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Nuclear Unicorn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-05-11 06:29 PM
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This is what I meant a few months back about "envying" the Tea Party
I took a lot of heat for that (and was resoundingly rebuked for suggesting the congress would pass to the GOP).

Anyway, this (in general) is what I was referring to.

Tea Party leaders not swayed by Lugar meeting
By: CNN Political Producer Peter Hamby

Washington (CNN) - Hoping to head off a primary challenge from the right, Sen. Richard Lugar, R-Indiana, sat down with Tea Party leaders last month but did little to persuade them of his conservative credentials.

...

"The Senator said he hoped he could earn the support of the Tea Party, and that he is conservative," said Greg Fettig, the co-founder of Hoosier Patriots. Fettig was joined in the meeting by Monica Boyer of Kosciusko "Silent No More," a Tea Party group in northeast Indiana.

"We obviously would beg to differ that he is conservative, and our experience is that he won't get the support of any Tea Party group across the state," Fettig told CNN. "This is something that has really been building for years. A lot of Tea Party people have said, 'Who is this guy? He might as well have a 'D' in front of his name.'"

Fettig and Boyer originally requested the meeting as representatives of Hoosiers for Conservative Senate, an organization of roughly 60 Tea Party groups formed to find a conservative primary challenger to Lugar, or force his retirement.


http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2011/01/05/tea-party-leaders-not-swayed-by-lugar-meeting/

When R's eat their own they get more, stronger R's

When D's eat their own they get more, stronger...R's?



They scream and holler, their people move right.

We scream and holler and we're told we need to be drug tested.



Republicans crawl and hand and knee like supplicants.

Ours tell us to get in line to buy insurance from the people we said we didn't want to buy insurance from.


What gives?

And why do we keep going back?

:shrug:

Disclaimer.

I'm on a deep, abiding cynical streak right now. I don't trust any of them. My (staunchly conservative) husband says my distrust of the halls of power coupled with progressive ideals will surely turn me into a libertarian. I wanted to smack the grin off his adorably boyish face that I love so much but for those who don't truck with conservatives, many of them despise libertarians. He loves me better as a progressive.
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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-05-11 06:33 PM
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1. Because we lack the god of American power, money.
We're just citizens.
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Nuclear Unicorn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-05-11 06:35 PM
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2. Yet Obama hammered McCain on fund raising and it was genuine grassroots
We have the power.

We just need something more than promises in the dark.
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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-05-11 09:53 PM
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12. It's still about the money.
Without huge caches of money, we don't have the influence in today's political climate.
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Uzybone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-05-11 06:36 PM
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3. then find a 3rd party
or join the Tealiban.

The only thing to admire about the Tealiban is that instead of just complain, they acted.
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Nuclear Unicorn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-05-11 06:47 PM
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5. I'm guessing you didn't read past the headline
Because the gist of the OP is the fact that the TP seems to get their reps to jump for them while ours act offended when we express our side of the debate.

But here's the problem.

A vote for a 3rd party is a vote for the GOP.

That's why the TP went to the GOP so as to not split that vote. They primaried quite a few of their own and those who weren't up for re-election this past cycle, such as Lugar, are scared crapless of them and are begging their forgiveness.

OK, fine, so I decide I don't want to split the vote.

But then I'm voting for people who take my time, money and ballot for granted and treat me as if I'm bothering them for telling them what they ned to do to earn my vote the next time around.

It's not about poorly constructed puns laced with sour invective.

How do we get them to listen to us (and why is that question met with so much hostility)?
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Uzybone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-05-11 06:51 PM
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8. the primary process
Lets place more liberal candidates on the ballot.
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Ozymanithrax Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-05-11 06:45 PM
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4. There are two parties in this country that can be in control...
Edited on Wed Jan-05-11 06:46 PM by Ozymanithrax
One is Republican and the other is Democrat.

You could move your vote to a third party, that will never get people elected, and lose the small incremental changes to the good that occur under Democrats by putting Republicans in power.

It is sad, but in our current system, there can be only two.
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WCGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-05-11 06:49 PM
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6. Subtly is lost on many message boards...
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Nuclear Unicorn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-05-11 06:58 PM
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9. I think I'm beginning to notice that
:hi:
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jberryhill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-05-11 07:04 PM
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10. Never assume a position for the sake of discussion

Some people can not understand "arguendo" if their lives depended on it.
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walldude Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-05-11 06:49 PM
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7. Some of us don't keep going back.
For some of us enough is enough. Of course we are the "fucking re***ds" who need "drug rehab" while we live in "la la land" and leave the reality based Democratic party to the grown ups. :rofl:

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orwell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-05-11 08:17 PM
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11. It is because the Tea Party...
...aligns with corporate power, whether they realize it or not.

Progressives/Liberals often fight corporate power. By and large, that is why the corporate beholden politician to the Left/Center has to dismiss us. They can't anger the corporate lobby/money phalanx that they need to keep them in power.

Money talks, idealism walks.

It's always been this way.

What is amazing is that so many people are surprised by this.

It's not ideological, it's political survival in the corrupt, money drenched politics of 2010.
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GeorgeGist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-05-11 11:16 PM
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13. Envy away sweetheart ...
it probably explains why you married a Republican.
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Nuclear Unicorn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-06-11 01:54 PM
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16. WTH? I married him because he's the sweetest person I've ever known
What? You think I never dated a progressive guy?

And what's with the "sweetheart" crap? Do you address men that way or just "chicks"?

Not all conservatives are bad (I'm not the only one here married to one) and not all progressive men are pillars of virtue, as they can be just as prone petty jealousies and sexist slurs.
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RagAss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-06-11 12:09 AM
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14. Because we live in the Age of the American Cretin.
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BzaDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-06-11 12:15 AM
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15. It did get them stronger conservatives, like Sharon Angle and Ken Buck and Christine O'Donnell
who all happened to lose, destroying any chance they had at 60 votes after 2012 even in the best case scenario for them.
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