Are The Democrats And Republicans Just Playing "Good Cop/Bad Cop" For The Global Corporatists ???

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and I didn't have to read beyond the subject line.

there is no reason to vote that I can see - you just get the same bullshit excuses to fuck over the American people and suck up to the corporate elite.

they can all go to hell as far as I'm concerned.

At least most of them are. There are a FEW Dems who, IMO, really ARE on the side of the working class. But not many.

Much more accurate description.

I guess I shoulda looked before I leaped...

crave a simple black/white good/evil world. It's easier than dealing with complexity.

work, is tied up with institutional behavior. then of course, there are the real and significant differences between the parties.

The effect is always:

The rich gain and the poor lose.

--imm

just a LITTLE class warfare. Cause right now it's just a class massacre.

so you will not even try to explain why this is not a plutocratic duopoly.

and just who's in on it?

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Is that better?

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however, there are also enough who are NOT, who are on "our side," that I can't simply throw my hands up and say "We're just fucked, fuck it all." Not that that's what you're saying, but if anyone thinks that then I'd urge them not to give up.

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The tea leaves are NOT good!

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I haven't made up my mind yet... says volumes that you already have...

However... I prefer to comment on the next two years.

Get used to it.

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I hear what you're saying though. Someone I know went to work for the census and left totally disillusioned. The amount of corruption, blatant lawbreaking, and manipulation was unbelievable. Was basically the only one there who refused to commit crimes and everyone was either in on it or didn't care, no matter how high up they went pursuing it. And the census determines everything - which districts the money goes to, Congressional representation, you name it.

But what I would say is that even if you don't think it's possible to win, at least make things as hard as you can. Death by a thousand paper cuts, if you will.

We need to see Barack Obama bloody their noses... metaphorically of course...

Because as of this moment... a nice curt "talking to" isn't gonna cut it.

The Class War is about to go into full bloom, and I cannot tell which side my President is on.

MAJOR problem.

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He's only ever punched us.

Why would today be different?

Supporting the health care legislation.

What a jerk!!!

Even though the "System" screwed him but good...

I'm trying to determine whether or not, I can still work within the system.

Right now... the jury is out.

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Unless you want to consider 2nd amendment remedies.

I can Vote for Democrats I agree with, and feel support my views, and support the Democratic Platform for the past 40 or 50 years.

I can also leave certain candidate's ballot boxes BLANK.

CANNOT vote for a Republican, but DO NOT HAVE TO vote for a Democrat.

Let y'all work it out amongst yourselves.

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Vote, don't vote ... those are WITHIN the system.

senatorial candidate can advocate for "2nd Amendment remedies" and STILL run for the Senate, but a leftie saying the same thing would be assassinated.

It is that simple.

If a person in the media really challenges a GOP member, they are accused of being unpatriotic. Which terrifies most of the media.

Earlier today, I saw Ratigan on MSNBC call a Congressional Democrat a LIAR. To her face. I have never seen ANY interviewer make such a claim on MSNBC, CNN, or FOX.

GOP members can go on that same show and LIE, and never be challenged ... Ratigan had no problem hitting a Dem with that accusation, even thought the point in question could be debated.

And Ratigan is on the "liberal" MSNBC ... I can't wait to hear him call a GOP member a liar during an interview. I will not hold my breath.

Advocated or not, when inequalities get to French Royal Family levels, shit happens.

We even liked Castro in the beginning.

but, I realize MSNBC/CNBC has always tarted up their commentators. I remember Howard Fineman appearing one day and I spewed coffee because he had obviously done an "at home die job" and half of his head was colored "red/brown" and a flip over streak was hanging there. Next time I saw him he got it color corrected and he was back to mixed grey/white.

I wouldn't think Howard would need to dye his hair....

I DO BELIEVE he is trying to be supportive of Obama at this point ...but it doesn't mean he isn't trying to build a better Party behind the scenes.

He just needs to get those MSNBC MakeUp/HairStylist Artists off his BACK! He probably didn't even know what they were doing to him in the Pre Op!

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And I'm starting to think the odd fellow like Grayson and Kucinich, while they might be honsest in an of themselves, are seen by the other guys as a fucking great way of rubbing OUR noses in the ultimate inefectuality of opposition.

are all just like Michelle Bachmann and Jim Inhofe.

Christ, the stupidity of this place amazes me sometimes.

"Just quit already then. You have our permission to drop out and do nothing., nt"

Good advice, no???

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who do not tow the corporate party line

They are trotted out to talk to the various "flanks" when grumbling is heard, while the party powers roll their eyes. Then, when party unity is demanded, they line up like ducks in a row... don't let the perfection pander be the enemy of the press cycle.

They are the Colmes to the political Hannity... the in-house "voices of the people". The fact that they are different "voices" is inconsequential.

And, they earn their pay during elections by scaring out the vote on the other side.

It's a racket... an unconscious, non-conspiratorial racket, but a racket nonetheless.

I might agree on the "stupidity of this place", but would probably come up with different names.

n/t

it's quite bizarre to try to be objective and passive...and not get one's inner gut in turmoil over the coverage and what the camera showed today. Of course, there could be things we didn't see...but, then there is the print media and what's left of the reality blogosphere that has "eyes" out there that can be more reliable that the other two.

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They're playing Bad Cop and Worse Cop!

sad but true - good call.

And the damned American voter is So stupid it keeps voting for the bad cop anyway!!!!
They even mess up the Good cop bad cop system.:puke:

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the Dems, as a whole, are not on our side. they are part of the problem at this point. and their "good cop" really doesn't even seem that good. :(

....yes, and it's become a little too obvious....they all need to return to acting school and brush-up on their roles....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i5dBZDSSky0

"The politicians are put there to give you the idea that you have freedom of choice. You don’t. You have no choice. You have owners. They own you. They own everything. They own all the important land. They own, and control the corporations. They’ve long since bought, and paid for the Senate, the Congress, the state houses, the city halls, they got the judges in their back pockets and they own all the big media companies, so they control just about all of the news and information you get to hear."

"...and now they’re coming for your Social Security money. They want your fuckin' retirement money. They want it back so they can give it to their criminal friends on Wall Street, and you know something? They’ll get it. They’ll get it all from you sooner or later cause they own this fuckin' place. It’s a big club and you ain't in it. You and I are not in The big club."

The brainwashing is so deep in this country that it was the only way he could speak truth to people & have it sink in.
He had to masquerade as a "comedian" to speak about the tragedies of American life.
The funny thing is that quote of Carlin's you used got met with wooos & cheers from the audience he spoke to.
I know that it's probably more responding to George's plainspoken bluntness & insight but his words should rightly cause anger & a change in viewpoint.

"It's a big club...and you ain't in it. You and I are not in The Big Club!"
"WOOOOOOOO! *clap clap clap* YEEEEAAAAHH!! *clap clap clap clap*"

Yep, no wonder he had to be a "comedian".
John Lucas

At least for some...

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:hi:

Walmart, or Wallstreet?

there wouldn't be an intelligent person who would believe this anymore. Nader voters bought this no difference crap hook line and sinker and instead of giving Gore a big enough cushion so the election couldn't the stolen. We got the wost president ever. The tax cuts and Iraq certainly would've never happened. Maybe with a competent administration the 9/11 attacks are flushed out and stopped before they happen. The purist crowd would've bashed Gore during his terms like them do Obama, but at the end of the day world would've been a much better place.

That proves something to me. I'm glad I voted for him and I'm glad that at least I was on the right side of history.

the bad cop insults your mother, puts a plastic bag over your head, and beats you, the good cop gives you a glass of water, lights you a smoke and beats you

and a glass of water!

and is the essential here, i got crumbs from good cop and a foot up the ass.... bad cop takes my crumbs for himself then puts his foot up my ass

Sometimes it seems like it's all just political theater and the dominoes are already set-up in advance for us.

I truly believe they are ALL on the same side and it sure the hell isn't the side of the people. :mad:

And we have to begin to decide whether there is anything worth saving of the

Democratic Party?

Granted, we can continue on with the Dems and the slower ride into corporate fascism ...

but the slide to the right will continue to accelerate.

That's the only logical explanation I can think of.

Back when Democrats in the Senate worked against Jimmy Carter's agenda.
We have never recovered.

Now that's entertainment!

How very un-American of you. Love our politicians performances or leave it!

USA! USA!

Um, what's on American Idol this week?



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--imm

Anyone who still doubts it is crazy, complicit, or just not paying attention.

A few Democrats are playing Wikileaks

A few Republicans are playing Grand Theft Auto

And a fair number of Republicans are playing A Nightmare On Elm Street

principled people in Washington - a very few

It has always been this way.
Neither Republicans nor Democrats are your friend.
Neither Republicans nor Democrats are in your corner.

Once this knowledge becomes the rule rather than the exception in people's minds, then things will start to change.
The only party I belong to is the Mario Party. Political parties are just a waste of time.
John Lucas

I am so sad to say so, and that I got taken in for a while.

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In the end they're both still cops.