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RamboLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-13-11 05:58 PM
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Amended(tougher) gun law enters into force in Finland in wake of school shootings
An amended Firearms Act entered into force in Finland on Monday, with the government hoping it will curb access to guns.

The law introduces an age limit of 20 for handguns, vetting by doctors and a 270-point risk assessment questionnaire for firearm licence applicants.

The law was rushed through Parliament in the wake of two school shootings in recent years that claimed 20 lives.

An investigation committee recommended a complete ban on self-loading handguns, which were used in both shootings.

http://www.helsinkitimes.fi/htimes/domestic-news/general/15668-amended-gun-law-enters-into-force-in-finland-.html
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rfranklin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-13-11 06:02 PM
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1. If only those kids had been armed...
These tragedies might have been averted.
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cleanhippie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-13-11 06:13 PM
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3. You may be right.
For once.
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slackmaster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-13-11 07:16 PM
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6. That's it for you
:nuke:
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Hoyt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-13-11 06:07 PM
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2. Thought Finland was the poster child for gun ownership. Like the physician risk assessment.

I also like their laws on carrying guns in public, having to lock them up at home, permits to even buy a gun, etc. USA gunners might self-destruct if something like that were considered here.
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spin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-13-11 06:26 PM
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4. If our party ever suggests such ideas and makes a serious effort to pass them ...
it will probably suffer the same fate as the Whig party.
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Tesha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-13-11 07:16 PM
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5. Outside the echo chamber, it's not nearly so clear that the vast majority of...
...Democrats and Democratic-leaning voters feel as you do.

Tesha
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spin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-13-11 08:04 PM
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8. Remember we are discussing implementing gun laws like in Finland ...

Gun politics in Finland

Regulation

***snip***

Firearms can only be obtained with an acquisition license, which can be applied for at the local police for a fee. A separate license is required for each individual firearm. A number of firearms a person can own is not limited in any way. With the primary licensee's consent, parallel licenses to his firearms can be granted to other persons. According to law, the firearms must be stored in a locked space or otherwise locked, or with vital parts removed and separated. Even then the weapon or any of its separated parts must not be easily stolen. If an especially dangerous firearm or more than 5 pistols, revolvers or self-loading rifles or other-type firearms are being stored, they must be stored in a certified gun safe or in a secure space inspected and approved by the local police authority.

They may be carried only when they are transported from their place of storage to the place of use (shooting range, hunting area or such). Even then they must be unloaded and concealed or kept in carrying pouches. Aside from law enforcement agents and military personnel, only security guards with closely defined working conditions, special training and a permit are allowed to carry a loaded gun in public places. The ownership of air-rifles is not regulated but carrying or firing them in public places is not permitted. A crossbow is paralleled to an air rifle in legal matters.

To obtain a firearms license, an individual must declare a valid reason to own a gun. Acceptable reasons include hunting, sports or hobby shooting, profession related, show or promotion or exhibition, collection or museum, souvenir, and signalling. It is worth noticing that self- or home defence are not considered valid reasons. The applicant must provide evidence supporting the acquisition license application to prove that he or she is actually using firearms for the stated purpose(s). Such proof may consist of written declarations from other license holders as referees, shooting diaries or certificates from a shooting club.<6>

The applicant is also subjected to an extensive background check from police accessible databases and even citations for speeding or DUI can be grounds of not granting the license.emphasis added
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_politics_in_Finland




Now you may be right when you say that, "it's not nearly so clear the vast majority of Democrats and Democratic-leaning voters feel as you do." However a significant number of Democrats, possibly a majority of Republicans and a high percentage of Independents would strongly disagree with the implementation of laws such as exist in Finland. These voters would show up at the the polls to vote not only against Democrats who favored such laws but also Democrats in general.

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Hoyt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-13-11 07:45 PM
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7. I tend to agree with #5. Only 4% of the population feels the need to tote in public.

Lots of folks -- good Democrats -- would like to see tougher controls on guns.
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spin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-13-11 08:07 PM
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9. If many people are as opposed as you are to concealed carry, than why ...
is "shall issue" the law in so many states?

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Tesha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-14-11 11:24 AM
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12. "Shall issue" is the law because so many politicians are scared shitless of the NRA and...
...its overly-loud members.

A lot of American politics is like this. Why is marijuana
still illegal? Decriminalizing it is certainly supported by
the vast majority of Americans, yet you see almost no
action on the issue. Why? Could it be that this is another
issue that scares politicians into foolish action?

Health care reform was another example.

So is abortion.

So is equal marriage.

In all cases, a powerful minority holds the clear will of
the majority at bay.

Guns are no different.

Tesha
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BoWanZi Donating Member (502 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-13-11 08:11 PM
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10. Lots of folks - - good Democrats - - don't think that our laws need improvement
and that laws in states such as California, New York, and DC go overboard with draconian controls.

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WatsonT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-13-11 08:27 PM
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11. I'm glad other countries also react in irrational ways to isolated events
passing feel-good laws with no common sense behind them so they can feel safe.
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