Can we stop pretending like everyone is morally correct. Everyone loves sex!

Everyone lust after different people and always will until the day you die.

please dont lump me in a catagory that you chose. not everyone makes these immature and hurtful choices.

nature. I don't know if you are religious or what, but lusting is a sin according to the bible.

i dont lust after others, not that i dont get what you are saying, but i have a man that takes care of me, is still fun and really have no need or desire to.

no, not religious at all.

just happy, content and satisfied.

the point of your post though appears to be saying that weiner did nothing we all dont do, and i argue that.

Weiner could have made the same choice. Weiner chose marriage. Marriage comes with fidelity to at least one other person.

the intimate details of the Weiner marriage, or any marriage, for that matter?

and it is a given if a couple has an open marriage, then both are ok with it and a nonissue

Not always. But you understand that.

(That would be sarcasm, by the way. Some people always need to hear that.)

whatever. it is what it is and theirs to do. i really dont care. simply going off what he said.

and need have no relation to reality.

If they did have an arrangement, at this point it would be awfully stupid of him to say so and I would think not saying so is defensible. Because that is still nobody else's business and he and she would be punished for it by all the small-minded hypocrites out there.

Maybe he should be punished if he actually harrassed anyone with his dumb photos, but should they be punished for their arrangement, if they had one?

that is a mere guess.

again

that is irrelevant. my issue is, we lost his loud voice as he will sit submissively in his seat. which dems needed and valued. he validate brett whatever. he may ultimately have to resign, losing a good dem.

that is my only issue with the whole thing

but i dont make up stories to argue a point

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We have the pseudo moral code which isn't realistic.

People lie, end of story. Some lie about sex and some lie about weapons of mass destruction in Iraq. I'll settle for the former, rather than trying to find those non-existent people who don't lie.

It's not the end of the story. There are consequences for lying and people elected to public office should not willfully deceive their electorate. I think Bill Clinton was a great president, and he LIED about having sex with Monica. Should he have been impeached for it? Absolutely not! Were there consequence? Yep --- huge, just ask Al Gore about the consequences. Ya see, the story does not end.

better off we will be as a nation.

morality, religion, and too much government is bad.

I don't think we should give a fuck who politicians (or anybody) fucks as long as they are consenting adults - but politics is a full contact sport, and I for one would prefer my elected officials to simply tell the truth.

but if that indeed was a consuming desire, then perhaps he shouldn't have gone into politics. Nothing terribly wrong if a man desires to fuck college girls, but understandably that might conflict with certain career choices. I don't look at it as a matter of morals, I look at it as a question of judgement.

and any politician who doesn't understand that is going to get themselves in trouble.

Because their lies hurt the Democratic Party, then yes I can agree somewhat with that sentiment. But if your argument is that they are deserving of our condemnation because it's morally righteous to be forthcoming with the electorate about your perfectly legal sexual indiscretions, then no I don't agree. Everybody is human and holding our politicians to a higher standard than we hold ourselves in that regard is ridiculous. There are no angels, there are just people. If they are completely honest with the public about everything except their sex life, I'd say that as far as people go they're pretty good.

His lying hurt his party, his cause, and his career.

Otherwise he can claim he was a star quarterback and went to the moon.

I suppose if he actually committed any crimes that would be bad, too.

I imagine we often hold people to higher standards than we hold ourselves.

I don't know very many of them who try to implicate someone else in having committed a potential crime in order to have others believe the lies.

Weiner didn't just lie about what he did...he LIED when he said someone else hacked his account.



Lie if you must...just don't try to implicate other people or make yourself a "victim".

One should make it a practice to avoid behaving irresponsibly.

Ok, that works for some people.

But in the real world saying no one can be guilty of anything if their accuser has ever committed a wrong is a recipe for disaster.

I'm actually not saying that he who is without sin can cast the first stone nor am I interpreting that to mean that we should never judge liars. What I am saying that everybody lies about something and expecting politicians who do are 100% honest is ridiculous since human beings are not 100% honest. So given the choice between those who lie about tweeting pictures of their junk and those who lie about weapons of mass destruction in Iraq or 93% of Planned Parenthood activities funding abortion, I'll save my condemnation for the the latter two. For the first one, unless it's my significant other tweeting their junk, I can live with them lying about it since it's not any of my damn business in the first place.

is the "without sin" argument in a nutshell.

Most everyone speeds at some point, that won't get you out of a ticket when you get caught.

Anthony Weiner should get a strong reprimand by the House for his conduct. It's more or less the equivalent of a speeding ticket. Obviously we should expect our politicians to tell the truth and punish them when they don't. However, there wouldn't be any left if they were always expected to resign for lying. Likewise, if we sent everyone to prison for speeding, we'd need a whole lot more prisons.

And that didn't stop him from being one of the greatest Presidents in history. Of course that's when nobody knew nor cared.

icky people on the Internet.

...sort of like those anonymous icky people we sit around and have discussions with all day, like on DU?

I mean, we should be talking only to people we have at least MET. It's the only decent thing.

...however, I was commenting on the "ooh those icky Internet people" statement, as if meeting the same people in person would insulate one from exposure (ask Ted Haggard about that), and as if it is ickier to have virtual illicit relationships than to have real-world illicit relationships.

....please.

Or at least I think he was channeling Henny Youngman.

Not everybody loves sex.

Some people can do without it, thank you very much.

I too have a personal history of many lovers before I married (my spouse is the same), and after a LOT of experience, we just clicked. Everyone can "love sex", but that doesn't mean that married folks are free to just keep experimenting. When you marry, you commit to just that one person. Obviously Mr. Weiner didn't get the "til death do us part" vows.

I'm 50, my spouse is 50+. Nobody is looking at us a sex objects anymore. If we stray, it's because we sought out the experience and purposefully chose to break our vows. My husband is a professional athlete. He's approached all the time. He has to make those choices daily.

He can lust. I can lust. But there's a choice to make about going beyond fidelity and into infidelity. Open flirting, sexting, oral sex, real sex. All of those are betrayals with varying degrees but ultimately they break the marital bond of faith, trust and respect.

Sounds like Weiner went way beyond his vows.

You seem to be trying to equivocate Weiner and Clinton as simply ogling lovely young thangs. Their indiscretions have taken it far beyond marital fidelity.

While I get annoyed at my husband's "fan club", that doesn't mean he's allowed to transgress in any way shape or form.

backstage passes, host video shows, make music, and hang out with hip hop and r&b stars. We had women throwing themselves at us at the time I was 19. I did not say no to those women nor did my friends. Bill Clinton and Anthony Weiner fucked up, because they were married and are politicians. I can imagine that the President has a lot of women throwing themselves at him. If he is faithful nothing will come out, but I can tell you I know it is hard as hell to say no. Anthony Weiner should've known better. Both should have admitted it.

Or are you trying to excuse famous people succumbing to the daily onslaught?

I don't think any of them should "admit it", I believe they should remain true to their marriage vows of fidelity. Is that unrealistic?

Sorry but in "my world", my husband is a rock star. I know he has groupies. I demand and expect fideilty. Do I know he's 100% fidelitous? Only to the degree that he may find a way to cheat on me in some nanosecond of his day since we're together 24/7. And even then, it wouldn't escape notice in my world. It would be a matter of scrutiny, discussion and gossip. One of our clients or my daughters, also heavily involved, would tattle.

the thing is, not all famous people cheat. I don't care about lusting in your heart. Who knows the deepest secrets of anyone for gawds sakes, especially those they want to keep down deep. But all in all, one can ultimately divine a true heart's desire in love.

his online sex pals? Certainly not everyone. I know I don't, and I like sex as much as the next guy. I don't even have any online sex pals. Do you?
Who the hell does? I bet not everyone either. I bet not even 10% of everyone do. I am not saying it's illegal or even wrong, I'm just saying it is
not so common as you are making it out to be. I think most regular people would agree that it is a bit freaky to do what he did. We are well used
to our politicians being thieves, liars and philanderers. But freaks and perverts elected to public office rattle us still.

relationship on line.

Not that I ever do it after getting married, but even when I was single and went out to meet women a lot, it would never occur to me
to send my naked pictures to anyone. And I do have things to show too. I wouldn't even want to be friends with anyone who does such
creepy things. Vote a creep like that into a public office? Hell no!

I'm glad to hear you are not an exhibitionist. It's not a happy compulsion. Men seem to get this as a sad compulsion with other causes better than women, who think it's all about sexual gratification.

The confusion of this "lemme show you my dick" behavior with satisfying sex around here is astounding.

Not illegal--well if he were flashing people in alleys he'd be picked up and charged with indecent exposure (and then let go). But it is more a disorder than a crime. In 99% of cases it is a "hands-off paraphilia" (as described in psychological terms). There is no contact, it's all in the thrill of display. It needs working out with a therapist & medical doc. There may even be some organic causes.

"Perverts" in high places...well we ought to be getting used to that by now...but I think you are right in saying that this is a bit outside the norm. Even can be seen as "a cry for help" when it ruins a career and a marriage. I hope his wife stays with him and urges him to get help, if she truly cares.
And I hope he hangs on to his career. He's got company...

They should go after someone for being financially corrupt or a law breaker.

it doesn't mean it's a good idea to stuff your face with hot wings while in a conference in the board room.
There are inappropriate times and places to indulge.

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especially don't lie to your supporters and put them in the position of looking stupid.

I honestly don't see what all the hype is about.

The messier and sweatier the better, I say.

people talk about it like it is a life-altering experience, almost like floating on air or being on an alternate plane...oh,bullshit people

OK, sometimes it was great, other times not so much.

What I don't get is this....obsession...with it.


Seems like literally everything revolves around sex. Like that's the only thing worth living for.

I would be much more disturbed to lose my eyesight or hearing, to tell the truth.


My own libido, which was never that high to begin with, virtually died after Menopause. And I don't even care...

Seriously.

Sex is - quite simply - the reason for living.

or some nonsense like that

You've never had a body shaking 5 minute orgasm that made you tingle from your ears to your toes? You've never had your body go so hypersensitive during sex that even the sensation of rubbing your back across the sheets can trigger another wave of orgasms?

Good sex is better than flying.

I was being serious there-I think it is overrated

is listed in your profile. Could that be a contributing factor to your opinion that sex is grossly overrated?

in the lounge when I was partying..that hasn't happened in a while, and there were other jokes made about that

I don't even see the relationship between the alcohol and sex thing you mentioned..I'm confused

Well, I take that back...I always get a kick out of a couple of our resident know-it-alls and tend to click on their threads.

.. you get it right.

that if you cook cow brains the right way everybody is going to love them.


Or Bluefish. Or Catfish.

I don't care HOW anybody cooks it. I don't like the taste of either, and I certainly am not going to try cow brains. Or caviar, for that matter.


Some things definitely are overrated.

You must be Asexual or had bad experiences.

For whatever amount of time it lasts.

Then what.


Fun? I can have fun reading a good book for two hours. Actually, I'd probably spend an entire day reading if I could. I love reading.

Some might say they think reading as a form of amusement is overrated.

I say, "To each his/her own".


PS...I'm not asexual, and I've never to my knowledge had a terrible experience.

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lie about their desires and habits. Not only to others, but to themselves. Our inability to embrace our sexuality leads to people keeping secret sex lives.

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Huh...What ???

:dilemma:

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when their sexuality will get them in trouble... Tell me, has there been a politician who sent photos of himself to women who hasn't gotten crucified?

That means Weiner either lacked the self control that public office needs, or the intelligence. Take your pick.

even knowing if they were of an adult age. You go happily along and defend that. I won't.

we do about sex, then most of our major problems would be solved.

In my opinion it will take almost 100 million people to get Washington produce progressive legislation without allowing lobbyists to water them down.

We're conditioned to believe that if we vote for this candidate or that party, then all of our problems will be solved. Republicans are masters of marketing political campaigns and getting people to believe in things that are not true.

Thing is, the reality of life just does not match what is being marketed.

Because I have an "open" relationship in that for many years I have had the BEST girl on the planet, yet if she chose to sleep with another, it would have NOTHING to do with our friendship or love for each other. Vice versa. We hardly ever act on it, actually, she usually just brings back a girl for me :D

We have the strongest relationship I know, and others comment the same way.

All I can say is that you need to strip away your preconceptions, and it IS hard to do, but when you do, your relationship isn't built on ownership and territorial proclivities but on the REASON you choose each other every day.

Honestly, its probably the ONLY way human relationships have any chance at lasting and I guarantee, like atheism, that the participants have put WAY more thought and reason into the decision than blind followers of either religion or its puritanical sister, monogamy.

Lucky bastard.

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It's the stupidity and awful decision making that is the point...

There is the reality of the world, politics and media and knowing all those things he thought it would be a great idea to send those photos to multiple, unknown, unverified women and then lie about it in the most obvious and painful way possible.

is pure silliness. along with your suggestion that you put way more thought and reason, then chose to suggest all others are religious or puritanical.

again, i say, good for you. you are making it work. huge thumbs up

not for everyone. obviously. many that chose this life style fail.

reality.

many that chose monogomy succeed.

if one choses monogomy, that does not mean they are puritanical.

you are happy. good. i am happy. good

that should be the goal

not.... i am so much better, evolved, smarter, happier than everyone else. results in silliness and delusion

sorry bout that

the person that eats healthy, feels good and has a productive, good life that ultimately is more successful in so many ways. so, discipline results in a positive manner. does that mean people really are designed to live a healthy life?

live your life. be happy with your life. cool for you. but the hard work so many do to validate your choices at the expense of people that dont make your choice is not any better than those that chose to say your choices are wrong.

people on this thread and many of the threads are doing exactly the same as those they are insulting. no better, no worse

about the subject of sex.

go on and on about fuckin like you do, and they say sex isnt all that, we have pinned them everyway you can tell them to dismiss their experience or opinion. there is a problem there.

if a person doesnt think sex is the be all end all, what place is it of yours to denegrate or dismiss?

not how you feel, fine. why isnt it acceptable for them to feel as they do?

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Jealousy, ownership and possessiveness are never, ever, ever beneficial emotions. Sex should never be the definition of love. Those are destructive attitudes.

often while driving.

Doesn't make the act acceptable.

He's free to look, but sending explicit texts to someone who is not his wife (without his wifes consent) is a breach of trust between the two. Then blatantly lying to everyone else about it is a breach of trust with the public.

but I do appreciate beauty...in either gender. So does my husband. When it comes down to some ridiculously attractive man I have a hard time hiding it (those marble statue types). Usually, a "Holy Moley" will escape my lips and my husband busts out laughing. He hides his visual indiscretions much better than I do, but if I "catch" him he'll start giggling uncontrollably and turns hot pink.

I think you erred by using the word "lust". You may have a more active libido than most.

American Heritage Dictionary

Lust

Intense or unrestrained sexual craving.
An overwhelming desire or craving: a lust for power.
Intense eagerness or enthusiasm: a lust for life.
Obsolete. Pleasure; relish.
intr.v., lust·ed, lust·ing, lusts.
To have an intense or obsessive desire, especially one that is sexual.

Or with the wrong people.

Or you don't have enough testosterone. Testosterone is the cause of sex drive in both men and women. Estrogen has nothing to do with sex drive.

Sex is good

It is important, not only for your well being, but for the species' survival

I'm not judging those who do, but no, I do not do that.

And even if I did, if I were a public person whose flaws would be seized on and publicized by people looking to bring me down, I hope I could restrain myself from sending people pictures of my junk. Junk that is not even all that cute.

At some point--say, adulthood--we all need to learn to ask ourselves "Is this a good idea? Will anyone--whether they be strangers or the people I love most in the world--be harmed by my decision?"

Edited to add: Having said that, I don't think he should resign, necessarily. That should be up to the people he represents. It's none of my business, even though I still think that, politically, he is awesome and I am extremely sad that such a powerful voice for good and justice has, effectively, been silenced--I hope just temporarily.