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PhillySane Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-06-11 02:06 PM
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2 million fish found dead in MD
http://www.cnn.com/2011/US/01/06/maryland.fish.kill/index.html?hpt=T2

Here we go again! 40,000 Crabs in the UK. 100,000 fish in Arkansas. Pretty soon there won't be plenty of fish in the....nevermind.
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RKP5637 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-06-11 02:09 PM
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1. Yep, nothing to worry about folks, just move the F on ... bees, birds, fish, trees -
oh, it's all OK.
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muffin1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-06-11 02:21 PM
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5. Exactly.
It's not like they have any connection to anything else on earth. :silly:
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glinda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-06-11 02:40 PM
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8. Now that they have killed the Climate Change Committee....
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femrap Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-06-11 02:48 PM
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11. Take a look at this Google Map....
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thereismore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-06-11 02:51 PM
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14. Looks like mother nature has had it with the US, mostly. nt
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femrap Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-06-11 03:02 PM
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17. Given that we're 5% of the world's
population and use 25% of her resources....that might be it.

Just looking at that map....lots of clusters around the fault line of New Madrid. If that blows, well, at least Monsanto's HQ in St. Louis will be gone.
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PhillySane Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-06-11 03:19 PM
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21. Actually
all those points in the US seem to follow the BP spill trail. Up the East Coast and Mississippi river.
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PhillySane Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-06-11 03:54 PM
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26. Smack me if this is way out there, but
I seem to remember a lot of scientists who were very concerned about the food chain during the BP spill and subsequent dispersants released. The microbials eat the oil/chemicals, little fish eat the microbials, big fish and other animals eat the little fish, we eat everything...
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femrap Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-06-11 08:15 PM
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33. Corexit....
the dispersant may be worse than the oil.

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RKP5637 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-06-11 03:54 PM
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27. Amazing and very concerning. Thanks! n/t
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gateley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-06-11 02:14 PM
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2. I heard a plausible explanation -- HAARP-like tests. We know they have
the ability to change/control the weather, they may be testing other applications or new technology.

It sounds so :tinfoilhat: but we know for a fact that the technology is out there -- and worse.

I can't think of any other way so many animals would be found dead at one time -- :shrug:

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Motown_Johnny Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-06-11 02:17 PM
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3. We know they have the ability to change/control the weather
We know that do we?


We know conspiracy theorists make those claims, I have yet to see proof.


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gateley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-06-11 02:27 PM
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6. You know, I don't understand why some people, Mowtown_Johnny, feel compelled
to respond with a snarky tone when disagreeing with a post.

Would a "I don't think that there has been any proof of these claims, gateley, I disagree with your statement and you might want to research it.:" be so hard? A civil, friendly response? Sheesh.

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EOTE Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-06-11 03:07 PM
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18. The response didn't seem all that snarky to me.
Regardless, extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. Do you have any evidence to back up your claim? I'd be very interested in seeing some if you do.
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gateley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-06-11 03:40 PM
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24. The response was directed to me and that's how I interpreted it otherwise I
wouldn't have mentioned it.

How it seems to you isn't a factor as it wasn't addressed to you.

If I had proof I'd post it, but I don't. I've only heard of the Russians and Chinese making claims, and have heard Nick Begich speak a lot about HAARP -- here's a quote from his book:

"Weather modification is possible by, for example, altering upper atmosphere wind patterns by constructing one or more plumes of atmospheric particles which will act as a lens or focusing device."

And I don't necessarily believe if we had proof we'd be privy to it. So many times "proof" is dismissed by mainstream science then eventually it's accepted.

But sorry, no, I don't have the proof you're asking for. Maybe someday, or maybe not. :shrug:

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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-06-11 02:50 PM
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girl gone mad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-06-11 03:19 PM
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20. How do you *not* know this?
http://www.naiwmc.org/

Maybe it's because I went to school in Texas, but we learned about weather modification in first year Physics, Engineering, Chemistry and even Astronomy.

More background here:

http://georgewashington2.blogspot.com/2011/01/humans-have-been-modifying-weather-for.html
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WinkyDink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-06-11 08:04 PM
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32. Hmmmmmm:
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PhillySane Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-06-11 02:18 PM
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4. There has been
some talk of climate change. These fish were frozen to death, along with the crabs in the UK. Changing weather patterns? Hmmmm.
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itsrobert Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-06-11 02:29 PM
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7. Changes the ocean currents?
Underwater near freezing cold currents could be a reason.
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glinda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-06-11 02:41 PM
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9. If so this is just the beginning....
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WhaTHellsgoingonhere Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-06-11 08:42 PM
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38. Polar cap melt-off???
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hack89 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-06-11 02:44 PM
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10. HAARP? Really?
so heating up small areas of the ionosphere can kill fish? Go figure!

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BrightKnight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-06-11 02:57 PM
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16. LOL - Yeah, but it would probably excite a few tin foil hats.
Round up the usual suspects. Anytime anything weird happens HAARP is blamed.
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yodermon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-06-11 03:11 PM
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19. Yes!! you don't believe in the fundamental interconnectedness of All Things?!?/1/!1
everything is touching everything else, including my brain, thus anything I think of must b e true!! see!@!!
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gateley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-06-11 03:44 PM
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25. I said HAARP-like because I'm not a scientist and don't know the correct
terminology/technology to use.
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hack89 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-06-11 04:44 PM
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29. What does "HAARP-like" mean?
besides a scientific tool designed to bounce high frequency radio waves off the Ionosphere? Is it a generic excuse used to explain things that have no obvious cause?
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cherokeeprogressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-06-11 08:26 PM
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36. In a word: Yes. It's gotta be the gubmint, and HAARP is a really really bad word
associated with the gubmint.
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RKP5637 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-06-11 04:26 PM
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28. There's a lot of weird stuff that goes on and then we find out way
later. I'm not saying it's HAARP, but I am saying I wouldn't be surprised to see some type of interconnectivity on the deaths. The Taos hum eventually went away after all of the noise about it - the sonic booms from underwater testing around Monterey Bay eventually went away. Other examples too - stuff that goes on, some factual, some not, but stuff goes on.
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hack89 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-06-11 02:48 PM
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12. Fish kills are common in the Chesapeake Bay
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End Of The Road Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-06-11 02:54 PM
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15. This is the 3rd time this has been posted today. Sigh. nt
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PhillySane Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-06-11 03:26 PM
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22. Sorry
Didn't see those. Just thought it was par for the course. ( Animal kills and Michael Vick ).
Seriously though, if these do turn out to be grossly unusual kills, I would like to know WTF is causing it.
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xiamiam Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-06-11 08:21 PM
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34. first time ive seen it and i'm grateful to the op..seems like something we should know about
especially as it relates to the other similar events around the globe this week..
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mainer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-06-11 03:34 PM
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23. These fish kills seem to be in warmer water areas
where the local fish are more sensitive to colder water. Haven't seen any fish deaths in New England so far.
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seeviewonder Donating Member (291 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-06-11 07:45 PM
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30. My ultra-right wing cousin posted this on FB about an hour ago:
"This fish die off and bird thing is common, I wish they would quit wasting headlines on it. Get over it."

I hear this shit from him on FB constantly, and not to mention at family functions (which I am now avoiding).
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PhillySane Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-06-11 08:03 PM
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31. 5000 birds dropping out of the sky at night
for no apparent reason ain't that common.
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seeviewonder Donating Member (291 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-06-11 08:22 PM
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35. I agree
but apparently it is all some conspiracy theory to the righties even though several species of birds and fish are dead in large numbers throughout the world.
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vduhr Donating Member (481 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-06-11 08:35 PM
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37. Especially since birds don't fly
at night. They roost in trees until morning. AND, they don't fly during storms; they stay in the shelter of the trees.

And regardless that large die-offs of birds and fish may be "common", isn't anyone concerned or curious about why it's common?
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PhillySane Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-06-11 09:37 PM
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39. Bingo!
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