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QuintanarooBoy Donating Member (233 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-13-11 12:34 PM
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Analysts: Sarah Palin Writes at an 8th-grade Level
The huge cache of Sarah Palin's emails released Friday offered not only a chance to see what she was writing about during her uncompleted term as Alaska's governor, but also an opportunity to see how well she writes.

AOL Weird News brought samples to two writing analysts who independently evaluated 24,000 pages of the former governor's emails. They came back in agreement that Palin composed her messages at an eighth-grade level, an excellent score for a chief executive, they said.

"I'm a centrist Democrat, and would have loved to support my hunch that Ms. Palin is illiterate," said 2tor Chief Executive Officer John Katzman.

"However, the emails say something else. Ms. Palin writes emails on her Blackberry at a grade level of 8.5."

http://weirdnews.aol.com/2011/06/13/sarah-palin-writing-level_n_874790.html

Apparently, corporate CEOs average even lower writing scores. Kinda/sorta/buevista makes you think that we're fucked, doesn't it? :(
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justiceischeap Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-13-11 12:38 PM
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1. I'm no Palin fan but I bet if the majority of our emails were analyzed
We'd see the same results. Texting, email and IM has created a whole new sort of language.
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Dreamer Tatum Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-13-11 12:58 PM
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8. +1 nt
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Blasphemer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-13-11 01:21 PM
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15. This is very true
I make it a point to write e-mails in the same way that I would write a letter. However, the vast majority of the people I correspond with don't bother. I find it jarring to read some of the e-mails written by people with whom I have had intelligent conversations in person and I have a personal pet peeve regarding e.e. cummings style e-mail writing. I'm convinced that the success I enjoy in terms of accomplishing things (i.e., with business and academic contacts) is due to the time I take in writing proper e-mails.
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TrogL Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-13-11 03:01 PM
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24. My day-to-day, non-tech emails are unimpressive
Didn't Einstein say "If you can't explain it to a six year old, you don't understand it yourself."

Of course, that would explain the behaviour of a lot of people around this office, but let's not go there.
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HopeHoops Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-13-11 12:38 PM
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2. Oh bullshit. She can't even SPEAK at a SECOND grade level.
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mainer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-13-11 12:40 PM
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3. I believe the average newspaper is written for an 8th grade level
Rather surprised she rates as high as she does.
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KamaAina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-13-11 12:48 PM
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4. Hardly. The average newspaper is written at a 4th-grade level.
Even the NY Times is at a 6th-grade level. Welcome to "Idiocracy". :dunce:
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Codeine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-13-11 01:01 PM
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11. I wish.
Fourth grade is the norm, so far as I know.
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Scuba Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-13-11 12:49 PM
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5. Did it say if she wrote them herself, or had staff write them? ...
...hey, if Barak is still a Kenyan, let her prove she wrote them.
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Johonny Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-13-11 12:51 PM
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6. Does the GOP make you stupid
It sounds like she was a better communicator before the national GOP took over her and she became a faux news talking head. It's almost like the faux news life makes you stupid.
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truebrit71 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-13-11 12:56 PM
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7. That well? Really?
I think that is way too high...I think she only just recently graduated from crayon myself...
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lame54 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-13-11 12:58 PM
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9. Didn't she take the 8th grade in 6 different schools?
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-13-11 02:45 PM
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librechik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-13-11 12:59 PM
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10. well. she beats the mainstream press by three grade levels
It's something.
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immoderate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-13-11 01:06 PM
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12. The lower the grade level -- the better the writer.
Ernest Hemingway's novels are at 4-5th grade level. He writes well. Written material that a 6th grader cannot comprehend is not well written, or is about a technical subject that requires subordinations and convolutions, or if you are James Joyce.

Word has a setting that will evaluate readability after a spell check. I recommend that student aim for 6th grade or lower {i]if they want people to read what they write.

Reading at a high grade level is desirable; writing not so much.

--imm
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exboyfil Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-13-11 01:44 PM
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16. I guess that is why my appreciation for
Hemingway has cooled from High School. In High School he was one of my favorite writers. I still think "The Old Man and the Sea" is a great piece of fiction. I can't say the same for "For Whom the Bell Tolls". While you have flashes of brilliance, the main characters, especially the woman María, drive me nuts now. I do love Sordo's last stand. Maybe I need to reread "The Sun Also Rises" to get a better reappreciation since that was the first Hemingway novel which I read.

I will go to my grave thinking James Joyce is the most overrated writer in history. My Honors English teacher was in love with him, but I never understood the attraction.

I have assigned a couple of essays to my 7th grader to write that compares and contrasts a popular recent piece of juvenile fiction with a classic. She almost has me convinced that "The Hunger Games" is superior to "Treasure Island".

Good point about writing for the masses. I think a middle school level for emails makes alot of sense. If you are well read and still need another book like a commentary to understand a piece written recently, then the writer is not doing a good job. Dense academic writing presupposes certain knowledge, but the best articles written for Scientific American for example should be able to be understood by anyone with a solid undergraduate education. I know my 7th grader really enjoys reading some of their articles.
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TrogL Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-13-11 02:57 PM
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23. James Joyce makes you work
not quite as bad as T.S. Eliot (who thoughtfully provides an owner's manual, itself a bit of a reach) but multiple re-readings reveal enriching textures and patterns.

I hated Pychon's Gravity's Rainbow until I heard Pink Floyd's The Wall and studied Jung's theories of synchronicity.
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immoderate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-13-11 08:44 PM
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27. I skirted most of the classics; read a lot of science fiction.
I bet your kid clocks in at a 12.something.

I have not even approached Joyce. But my ninth grade(!) English teacher, for our grammar final, had the class diagram a sentence, which I think was taken from Finnegan's Wake, that had 17 clauses!

The best wordsmith I have encountered is George Orwell. And the most powerful, word-for-word, is Alan Ginsburg.

I mostly read non-fiction these days. Love to read James Gleick. He wrote Chaos, a primer to understanding the universe, no less.

--imm
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ananda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-13-11 01:08 PM
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13. That high?
That's a pretty generous assessment.
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Recursion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-13-11 01:09 PM
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14. Depending on how you measure it the national average is about 4th grade
The problem is the most common measures like SMOG are pretty much useless. By better-supported methods like fill-in-the-blank it's probably somewhat higher, especially since she does write about policy.
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Cleita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-13-11 01:48 PM
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17. It's amazing that she got a degree in Communications,
isn't it? Or don't they require English grammar and composition as a prerequisite for that degree anymore?
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lightningandsnow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-13-11 01:49 PM
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18. This is ridiculous and kind of ableist.
First of all, reading level scores don't mean much. It's rare to write anything above a certain reading level unless it's high-level academic writing.

Secondly, seeing as y'all think this says something about one's intelligence and overall worth as a person, I'm guessing people with learning disabilities (such as myself) are worth less than dirt to you. I guess I should never run for office because my math, visual memory, fine motor coordination and executive function scores are low.

There are a million things to criticize Sarah Palin for. This isn't one of them.
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originalpckelly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-13-11 01:50 PM
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19. That's OK, she's still ahead of most Americans who read at the 6th grade level.
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Lucian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-13-11 02:13 PM
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20. So I take it Stephenie Meyer and J.K. Rowling write at a first grade level?
Edited on Mon Jun-13-11 02:18 PM by Lucian
Edit to add I don't believe Palin writes at an 8th grade level. She's more at the preschool level.
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SoCalDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-13-11 02:16 PM
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21. MANY emails I have seen are at 6th or below
:rofl:

I'm not so sure that most schools even stress writing comprehension much these days:(
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eppur_se_muova Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-13-11 04:31 PM
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25. Is this really the best our 8th graders can do? nt
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bighart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-13-11 04:54 PM
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26. I found this, from the above article, the most interesting part:
"Although it's like comparing apples to oranges, Payack said that famous speeches like Abraham Lincoln's Gettysburg Address was a 9.1 and Martin Luther King Jr.'s "I Have a Dream" oration rated a 8.8 on the scale."
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ergot Donating Member (253 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-13-11 08:47 PM
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28. Which, 30 years ago, would have been 3rd grade level.
...
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proud2BlibKansan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-13-11 08:48 PM
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29. And most people read at about a 6th grade level
So Sarah is in the advanced group. :)
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