't see 60 Minutes telling someone they're speaking in confidence while filming & taping. |
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ProgressiveProfessor (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-02-11 12:38 PM Response to Reply #6 |
9. Undercover filming/recording of any sorts means people have been lied to along the way |
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DirkGently (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-02-11 01:55 PM Response to Reply #9 |
11. The way the CA law is described, it doesn't sound overbroad. |
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ProgressiveProfessor (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-02-11 03:27 PM Response to Reply #11 |
12. Here is the law being cited in the civil suit, CA Penal Code § 632 |
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DirkGently (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-02-11 03:45 PM Response to Reply #12 |
14. Just requires consent, then. Far as I know that type of thing's been upheld. |
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gratuitous (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-02-11 12:03 PM Response to Original message |
7. Poor James! |
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Drew Richards (507 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-02-11 01:23 PM Response to Original message |
10. The key is Absence of Malice |
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DirkGently (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-02-11 03:41 PM Response to Reply #10 |
13. That's a defamation standard. For whatever reason, this suit's about violation of privacy. |
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ProgressiveProfessor (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-03-11 10:48 AM Response to Reply #13 |
15. It appears to be an eaiser case to make |
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