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cali

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Wed Jun-15-11 12:45 PM
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Former porn star says Weiner asked her to lie

I still marvel at Weiner's arrogance and stupidity in this whole mess.

NEW YORK | Wed Jun 15, 2011 1:17pm EDT

NEW YORK (Reuters) - A porn star said on Wednesday she had an e-mail relationship with embattled Representative Anthony Weiner and that he urged her to lie about their exchanges in the hope that a scandal surrounding him would die down.

Ginger Lee, flanked by her celebrity attorney Gloria Allred, told a news conference in New York, that Weiner "asked me to lie" about their interchanges which included about 100 emails as well as messages over Twitter.

Lee, a stripper, said her relationship began with the Democratic lawmaker from New York over political issues such as a woman's right to choose abortion, and health care, but that Weiner kept trying to turn the conversation sexual.

She said she never reciprocated his lewd messages, which were often about "his package."

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http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/06/15/us-usa-politics-weiner-pornstar-idUSTRE75E3N820110615

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PeaceNikki

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Wed Jun-15-11 12:47 PM
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1. imma see how this thread develops.

:poopcorn:

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cali

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Wed Jun-15-11 12:49 PM
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2. here's the reader's digest version of the thread:

posting this shit is terrible.

Why do you hate progressives.

hang in there Anthony.

Retire now Anthony.

Vitter

Ensign

Vitter

Vitter

Vitter

Vitter

She's a Breitbart operative

He was set up.

He's an idiot.

He's a progressive saint.

Vitter.

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PeaceNikki

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Wed Jun-15-11 12:51 PM
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3. You forgot Clarence Thomas.

And Poland.

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Tarheel_Dem

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Wed Jun-15-11 12:55 PM
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12. +1

:rofl:

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leveymg

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Wed Jun-15-11 01:17 PM
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31. Do you deny Clarence Thomas is an inherent part of the crusade to destroy Rep. Weiner?

Well? I'll acknowledge that Weiner is a putz if I hear you acknowledge that a primary motivation of the crusade against him is an effort to punish and destroy him because he exposed Thomas' lawbreaking.

Let's hear it . . .

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PeaceNikki

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Wed Jun-15-11 01:19 PM
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32. I think Weiner is a victim of his own fucking stupidity.

Edited on Wed Jun-15-11 01:21 PM by PeaceNikki

edited to fix freeper grammar fail

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leveymg

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Wed Jun-15-11 01:22 PM
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35. That is a gross oversimplification.

You've totally ignored the political component to this whole scandal. That is intellectually dishonest.

Come on, admit it. Weiner has been targeted because of his exposure of the Clarence Thomas - Weiner's monumental stupidity made that campaign easy, but it's not the primary reason for it. Admit it.

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PeaceNikki

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Wed Jun-15-11 01:23 PM
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36. lol, then all the more stupid for the man to be tweeting his peeper

Edited on Wed Jun-15-11 01:27 PM by PeaceNikki

being a target and all.

It's really not rocket surgery - He sent lewd pictures and communicated with not one, not two, not three, but SIX random women he didn't know at ALL on the internet. People he didn't know and couldn't even come close to trusting. Now it's an issue and it's the ONLY thing we're talking about. And we wouldn't be if he hadn't been such a fucking fool. His credibility is shot. He clearly has ZERO sense of judgement if he thought his actions would not get out. Fucking idiot. How did you think this would end, Weiner? I really thought you were a smart man.

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leveymg

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Wed Jun-15-11 01:28 PM
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37. I'll admit it was fucking stupid. But, please return the favor and acknowledge Clarence Thomas was

the primary reason he's been targeted for this crusade of personal destruction. Annihilation.

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PeaceNikki

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Wed Jun-15-11 01:31 PM
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39. lol - the primary reason he's being targeted is because he sent pictures of his junk to fans.

He used the same account for public communication as he used to tweet his peeper. That's weird and wrong. If any of us had an account on Twitter or Facebook that we used for our high-profile jobs, then used it to find customers/potential customers who liked us to troll for people we could "cyber" with THEN used the SAME said account to do that, we'd quite understandably be toast.

This was a powderkeg ready to blow no matter how you slice it. It was only a matter of time until this blew up in Weiner's stupid face and I hold him 100% responsible.

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Warren DeMontague

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Wed Jun-15-11 02:12 PM
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62. He should be more careful with his junk

I think everyone can agree that he's a big dummy.

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Wed Jun-15-11 02:41 PM
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75. +1

For an awesome and appropriate Sanford and Son reference!!

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Wed Jun-15-11 01:35 PM
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leveymg

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Wed Jun-15-11 01:49 PM
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50. With that kind of solidarity, we'll be the minority party for a long time.

As for "conspiracy theory" about Thomas, the reason Weiner has become a cause celebre and dragged on as long as it has is because the GOP Right want him destroyed.

They want him branded as a pervert. They want to make an example of the guy, hang him upside down and let his rotting carcass serve as a warning to others who might dare to defy the rule that has, so far, protected Clarence Thomas from his day of reckoning. They aren't the only people who are really angry at Weiner. The Democratic leadership, who have calculated that they don't have the votes to impeach Thomas in the House, have burned Anthony as an apostate.

So, everyone on both sides, don't even bring Clarence Thomas up, or else. Look at what happened to Rep. Anthony Weiner.

There is no denying the fact, though, Clarence Thomas has not merely committed an impeachable offense, he has violated criminal laws. 5 USC App. 104, False Statement, imposes a year in prison and a $50,000 fine. Each count. Clarence and Virginia did it five years running. There are some other felony charges that can be leveled, as well, if the AG wanted to do it. For that, Thomas can be Indicted, arrested, tried, convicted, and sent to Club Fed. It really doesn't matter if he's impeached or not. Judicial Immunity doesn't extend to non-judicial acts, like filling out false federal reports. He's already one foot in jail, and could never hear another case in the Supreme Court if they just indicted and arrested him. Do it on camera as he walks to his car. The others will never let him back in the side door of the Supreme Court Building and sit on the same bench with him if Clarence is arrested for a federal crime.

There is no rule that says they can't indict, arrest, and try sitting federal judges.

So, it really boils down to the political will to just get on with it. Indict Clarence Thomas. Arrest Clarence Thomas. The rest will follow.

And, yes, Anthony Weiner is a putz. But, Impeach Clarence Thomas.

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PeaceNikki

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Wed Jun-15-11 01:57 PM
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53. Correction: With Weiner level stupidity, we'll be the minority party for a long time

I really thought that level of stupidity was reserved for them/

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Wed Jun-15-11 02:00 PM
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PeaceNikki

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Wed Jun-15-11 02:11 PM
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59. :*

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Whisp

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Wed Jun-15-11 04:11 PM
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95. the conspiracy could be that Weiner wanted to give up on Thomas' case

that maybe he realized he had gone too far and had second thoughts about his future in congress if he fucks with a Supreme.
so instead of just dropping the subject - which would be difficult because Progressives already anointed him Hero of the Truth - the only way he could do that is by sabotaging himself.

hey, what he did is so bloody stupid, bloody stupid explanations should be tolerated.

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Wed Jun-15-11 05:03 PM
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RZM

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Wed Jun-15-11 02:07 PM
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57. You don't know that

He was targeted by Breitbart because he's a liberal member of the House. Thomas is just one of a plethora of reasons that conservatives dislike him. How to weight the Thomas thing among those reasons isn't really possible with the available information. If more comes out, more can be said about that - but until then, you're just speculating. Speculation is all well and good, but without hard evidence it's just a theory. You may be right, but that's not at all clear right now.

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Maru Kitteh

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Wed Jun-15-11 02:19 PM
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65. And, if I might add - if we are ever to succeed at getting Thomas out, we will NOT get it done by

screeching about shadowy half-baked, totally unproven conspiracy theories and crying that "The Media" should LEAVE OUR WEINER ALONE!!!

Thomas is another issue altogether. I've wanted to see that fucker go down since I watched him lie his ass off at those confirmation hearings and Ms. Hill was cast to the wolves, called a liar, etc.....

But that's a SEPARATE ISSUE.

Weiner's sheer fucking idiocy stands alone. I hold Weiner to account for his own actions. Period.

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brooklynite

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Wed Jun-15-11 02:12 PM
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61. I'm sure Clarence Thomas lies awake nights worrying about Weiner's next speech...

...if this was such a serious issue and Weiner was such a crusader, all he had to do was walk to the floor of the House and call for the impeachment, or indictment of Thomas. He never did.

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leveymg

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Wed Jun-15-11 02:22 PM
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67. Just more proof that Weiner was the wrong man for that job. He didn't have the balls

Edited on Wed Jun-15-11 02:24 PM by leveymg

(or the gravitas) to drive the case home against Thomas. (Pun and derision entirely intended)

But, he was a really easy target for this sort of reprisal.

A lot of us have really good reason to be pissed as hell at Anthony Weiner. But, we can't forget the more important issue still at stake - Indict Clarence Thomas.

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brooklynite

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Wed Jun-15-11 02:25 PM
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70. What is the SPECIFIC CRIME you want him indicted for?

Edited on Wed Jun-15-11 02:27 PM by brooklynite

And please don't give me "he filled out his financial disclosure form incorrectly". Not everyone form requires an acknowledgement that false statements constitute perjury. I don't know if his did, but I'll bet you don't know either.

And, as for your recurring insistence that this is all a conspiratorial revenge effort, please explain how Anthony Weiner irresponsible behavior and lying about it would have played out any differently if the conspiracy didn't exist.

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leveymg

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Wed Jun-15-11 02:31 PM
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73. See, "With that kind of solidarity," upthread. False Statement, 5 USC App. 104(a).

Edited on Wed Jun-15-11 02:53 PM by leveymg

The forms he repeatedly falsified annually (at least five years in a row) specify Sec. 104 is the operative statute right below the signature line. He filed revised versions to "correct" the misrepresentations for previous years in 2010.

Ex. 1. Here's the form (redacted version). Look at Exhibit 1, the bottom line (highlighted):

Ex. 2. Here's a summary of the false filings of Clarence Thomas:

Ex. 3. And, the controlling statute:

5 USC App. 104
(a)
(1) The Attorney General may bring a civil action in any appropriate United States district court against any individual who knowingly and willfully falsifies or who knowingly and willfully fails to file or report any information that such individual is required to report pursuant to section 102. The court in which such action is brought may assess against such individual a civil penalty in any amount, not to exceed $50,000.
(2)
(A) It shall be unlawful for any person to knowingly and willfully
(i) falsify any information that such person is required to report under section 102; and
(ii) fail to file or report any information that such person is required to report under section 102.
(B) Any person who
(i) violates subparagraph (A)(i) shall be fined under title 18, United States Code, imprisoned for not more than 1 year, or both; and
(ii) violates subparagraph (A)(ii) shall be fined under title 18, United States Code.
(b) The head of each agency, each Secretary concerned, the Director of the Office of Government Ethics, each congressional ethics committee, or the Judicial Conference, as the case may be, shall refer to the Attorney General the name of any individual which such official or committee has reasonable cause to believe has willfully failed to file a report or has willfully falsified or willfully failed to file information required to be reported. Whenever the Judicial Conference refers a name to the Attorney General under this subsection, the Judicial Conference also shall notify the judicial council of the circuit in which the named individual serves of the referral.
(c) The President, the Vice President, the Secretary concerned, the head of each agency, the Office of Personnel Management, a congressional ethics committee, and the Judicial Conference, may take any appropriate personnel or other action in accordance with applicable law or regulation against any individual failing to file a report or falsifying or failing to report information required to be reported.

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Fla_Democrat

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Wed Jun-15-11 03:04 PM
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87. Sometimes, a cigar, is just a cigar

and a weiner is just a weiner.

I missed the part where the pictures, the tweets, etc are years old, where this has been kept under wraps waiting on the perfect time to spring it to save someone else. Now, I have heard that this activity has been going on for years, but I thought this all came out cause of something stupid, and recent.

Now, if you got something to show that this was a planned political attack, and not just a capitalization on a bone-headed move.. I'm interested. (fyi, you can't say look at the timing, cause the way I understand it, the timing was all up to Weiner. Unless you want to go off the deep end and claim Anthony was working to sabotage his own political career to save Clarence Thomas.)

:smoke:

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frylock

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Wed Jun-15-11 01:30 PM
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38. i think it was ufos..

you might get better traction with your theory if you were to provide a timeline. at what point, before or after weiner's callout on justice thomas, did they force him to send out pix of his dick?

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Maru Kitteh

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Wed Jun-15-11 01:36 PM
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42. BINGO! n/t

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Tarheel_Dem

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Wed Jun-15-11 02:21 PM
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66. BINGO! x 2. (nt)

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IamK

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Wed Jun-15-11 08:24 PM
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110. +1

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flamingdem

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Wed Jun-15-11 01:48 PM
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49. He's a putz but he's our putz

Some say putz means wiener but it also means dumbass I believe.

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TheWraith

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Wed Jun-15-11 02:22 PM
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68. Damn that's hilarious. Thanks for that. :) nt

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Whisp

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Wed Jun-15-11 04:04 PM
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94. hahaha!!! golden.

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jorno67

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Wed Jun-15-11 12:53 PM
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9. you forgot that someone calls somebody else sexist

that always a classic in these types of threads.

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Purveyor

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Wed Jun-15-11 12:56 PM
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14. +1 indeed. The hypocracy is startling... eom

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LiberalLoner

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Wed Jun-15-11 01:32 PM
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40. LOL this is brilliant! Thank you for the laugh! :) n/t

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JohnnyLib2

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Wed Jun-15-11 01:38 PM
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43. And plain old normal behavior.

Doesn't every man "converse" with porn stars who can afford Allred?

:shrug:

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dsc

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Wed Jun-15-11 04:54 PM
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101. I would bet just about anything she isn't getting her usual fee

this case has enough publicity for her to work for reduced fee or even free.

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Jackpine Radical

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Wed Jun-15-11 03:50 PM
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92. Thanks.

That was a lot easier than reading through the whole thing.

I think you forgot Allen and Mark Foley, though.

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lumberjack_jeff

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Wed Jun-15-11 04:43 PM
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98. Now we have two words to add: "Gloria Allred" n/t

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Maru Kitteh

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Wed Jun-15-11 12:51 PM
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4. It has real potential, thats for sure. Perhaps some pictures?

I'm waiting for the first poster who says we can't believe a porn star, for goodness sake.

Yeah, this should be entertaining, indeed.

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RZM

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Wed Jun-15-11 01:20 PM
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33. How can we trust her?

That's probably not even her real name!!!!!

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dionysus

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Wed Jun-15-11 12:53 PM
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6. funniest... typo...ever...

:rofl:

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arbusto_baboso

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Wed Jun-15-11 12:55 PM
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13. Sure. Until actual poopcorn shows up.

You won't be laughing then. :evilgrin:

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PeaceNikki

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Wed Jun-15-11 12:57 PM
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17. .

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arbusto_baboso

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Wed Jun-15-11 01:04 PM
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21. You owe me a new monitor.

I just spit Coke all over mine. :spray:

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dionysus

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Wed Jun-15-11 01:06 PM
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23. ROFL!!!!

:spray:

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RZM

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Wed Jun-15-11 01:16 PM
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29. That's damn funny n/t

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Solomon

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Wed Jun-15-11 02:28 PM
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72. No it ain't. It's gross.

LOL

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donheld

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Thu Jun-16-11 12:29 AM
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115. I usually horn in and try to share, but since you're having poopcorn

you can have it all :hide::D

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wtmusic

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Wed Jun-15-11 12:52 PM
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5. Lemme guess - book out next week?

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snooper2

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Wed Jun-15-11 12:53 PM
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8. I would

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Maru Kitteh

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Wed Jun-15-11 01:39 PM
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44. It could be a pop-up book!

:rofl:

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snooper2

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Wed Jun-15-11 01:45 PM
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48. ROFL

:rofl:

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arbusto_baboso

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Wed Jun-15-11 12:53 PM
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7. "Former"? Did she stop making skin flicks last week, then?

'Cuz she's still active in the biz as far as I know.

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Hassin Bin Sober

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Wed Jun-15-11 12:54 PM
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10. Oh give it a rest already.

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Maru Kitteh

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Wed Jun-15-11 01:02 PM
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20. LEAVE MY WEINER ALOOONEEEEE!!!!

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devilgrrl

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Wed Jun-15-11 12:54 PM
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11. I can't believe Wiener's arrogance at doing nothing illegal.

Edited on Wed Jun-15-11 12:55 PM by devilgrrl

Sorry. Texting women isn't illegal.

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Tarheel_Dem

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Wed Jun-15-11 12:57 PM
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18. How about asking them to lie to investigators? Is that illegal?

:shrug:

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devilgrrl

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Wed Jun-15-11 01:01 PM
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19. I don't know. Is it?

BTW, Are you this upset about defunding Planned Parenthood?

Seems like you've got your priorities in order. I can't think of a greater crisis than this.

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Tarheel_Dem

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Wed Jun-15-11 01:16 PM
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30. I'm not upset at all. I'm just amazed because you normally have such high standards.

I just wanted you to confirm or deny that you would countenance "lying" in certain situations? Is it okay to be a principled person, and lie sometimes? Or does it depend on the lie, and who's doing it? :shrug:

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devilgrrl

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Wed Jun-15-11 01:41 PM
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45. If you were doing what Wiener did - would you want your friends to know?

Who wouldn't try to cover something like that up?

He didn't force himself on any of those women. Poor choices aren't necessarily illegal.

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Tarheel_Dem

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Wed Jun-15-11 02:11 PM
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60. Well if one of the "choices" is to encourage someone else to commit perjury,

then I have to disagree. Weiner knew, or should have known, that an ethics investigation would likely be the result of his behavior, so to encourage someone to lie on your behalf is no excuse. Weiner's fans have to be consistent here. You either expect honesty & transparency from everyone, or no one at all.

When this first came up, I thought it was a personal matter between his family, his constituents, and himself. But I'm beginning to believe that the Dems who have called on him to resign know that there's a bombshell we haven't heard about yet. Just a feelin'....

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dsc

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Wed Jun-15-11 04:58 PM
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102. He asked her to lie to the media

there was no investigation of any sort when he asked her to lie. That isn't perjury at all.

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KingFlorez

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Wed Jun-15-11 01:09 PM
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24. No investigators would have been asking her anything

Since nothing illegal transpired in the first place. The media is who would have been asking and they are not a law enforcement agency.

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Tarheel_Dem

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Wed Jun-15-11 01:14 PM
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27. Is it the media he asked her to lie to? Because that's totally different, and I agree with you.

I guess my question pertained more to The House Ethics Committee. If she had lied to the media, that's one thing, but would she then place herself in jeopardy if she were called before the House?

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Maru Kitteh

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Wed Jun-15-11 01:21 PM
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34. This has been going on so long, someone needs to construct a timeline. If Pelosi and already

called for an ethics investigation when she released her statement then yes, it's probable she would have been called before the house.

He wanted her to lie, so would he have wanted her to suddenly stop lying before the ethics committee if he believed he could get away with it? His pattern of behavior speaks to that and the answer it would seem is no.

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Tarheel_Dem

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Wed Jun-15-11 02:06 PM
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56. I concur. If he expected her to lie to the House, then that's a whole other

ball of wax. I understand the initial impulse to lie about the whole thing, but what I don't understand is him placing others in jeopardy of perjury. That's not good at all.

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dsc

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Wed Jun-15-11 05:19 PM
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107. If you had read the article, which was linked in the OP

you would know the answer to that question. It was the media she was asked to lie to, not any investigators of any sort. Presumedly he was hoping to avoid investigation.

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Warren DeMontague

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Wed Jun-15-11 01:53 PM
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51. depends on who the 'investigators' are, doesn't it?

If they're law enforcement, a grand jury, etc... it's a big deal.

If they're the media, crusading moralizers or garden variety anti-sex busybodies, it means nothing.

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brooklynite

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Wed Jun-15-11 02:36 PM
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74. I will happily acknowledge that Weiner has committed no crime...

...nor has he asked anyone else to.

Unfortunately, "Weiner: he has a clean criminal record" isn't a stirring campaign slogan.

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sabrina 1

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Wed Jun-15-11 12:56 PM
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15. Do you marvel at Clarence Thomas' arrogance, stupidity and

lies, actual law-breaking lies to start a thread over??

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Maru Kitteh

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Wed Jun-15-11 01:06 PM
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22. Is something stopping you?

Freakin go for it!

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sabrina 1

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Wed Jun-15-11 09:13 PM
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113. Already have.

http://journals.democraticunderground.com/sabrina%201/215 And will be following THAT story as these kind of lies affect all Americans and for several generations to come as a result of his biased, and now we know, maybe bought decisions.

Sex lies I don't care about it. Not my business.

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Maru Kitteh

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Thu Jun-16-11 01:17 AM
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116. Well fantastic. You've got it covered then. n/t

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aikoaiko

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Wed Jun-15-11 12:56 PM
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16. until now I didn't know it was Ginger Lee -- Weiner's a playa

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madrchsod

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Wed Jun-15-11 01:10 PM
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25. everytime i read that name i can`t stop thinking about...

ginger lynn.....

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arbusto_baboso

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Wed Jun-15-11 01:12 PM
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26. I'll be in my bunk...

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Nye Bevan

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Wed Jun-15-11 01:15 PM
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28. How can she be a "star"? I can't even name one movie in which she has appeared! (nt)

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Wed Jun-15-11 08:25 PM
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111. ask weiner.... n/t

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SoCalDem

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Wed Jun-15-11 01:42 PM
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46. "Former porn star says"..says it all n/t

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hay rick

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Wed Jun-15-11 01:58 PM
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54. Maybe she's trying to make a cumback.

Any publicity is good publicity.

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lumberjack_jeff

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Wed Jun-15-11 04:44 PM
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99. And what it doesn't say, "Gloria Allred" does. nt

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Maru Kitteh

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Wed Jun-15-11 04:50 PM
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100. Why you Puritan! Are you judging the young woman on your idea of sexual indiscretion?

I knew this thread was going to be a riot, and a rich fount of hypocrisy.

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Botany

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Wed Jun-15-11 01:45 PM
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47. Ginger Lee the poor thing!

I googled her name and hit images and the poor thing has almost no clothes

but she does seem very affectionate :blush:

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Warren DeMontague

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Wed Jun-15-11 01:56 PM
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52. since porn stars are by definition incapable of making any of their own decisions

obviously due to her child-like inability to manage her own affairs and think for herself, she has no credibility.

:sarcasm:

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JoePhilly

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Wed Jun-15-11 02:11 PM
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58. If any one is going to tell the truth ... it's a "former porn star".

I like the notion she saw his advances as "lewd messages".

The visual of a porn star (former porn star) blushing, and then heading off to the fainting couch, seems odd to me.

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brooklynite

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Wed Jun-15-11 02:17 PM
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63. What does she have to lie about?

In her situation, any publicity is good publicity; hence the interview.

Add to that, she simply validated what had already been published...

On June 2, Weiner emailed Lee, "Do you need to talk to a professional PR type person to give u advice? I can have someone on my team call. (Yeah, my team is doing great. Ugh)."
http://www.tmz.com/2011/06/06/anthony-weiner-congressman-sex-text-twitter-kcover-up-facebook-photo-women-admitted-wrongdoing-press-conference-penis-picture-apologized/

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JoePhilly

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Wed Jun-15-11 02:46 PM
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77. And how does that equate to him asking her to lie?

You care correct that any publicity is good for her ... and the more sensatinal her story, the better for her.

From your post above, looks like he already knows this is going to be a mess, but she could talk to his PR folks about how she should handle her end of it. The fact that he says his team is doing "great. Ugh" suggests that he does not have much confidence that anything but the full truth is coming out.

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seabeyond

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Wed Jun-15-11 02:53 PM
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81. wouldnt that be another consideration a SMART public official would take into account, playing the

dirty? that playing with a porn actor could result in her wanting her ten minutes of fame?

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JoePhilly

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Wed Jun-15-11 03:34 PM
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89. Oh he is DUMB, no doubt about that.

And yea, exactly, I get the sense that he was hoping she'd be discrete. Also dumb. And he realizes his team can't PR him out of it. Or PR her out of it.

Thus the "ugh".

I would add that if he asked her to lie, even that might not be so bad, depending on what he asked her to do. So if he wanted his people, using money he gets for being in congress to help her lie, he's toast. But if he pointed her to a PR group he uses, and she'd have to pay them, its still wrong, but not illegal.

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seabeyond

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Wed Jun-15-11 03:39 PM
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90. thanks.... again, i hope it stays to no more than dumb. nt

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JoePhilly

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Wed Jun-15-11 03:47 PM
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91. Agree ... of course the risk there is that there is a high correlation

between DUMB and ILLEGAL.

Let's hope this is not one of those times.

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Maru Kitteh

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Wed Jun-15-11 05:01 PM
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104. Are you a Puritan? Why are you judging this young woman on your idea of sexual indiscretion?

Edited on Wed Jun-15-11 05:05 PM by Maru Kitteh

I thought we weren't supposed to judge anything about a persons character based on stuff like that.

Oh - and please link to anywhere where she said anything about blushing or fainting couches?

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seabeyond

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Wed Jun-15-11 05:20 PM
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108. isnt it a hoot. i have been done with weiner days ago. but the hypocrisy of argument

has kept me amused.

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Maru Kitteh

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Wed Jun-15-11 05:31 PM
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109. lolz.

Edited on Wed Jun-15-11 05:33 PM by Maru Kitteh

I think he should go, but it's a common freakin' sense thing with me (oxymoron, I know) and also because I don't think any message of worth can survive carried in a vessel so weak.

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Wed Jun-15-11 09:23 PM
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114. Indeed. If she was in porn that basically means she preemptively gives consent to anything

She couldn't possibly say no, what with her past (and the way she dresses!).

:sarcasm:

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Major Hogwash

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Wed Jun-15-11 02:19 PM
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64. Which one is the porn star, Ginger or Gloria?

Good ol' Gloria, she's never missed a chance to make an appearence on teevee yet!!

If Ginger never "reciprocated", then why call a press conference?

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seabeyond

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Wed Jun-15-11 02:24 PM
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69. the hypocrisy the very sexually progressive attack porn actor for being in porn to defend

Edited on Wed Jun-15-11 02:45 PM by seabeyond

weiner.

lmfao... thru out the thread

such hypocrisy

lol lol

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arbusto_baboso

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Wed Jun-15-11 02:43 PM
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76. I'm not questioning this woman's credibility.

I'm questioning the relevance of anything she might have to add, other than merely more sensationalism.

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seabeyond

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Wed Jun-15-11 02:47 PM
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78. i dont know the laws. if weiner asked her to lie, is that relevant? i dont know. i thought funny

Edited on Wed Jun-15-11 02:49 PM by seabeyond

people calling her out being a porn actor. kinda like the same when they attack peoples sexuality that dont agree with them, that someone elses sexuality is no ones business.

i am past they weiner shit. more into those arguments to defend the man, myself.

btw... as i am adding on all my posts. i think weiner ought to not resign

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arbusto_baboso

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Wed Jun-15-11 02:54 PM
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82. I'm not sure his asking her to lie is relevant if there's no criminal investigation.

Personally, it's all about what's in his pants, which is no biz of mine.

Did he lie? yes. Did he lie to ME? Hell, I don't care.

But I agree, he shouldn't resign. Let his district decide.

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seabeyond

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Wed Jun-15-11 02:56 PM
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83. i dont buy the "privacy" argument a moment when you put it public.

even my kids wouldnt argue that one. the moment he unzipped and went public with the penis, it is no longer a private moment

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arbusto_baboso

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Wed Jun-15-11 02:59 PM
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84. Sorry, but that concept just doesn't hold water.

If, say, a Senator is horribly rude and insulting to a waitress at a restaurant it's a public action, right? He's broken no laws, but has does something decent people don't do (or don't do more than once, anyway). How the hell is THAT my business, or have any relevance to the Senator doing his job?

Let's be perfectly honest here: it's all about American squeamishness with anything regarding genitalia, yet our fascination by same.

Don't try to say it's anything else. Don't insult us both by trying to say that.

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seabeyond

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Wed Jun-15-11 03:01 PM
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85. so you argue your point and then tell the person to shut up? lol. doesnt work. bush wipe glasses

on womans shirt. terribly rude. private? well hey, we still called him an ass.

if a person is rude to the public, and they are public representatives, then i am going to listen that he is rude and think less of him.

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arbusto_baboso

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Wed Jun-15-11 03:04 PM
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86. Yep. You're still incredibly self-righteous.

I don't know why I expected that to change.

Just think about your own life and the things you would be ashamed for people to know about, then get back to me on this whole false private/public dichotomy you're arguing.

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seabeyond

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Wed Jun-15-11 03:05 PM
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88. mmmm, and my answer to that? i own it. i dont make excuses for it.

nor do i need others to make excuses for me.

and i take the repercussion for my poor choices. it is what grown ups do. nothing about self righteous, about maturity and responsibility

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lynne

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Wed Jun-15-11 02:28 PM
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71. Frankly, the porn star has far more credibility than Weiner at this point -

- and I have no reason to doubt her word. NEXT UP: Weiner in women's underwear!!

Anyone not understanding why he needs to leave office is too partisan to be rational.

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frylock

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Wed Jun-15-11 02:48 PM
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79. most folks are incapable of admitting a mistake..

so instead of admitting that they were foolish to believe AW it's easier to go down with the ship and accuse those who can see through the bullshit of propping up breitbart and the repub slime machine.

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seabeyond

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Wed Jun-15-11 02:51 PM
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80. my 4 yr old taught me to admit to mistake in his sweetest of ways. when a 4 yr old teaches

an adult the lesson, tends to stay, lol.

i dont think weiner should resign. and i am not going ot make excuses or pretend what he did was no ones business as it becomes public. what public figures live with. he should be responsible enough for the job, .. or... we all suffer repercussions.

i am into reality

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Wed Jun-15-11 03:54 PM
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93. He's got tiger blood

give him a break

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JI7

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Wed Jun-15-11 04:29 PM
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96. i don't really have a problem with him asking someone to lie about this

it's not like he told her to give him money in exchange for his vote on certain legislation. or how blago tried to sell the senate seat.

i also don't believe her that she wasn't into sexting with him since they had so many exhanges. she could have just ignored him.

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lumberjack_jeff

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Wed Jun-15-11 04:43 PM
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97. No mention of WHEN. Not by her nor her attorney Gloria Allred.

:eyes:

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dsc

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Wed Jun-15-11 04:59 PM
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103. Bring me the fainting couch

He asked her to lie to the media about sex. I just don't know what else we might learn next, maybe that 2 + 2 = 4

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106. ::::passes the smelling salts after taking a whiff for myself::: Oh my! Lies about s-e-x..woe is me.

Edited on Wed Jun-15-11 05:05 PM by OmmmSweetOmmm

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