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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-05-11 11:47 PM
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Hospital had to repay over a million to Medicare...kept frail seniors overnight for spinal procedure
So this is considered Medicare overbilling? And the hospital finds it cheaper to pay it back than to try to prove that many of the seniors needed the overnight stay?

This is ridiculous. To send some seniors home the same day after a spinal procedure is dangerous.

This is why I got so very angry that a man the president picked to lead the way on Social Security and Medicare called seniors "the greediest generation".

LRMC to Pay $1,660,134 In Medicare Overbilling Dispute

Lakeland Regional Medical Center and six other hospitals in six states are paying more than $6.3 million to settle federal allegations they overbilled Medicare for kyphoplasty procedures done to treat some spinal fractures.

..."LRMC's payment is $1,660,134, which Bob ­Puterbaugh, LRMC's lawyer, said is an amount 2.25 times the difference between the cost of doing those procedures on an outpatient basis and admitting the patients for one night as inpatients.

That's the crux of the dispute that led to the settlement announced Tuesday: The government contends LRMC and other hospitals performed the procedures on an inpatient basis to increase their Medicare billings when some could have been done as outpatient surgeries.


The lawyer gave some examples of those who were kept overnight. Very frail senior citizens with multiple problems. The greediest generation??

Puterbaugh shared examples, with names removed, of patients who had gotten the treatment and their multiple, coexisting health conditions. One patient who had the procedure was 94, living alone, and had degenerative arthritis, osteoporosis and previous colon cancer and had recently fallen.

A 75-year-old was a diabetic on insulin, had heart disease, previous cardiac arrest after surgery, previous ministrokes, osteoporosis and breast cancer that had spread. That patient was considered at risk of falls.


In November two federal courts ruled that the Obama administration was using standards for Medicare that were too strict. That was with a Democratic congress and Democratic president. That truly offends me.

Those courts referred to skilled nursing home care and home health care.

Medicare Standards Too Strict, 2 Courts Find

WASHINGTON | Two federal courts have ruled that the Obama administration is using overly strict standards to determine whether older Americans are entitled to Medicare coverage of skilled nursing home care and home health care.

..."The rulings are potentially significant for many people with chronic conditions and disabilities like multiple sclerosis, Alzheimer's disease and broken hips. Skilled care may be reasonable and necessary and covered by Medicare even if the person's condition is stable and unlikely to improve, the courts said.

The government has not said whether it intends to appeal either decision.

Rep. Joe Courtney, D-Conn., welcomed the decisions. "People with chronic conditions are being denied care in the mistaken belief that Medicare requires improvement of a person's condition as a prerequisite for coverage," Courtney said Monday. "That's not in the law. It's urban legend."


I have learned that many younger people think Medicare comes without cost. It does not. Monthly Medicare payments are taken out of Social Security payments, and most pay in addition for Medicare Advantage or prescription drug care. I have seen 0 co-pay plans advertised, but they deny many services.

Keeping an elderly at-risk person overnight for any procedure should be the decision of the doctor, not Medicare officials sitting in their offices...not insurance companies handling Advantage plans.




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CountAllVotes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-05-11 11:55 PM
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1. these hospitals have it all figured out
Edited on Thu Jan-06-11 12:00 AM by CountAllVotes
They'll have the bill to you within a week of discharge. They have that all figured out too, as Medicare only pays for so much and most people don't have much in many cases. They know exactly how much they will get from Medicare and the patient.

Now it seems that many physicians are having their patients go to a nurse practitioner being they are so overloaded. They also get less from the Medicare patient so who wants one of them?

The greediest generation? And $1500.00 a month is being paid to these crooks only to be insulted, lied to, cheated and abused?

The sad story above is one of greed alright, but it has nothing to do with the sick person. It is not at all uncommon as that is how Medicare works, like it or not and yes, you pay for it alright. :(

Medicare for All ... :sarcasm:

:kick:

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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-06-11 12:00 AM
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2. Are you blaming the medical practioneers and not Medicare?
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CountAllVotes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-06-11 12:02 AM
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3. sadly ...
Edited on Thu Jan-06-11 12:05 AM by CountAllVotes
it is a bizarre yet intricate relationship where one depends upon the other one. I blame both of them for that reason alone.

Sickening! :puke:
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-06-11 01:26 AM
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4. Trouble is the insurance companies seem to be in control.
With hubby's illness this year I saw some real dedication by doctors who have to hire extra staff to just figure out Medicare codes. None are faultless, but the real power seems to be with insurance right now.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-06-11 02:06 AM
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5. Here are the other states involved...
Sounds like a whistleblower lawsuit. They get part of the profit if I understand that correctly.

There's fraud, and then there's fraud. Any procedure, esp. spinal, can be dangerous for seniors in ill health.

Fraudulent? The lawsuit assumes they were kept over night for financial reasons, and hospitals can't afford to pursue it and give the reasons. That's not fraudulent.

http://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/hospital-medicare-fraud-settlements-bring-total-recovered-from-whistleblower-lawsuit-to-101-million-112895029.html

"Seven more hospitals have agreed to pay the government a total of $6.3 million to settle a whistleblower lawsuit that exposed the fraudulent billing practices of hospitals that overcharged Medicare for a type of back surgery known as "kyphoplasty," the Department of Justice announced today. The hospitals are located in Alabama, Florida, Mississippi, North Carolina, South Carolina and Texas.

"These hospitals chose to keep kyphoplasty patients overnight simply for their financial needs rather than for the patients' needs," said Matt Smith, a Washington, DC, attorney with Phillips & Cohen LLP, which represented the whistleblowers. "In most cases, kyphoplasty can be done safely as an outpatient procedure, which costs Medicare much less than an overnight stay."

"The whistleblowers, Chuck Bates and Craig Patrick, are former employees of Kyphon Inc. Phillips & Cohen filed a "qui tam" (whistleblower) lawsuit on their behalf against Kyphon and a number of hospitals in 2008 federal district court in Buffalo. The False Claims Act provides that whistleblowers who bring qui tam lawsuits receive a reward of 15 percent to 25 percent of the amount the government recovers as a result of their case.

"The whistleblower lawsuit continues to return money to the federal fisc, in large part due to the hard work and diligence of the U.S. Attorney's Office in Buffalo," said Tim McCormack, a Washington, DC, attorney with Phillips & Cohen LLP. "Because two ordinary citizens decided to challenge a fraudulent billing practice, hospitals are repaying millions they took from Medicare."

"Lakeland Regional Medical Center, Lakeland, Florida -- $1,660,134

Seton Medical Center, Austin, Texas -- $1,232,956

Greenville Memorial Hospital, Greenville, S.C.-- $1,026,764

The Health Care Authority of Lauderdale County and the City of Florence, Ala., dba the Coffee Health Group (formerly known as Eliza Coffee Memorial Hospital) -- $676,038

Presbyterian Orthopaedic Hospital, Charlotte, N.C. -- $637,872

St. Dominic-Jackson Memorial Hospital, Jackson, Mississippi -- $555,949

The Health Care Authority of Morgan County – City of Decatur dba Decatur General Hospital, Decatur, Alabama -- $537,893"
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-06-11 11:30 AM
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6. It's upsetting they call this Medicare "fraud".
It is not fraud in the sense that doctors should make the decision, not people who used to work for a company that developed the procedure.

And it is not just in this instance. Medical facilities are sending sick people home all too often for fear of this very thing.
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madrchsod Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-06-11 04:57 PM
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7. older folks need to stay overnight after most operations
i have no idea what the hell the government is thinking.

the percentage i`ll be paying for medicare is more than my wife is paying for her employer insurance.
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Lydia Leftcoast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-06-11 05:05 PM
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8. My brother the doctor says that Medicare regulations are so complex
that you can violate them without intending to. They seem to take the approach of, "We'll assume that you're trying to defraud us and make you jump through hoops to prove that whatever you ordered is medically necessary."

Over the years, the insurance company mindset appears to have infiltrated Medicare. He is not for "Medicare for all" unless some changes are made.
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BobbyBoring Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-06-11 05:10 PM
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9. I'm just glad
We live in the country with the "Greatest Health Care System In The World"! If the hospital doesn't kill you doing whatever it's doing, the insurance cos. want you out as soon as possible. While that may just be protecting the patient from getting MERSA, Sepsis, or other hospital borne illness, I doubt that is the case.

People are being booted from their beds after all kinds of pretty major surgeries. Until we get insurance cos and lawyers out of the health care system, it will keep getting worse~
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onethatcares Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-06-11 05:14 PM
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10. so they collect the money,draw interest on it, pay a fine less than
what they bilked Medicare out of. One question.


Did rick scott come up with this idea?
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-06-11 05:27 PM
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12. You think they "bilked" Medicare by keeping someone over night????
I do not, and I find it odd that you do.
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onethatcares Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-07-11 05:20 AM
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18. my mistake but I just got done reading what the procedure is
and for many it would not be an overnight hospital stay. For the 94 year old, definitely it would be.

I believe the problem came up due to some patients being kept overnight instead of being discharged directly after surgery.
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Horse with no Name Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-06-11 05:23 PM
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11. About 3 years ago I had a job offer
It was a company hired by Medicare to go back and expose fraudulent billing practices.
They hired teams of RN's to sift through records and match up the services, physician's notes and the bills submitted.
The company said that the job was guaranteed AT LEAST for 20 years.
Amazingly, the state they started in was Florida.
I guess these are the results.
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midnight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-06-11 05:50 PM
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13. K&R I want Cadillac care that our tax dollars generously pay out to congress.
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BeFree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-06-11 05:58 PM
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14. Yeah right
The single payer should have no say so about what it is paying for?

Glad these hospitals got caught, and they don't even try to make a defense?
Guilty as charged. Glad the government isn't taking this laying down. Someone needs to keep the hospitals straight and a bit honest, eh?
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trud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-06-11 07:44 PM
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15. what Medicare costs an individual
Edited on Thu Jan-06-11 07:53 PM by trud
Re: "I have learned that many younger people think Medicare comes without cost. It does not. Monthly Medicare payments are taken out of Social Security payments, and most pay in addition for Medicare Advantage or prescription drug care. I have seen 0 co-pay plans advertised, but they deny many services. "

Medicare Advantage plans are a rip off. Medigap plans + Medicare provide the same benefits and cost the government and Seniors less money. The only reason Medicare Advantage exists is due to the friends of BigInsurance in Congress.

I am pretty healthy, that is, I have a lot of stuff wrong, but I'm more or less functional and at my age I'm grateful for that. Last year (these numbers courtesy of my end of year number crunching) this is what Medicare and its friends cost me:

Medicare Plan A (doctors) already paid by working life taxes.

Medicare Plan B (hospitals) $96.40 x12 = $1156.80

Medicare Plan D (prescriptions via AARP MedicareRx Preferred PDP plan) $40.80 x 12 = $489.60

AARP Medigap (sits in top of Medicare) $1690.00 for 2011.

$4600 for prescription copays and the donut hole.

$500 for not covered stuff like annual mammogram, checkup, etc. Most of this will be covered in 2011 due to Obamacare. (I love to call it that, because when people start to see benefits they will thank the right person.)

I had one hospital stay for which I forked out not one dime, and I have no copays or deductibles.


So that's about $710 a month. I hope for significant prescription savings in 2011, in the donut hole and the premiums for Plan D have already dropped 25%, due to Obamacare.
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kas125 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-06-11 11:25 PM
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16. Medicare doesn't pay for the first night of a hospital stay
anyway. My dad has been hospitalized nine times in the six and a half years that I've lived with him since my mom died. We just got the bill for his last stay and I went to the hospital to make the payment arrangement for him yesterday. Medicare does not pay for the first day of any hospital stay.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-06-11 11:27 PM
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17. There is a deductible.
Once that is met they pay. It's not very big.
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trud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-08-11 05:28 AM
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19. first day of a hospital stay
My AARP Medigap policy covers that.
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