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xchrom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-02-11 01:39 PM
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Weak retail, jobless reports pull stocks lower
http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/U/US_WALL_STREET?SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2011-06-02-14-22-57

NEW YORK (AP) -- Weaker than expected sales reports from retailers and another large number of claims for unemployment benefits pulled the stock market lower for the second straight day Thursday.

The Dow Jones industrial average lost 38 points, or 0.3 percent, to 12,252 in afternoon trading. The S&P 500 fell 2, or 0.2 percent, to 1,312. The Nasdaq composite gained 3, or 0.1 percent, to 2,771.

First-time applications for unemployment benefits, an indication of how many people are losing their jobs, fell slightly last week to 422,000. That was more than economists were expecting and well above the 375,000 level that signals that the economy is adding jobs.

"Companies are just not hiring the same number of workers that they laid off two years ago, and that's leading to a very stale jobs environment," said David Loesser, the president of the Estate Planners Group, a financial advisory firm in Washington Crossing, Pa.
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JoePhilly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-02-11 01:49 PM
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1. Oh No ... the DOW is down 38 points. Oh ... wait ...
... as of 2:48 EST, its down a very scary 15.97

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xchrom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-02-11 01:59 PM
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5. that's on top of yesterday
http://www.marketwatch.com/story/us-stocks-open-lower-as-adp-disappoints-2011-06-01?link=MW_story_popular

NEW YORK (MarketWatch) — U.S. stocks dropped on Wednesday, with bank issues taking the brunt of the pressure, as Wall Street scaled back its economic growth outlook following another round of dour data.

“What is most concerning here is the pace of the economic fall-off, and the risk is growing that the downside isn’t over,” said John Brady, MF Global’s senior vice president of global interest rate products. Read about economists slashing expectations for May’s nonfarm-payrolls growth .

Tallying its worst single-day point drop since June 2010, the Dow Jones Industrial Average /quotes/comstock/10w!i:dji/delayed DJIA -0.11% fell 279.65 points, or 2.2%, to 12,290.14. Financial powerhouses Bank of America Corp. /quotes/comstock/13*!bac/quotes/nls/bac BAC +1.25% , down 4.3%, and J.P. Morgan Chase & Co. /quotes/comstock/13*!jpm/quotes/nls/jpm JPM +0.25% , off 3.4%, were among the blue-chip names getting slammed.
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Private sector adds few jobs in May

Private businesses barely added jobs in May as large companies cut workers, according to a report released Wednesday.

The Standard & Poor’s 500 Index /quotes/comstock/21z!i1:in\x SPX +0.12% declined 30.65 points, or 2.3%, to 1,314.55 — its sharpest decline since Aug. 11, 2010.



i believe the asian, south asian & european markets had either a down day or flat.
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JoePhilly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-02-11 02:13 PM
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8. Oh no ... the DOW has almost dropped to 12k.
Edited on Thu Jun-02-11 02:15 PM by JoePhilly
On June 2nd 2010, the DOW was at 10,200.

On June 2nd 2009, the DOW was at 8,700

So you will have to excuse me if I don't panic.

On Edit: If you have money in the market, and you have NOT locked in some gains in the last 2 years, you are a moron.
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xchrom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-02-11 02:18 PM
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11. huh -- and now it's about me in the market?
i just posted the sources -- & things don't look swimming -- you are free to say other wise --
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JoePhilly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-02-11 02:23 PM
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13. I did not refer to you specifically ... I referred to ANYONE who ...
see a one day drop, or increase, and then extrapolates that into the future.

Particularly when the drop, or increase, is tiny compared to market trends in the recent years.

Personally, I think the DOW is a bit over valued now. Should be about 11,500 at best. But not lower than 10k.

And so, an increase or decrease of 100, 200 ... not a big deal. 38 points ... non-event.
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xchrom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-02-11 02:01 PM
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6. & stay tuned for this: Fresh signs point to lousy May job report
http://www.marketwatch.com/story/fresh-signs-point-to-lousy-may-job-report-2011-06-02

WASHINGTON (MarketWatch) — Fresh signs the U.S. economy has hit a soft patch have led economists to expect a disappointing May jobs report on Friday morning.

Economists polled by MarketWatch expect payroll growth decelerated to 125,000 jobs in May from a healthy 244,000 in April when the Labor Department releases data at 8:30 a.m. Eastern.

This would be the smallest increase since January and well below the three-month average of 233,000 job gains.
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JoePhilly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-02-11 02:17 PM
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10. I love the phrase "smallest increase".
Its like begging for bad news.

The reality is that we've had a steady string of INCREASES ... some larger than others. During the recession, we had an endless string of LOSSES.
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xchrom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-02-11 02:26 PM
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14. Removing Jobs as Job #1
http://economicpopulist.org/content/removing-jobs-job-1

Have you noticed despite the never ending jobs crisis, Jobs are removed from the political dialog? The unemployed are no longer mentioned? Or if they are, we get absurd nonsense policy that will actually do the opposite? Ship more jobs overseas and lose jobs?

Paul Krugman calls out this sweeping the unemployed under the rug, in an op-ed, Against Learned Helplessness. Krugman calls for policies, that would actually work, to create jobs.

we could have W.P.A.-type programs putting the unemployed to work doing useful things like repairing roads — which would also, by raising incomes, make it easier for households to pay down debt. We could have a serious program of mortgage modification, reducing the debts of troubled homeowners. We could try to get inflation back up to the 4 percent rate that prevailed during Ronald Reagan’s second term, which would help to reduce the real burden of debt.

Right on Krugman and if only politicians would follow the call. What Krugman doesn't mention is the trade deficit or confronting China on currency manipulation, which once again, we get more inaction by Geithner on China:

The Obama administration on Friday declined to cite China for manipulating its currency to gain trade advantages against the United States but said the pace of the currency's rise against the dollar needs to be accelerated.

The Treasury Department noted that China has been allowing its currency to rise against the dollar since last June, but it said Beijing needs to make more rapid progress. America's trade deficit with China hit a record high last year.

The department's finding came in a report it must submit to Congress every six months determining whether other countries are manipulating their currencies. American manufacturers have been pushing for China to be cited. That could result in penalty tariffs on Chinese imports.

U.S. manufacturers believe China's currency is undervalued against the dollar by as much as 40 percent. This makes Chinese goods cheaper in the U.S. market and American products more expensive in China.



ADP Employment Report Only 38,000 Private Sector Jobs Added in May 2011

http://economicpopulist.org/content/adp-employment-report-only-38000-private-sector-jobs-added-may-2011

ADP is reporting the service sector created 48,000 jobs while the goods sector lost 10,000 jobs. The ADP tab on manufacturing is down 9,000 jobs for the month. 6,000 jobs were lost in financial services as well. This correlations to the recent initial unemployment claims reports, which spiked up past 400,000, and are staying there.

Construction dropped 8,000 jobs and the ADP notes over 2 million construction jobs have been lost since the start of the Great Recession.

We take the ADP report with a grain of salt, especially on a monthly basis. Why? Because there is a mismatch against the BLS jobs report. To date, the number of private nonfarm payroll jobs ADP reports versus what the BLS reports and on a month-to-month and even cumulative basis don't match. This monthly error is often large, especially when looking at small job growth overall (< 400,000 jobs per month) on a month to month basis.

Below is the cumulative difference between what the ADP reports as the private nonfarm payroll jobs vs. the BLS (ADP minus BLS). This line shows the divergence, over time in number of nonfarm private payroll jobs reported between the two reports. This post will updated to include the May BLS numbers when released on Friday.

in short -- no new net jobs since 2000.
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JoePhilly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-02-11 03:21 PM
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15. Since 2000 ....
ahhh ... Obama has to re-create all of the jobs lost under 8 years of Bush in 2 years.

Gotcha.
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xchrom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-02-11 06:12 PM
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17. A serious jobs program might have helped? Nt
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lib2DaBone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-02-11 01:51 PM
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2. $4 gas is a killer...
The Wall Street thugs and CONgress JDGI (just don't get it)
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BillyJack Donating Member (653 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-02-11 01:52 PM
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3. *damn*
Just another 'buying opportunity' at the casino :eyes: or should I :bounce: (if I were a 'player' ~ which I am NOT)
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JoePhilly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-02-11 02:14 PM
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9. The Dow drops 15 points and that's a buying opportunity?
That's how much the DOW is currently down today.
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BillyJack Donating Member (653 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-02-11 04:41 PM
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16. I SAID I wasn't a playa......
obviously that's a good thing, in my case.
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OHdem10 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-02-11 01:57 PM
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4. States are laying off workers at all levels, from Police, Teachers
to office personnel.
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RKP5637 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-02-11 02:11 PM
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7. The domino effect is being amplified. The backbone that made this country
great over decades started getting broken in the 80's. No way IMO is recovery going to be short or simple. We are basically using the same tools IMO, trickle down and voodoo economics.

We need a radical change in our economic policy, the really monied and powerful are going to strangle this country for every last cent. And for the most part they are insular to the hardships and damage being handed out to much of America. None can wave a magical wand and fix this.

The greed runs so deep many don't want any change at all.
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JoePhilly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-02-11 02:19 PM
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12. Thank the GOP.
This is what the GOP has been doing in many states.

Their goal is to make sure that the economy recovers very slowly, and that gains in private sector employment are off set as they layoff state workers.

And then, Romney goes on TV and blames Obama as GOP Governors layoff workers.
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