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Dreamer Tatum Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-16-11 10:13 AM
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Let us be crystal clear about who is responsible for Weiner's resignation.
Anthony Weiner
Nancy Pelosi
DWS
Barack Obama


If the first had been more careful, none of this would have happened. Had the last three been supportive, resignation would be off the table.

Don't give me any Breitbart - Pelosi, DWS, and Obama made this happen.
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Logical Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-16-11 10:14 AM
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1. Weiner is the ONLY one responsible!!!! n-t
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Pisces Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-16-11 10:18 AM
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8. Exactly. Denying something is one thing, creating a convoluted hacking story another.
He is toxic to his fellow Congressmen, they can not work with him. He will be back, but for now this is the best thing for him. He was just dumb. His own fault.
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LynneSin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-16-11 11:22 AM
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75. I agree 100%
I think Weiner will have an even stronger and more successful political career but stepping down today.

He has a chance to heal, regroup and plan his new strategy. At age 47, he'll be around for awhile.
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Maru Kitteh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-16-11 01:02 PM
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94. And then taking that "hacking" nonsense on a media tour that he himself sought out?
Stuuuuupid. AW did this entirely to himself.

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Lizzie Poppet Donating Member (255 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-16-11 04:21 PM
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103. Precisely!
Infantile, frat-boy nonsense with cock pictures is one thing. Lying through his teeth about it for more than a week is another.
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Scuba Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-16-11 10:45 AM
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39. Bingo.
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jwirr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-16-11 11:23 AM
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76. Weiner is responsible for the pictures and the cover up but we all
know that this would never have led to a resignation if not for the others. There are people in Congress who have done much worse and did not resign.
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Stinky The Clown Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-16-11 10:14 AM
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2. Holy shit
I agree with you.
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nobodyspecial Donating Member (309 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-16-11 10:17 AM
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3. Yeah, Obama publicly backing Weiner
would have been a winner in 2012.
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peace13 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-16-11 10:17 AM
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4. I agree and Obama better be squeaky clean....
because the way he stepped on Weiners head...well they will come after Obama if he so much as sniffs a skirt and demand that he too resign in the grand Weiner fashion!
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MineralMan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-16-11 10:27 AM
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19. I've seen absolutely zero evidence of any such weaknesses
on President Obama's part. I do not believe they exist. He is a serious person.
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krabigirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-16-11 11:04 AM
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58. Sad that all people care about is sex scandals. Bombing and killing people is just fine.
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LynneSin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-16-11 11:24 AM
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77. I've seen Obama do nothing to make him out to stray on his wife
If he has, he's learned how to hide it better than anyone else ever in politics.

Consider this - when the right-wing wanted to bring down Clinton it didn't take much sniffing around to find a story. I suspect if they wanted to find the dirt on Obama messing around on Michelle we would have heard about it by now.

I think Obama recalls his childhood of rarely having a father around and wants to make sure his 2 girls don't go thru the same thing.
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Pisces Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-16-11 04:08 PM
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99. Stupid post.
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peace13 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-16-11 05:25 PM
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108. Thank you for the kind words.
Watch and see. The rules are only for the Dems and they will be used against them again. Don't fool yourself that there won't be a Presidential scandal before the election. Just sayin'.
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CakeGrrl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-16-11 04:31 PM
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106. They've been looking for the hammer to drop on Obama since he announced for President.
Are you demanding that the rest of the Dem leadership be equally clean, or are you just especially irked at the President for some reason?

It's too bad Weiner got on his soapbox about the President not being "a values guy" while he was sending his penis into cyberspace. Tempting fate a bit, wasn't he?
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valerief Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-16-11 10:17 AM
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5. Losing a valuable progressive vote for silly sexting. WTF is wrong with Dem leaders?
Edited on Thu Jun-16-11 10:18 AM by valerief
Weiner should stay.

I guess the Dem leaders want centrist Dems, like Wasserman-Schultz.
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A wise Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-16-11 10:29 AM
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21. Its not just the Dem leaders...
Its those that go alone with what's going on here. Weiner never touched anyone..never had sex with anyone...never commited consumation of an adultry act. Yet here at DU are ready to hang one of the greatest congressional fighters for the people ever. The republicans are laughing at you all as usual.
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Jackpine Radical Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-16-11 10:40 AM
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32. If it were just the sexting, I would agree.
And if he had owned up to it, then said it was nobody's ^@^%$# business, it would have blown over.

As it was, he left his supporters with a sense of being betrayed.

A lot of us (me included) went with his (sort of) denial, the hacking story, and Dumbart's track record, and went out on a limb defending him against the wingnuts. Truth to tell, I thought maybe we had gotten Breitbart exactly in the gunsights of justice for once.

Then he jerked the rug out from those supporters.

Yeah, it's OK with me if he resigns.

And as for the comparison with Clinton, in political terms there is no comparison. The difference is in the practical consequences. The resignation of a liberal Congresscritter from a liberal district is no big deal. A successful impeachment of Clinton would have cost America a great deal.

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valerief Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-16-11 10:56 AM
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52. I care more about his progressive vote than his weiner and lying about his weiner.
I just don't care about sexting at all. It's none of my business.
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MineralMan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-16-11 11:05 AM
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62. Do you suppose that the same people who elected him cannot
elect a suitable replacement?
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valerief Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-16-11 11:48 AM
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83. Trust the devil you know, like they say. nt
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MineralMan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-16-11 11:55 AM
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85. Nah. That doesn't cut it with me.
I thought I knew Weiner. Apparently I didn't.

http://journals.democraticunderground.com/MineralMan/155
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valerief Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-16-11 11:57 AM
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86. Did he stop voting progressive? That's all we need from him. nt
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MineralMan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-16-11 11:59 AM
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87. Reality is more complicated than that.
Sorry.
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valerief Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-16-11 01:13 PM
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95. Non-answer. I only care about his progressive vote. I can only speak for myself. nt
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Lizzie Poppet Donating Member (255 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-16-11 04:24 PM
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104. I suppose Machiavelli had a point, but...
Perhaps the ends do indeed justify the means, but there is also a lot to be said - even from a purely pragmatic standpoint - of not ceding the ethical high ground. More than a week of flagrant (and absurdly futile) lying is NOT something we need any high-profile leftist to be doing.
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-16-11 10:17 AM
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6. Weiner
Edited on Thu Jun-16-11 10:18 AM by ProSense
tweets his penis, lies, apologizes to Breitbart, decides to get treatment, and then resigns.

His fault,

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MineralMan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-16-11 10:18 AM
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7. I disagree. The fault lies with Weiner.
This was so avoidable. What a pity the man's personal foibles brought him down! I would have thought him to be smarter than that.
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valerief Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-16-11 10:19 AM
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10. You are soooooooo wrong. No one on the progressive side really cares about sexting. nt
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Solomon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-16-11 10:21 AM
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12. Yeah but that doesn't mean it's somebody else's fault.
If he had the balls you claim he has, what Pelosi and others said would not have any effect on whether he chose to resign or not.

Get mad at him for resigning, not somebody else.
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valerief Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-16-11 11:01 AM
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54. He may have a literal gun to his head. I always ask, what would the Mafia do?
That's what his opponents (and who they are is up for debate) would do.
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MineralMan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-16-11 10:22 AM
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13. It's always possible that I'm wrong. I've been wrong before.
Edited on Thu Jun-16-11 10:24 AM by MineralMan
However, this was completely avoidable on Weiner's part. Not every elected official has stupid stuff like this in his or her repertoire. Truly. How can someone who depends on public support be so stupid as to do things that will erode that support? I'm sorry, but personal crap like this has brought down many politicians. You'd think people would learn.

Further, some progressives, like myself, have a strong bias toward good character in elected officials. Some of us do care about moronic behavior like this. It shows poor judgment and a failure of critical thinking skills. Both are extremely important to me.

Your opinion, of course, may differ from mine.
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valerief Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-16-11 11:02 AM
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56. Of course, it was avoidable. It's also unimportant and none of our business, too. nt
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MineralMan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-16-11 11:10 AM
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67. Yah, well...people tend to decide for themselves what's important
and what's not. Personally, I could give a crap about some sexual messages. Lying about them? Well, I care about that. Other people's opinions may differ from mine. I was a staunch defender of Weiner until he 'fessed up to his lies. Lying about stuff you've done is a serious character flaw. A very serious one. My Mom taught me that when I was about 5 or 6 years old.
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valerief Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-16-11 11:47 AM
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82. I don't like given up a progressive vote for lying about something unimportant and
something I shouldn't have been made aware of anyway. I've been cheated.
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MineralMan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-16-11 11:54 AM
Response to Reply #82
84. Tell Weiner not to resign, then.
I'm not sure what you want from me. It's his decision.
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Festivito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-16-11 10:24 AM
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15. He's the first one listed! And, how many Congress-critters lack person foibles?
Are you awake during posts?
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MineralMan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-16-11 10:26 AM
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17. None of the Congress members I support have such
Edited on Thu Jun-16-11 10:26 AM by MineralMan
moronic foibles. I know that because I know them.

As for my being awake, this thread is not about me. You're welcome to disagree with me. To insult me? Not so much.
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Festivito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-16-11 10:33 AM
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25. Still, he was the first one listed. And, how many congress-critters lack moronic foibles?
The awake metaphor could be taken as fun or poignant fun. It is noteable how you take it.
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MineralMan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-16-11 10:40 AM
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33. I cannot say how many Congress members have such
foibles. I can say that Weiner does. I know that my own House member does not. Do you know how many have such foibles? If so, post a list.

The only Congressmembers and Senators I can speak about are those I know personally. I know them because I've worked on their campaigns and have dealt with them in person. Each one is a straightforward progressive without such bad habits. How about yours? Do you know them personally? Will you vouch for them?
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Skidmore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-16-11 10:46 AM
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42. Absolutely.
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PeaceNikki Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-16-11 11:37 AM
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79. Yup.
It's always been about the colassal stupidity for me.

People have affairs, sext, flirt all the time. They even lie about it. I am not shocked or appaled or offended by these things.

He sent lewd pictures and communicated with not one, not two, not three, but (at least) SIX random women he didn't know at ALL on the internet. People he didn't know and couldn't even come close to trusting. Now it's an issue and it's the ONLY thing we're talking about. And we wouldn't be if he hadn't been such a fucking fool. His credibility is shot. He clearly has ZERO sense of judgement if he thought his actions would not get out. Fucking idiot. How did you think this would end, Weiner? I really thought you were a smart man.

He used the same account for public communication as he used to tweet his peeper. That's weird and wrong. If any of us had an account on Twitter or Facebook that we used for our high-profile jobs, then used it to find customers/potential customers who liked us to troll for people we could "cyber" with THEN used the SAME said account to do that, we'd quite understandably be toast.

Let's leave this level of stupidity to "them". We're smarter than that.
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MineralMan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-16-11 11:46 AM
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81. +10
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AsahinaKimi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-16-11 10:18 AM
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9. Yes, I agree as well..
One word: "Priorities".
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FLPanhandle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-16-11 10:21 AM
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11. It's solely on Weiner
If he acts more mature than a middle school boy (and even a 13 year old probably knows better), then he's still in office.
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Sinistrous Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-16-11 10:24 AM
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14. Nice preemptive strike on the naming of the real culprit.
"Don't give me any Breitbart..." :rofl:
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Dreamer Tatum Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-16-11 10:26 AM
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18. Oh BULLSHIT
If the PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES comes out and says, "This is a private matter between Weiner and his wife," Breitbart is NEUTERED.

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Sinistrous Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-16-11 10:30 AM
Response to Reply #18
22. I'n sure somewhere in your razor-sharp mind
that statement makes some kind of sense.

Enjoy.
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Dreamer Tatum Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-16-11 10:32 AM
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24. Breitbart: Master of Time, Space, and Dimension
Tell me something...in your world, can Andrew Breitbart fly?

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Sinistrous Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-16-11 10:46 AM
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40. Not yet. He's still only a maggot.
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NoGOPZone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-16-11 10:39 AM
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30. To be fair
Edited on Thu Jun-16-11 10:39 AM by NoGOPZone
Neutering Breitbart is the one worthwhile comment DT has made.
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Solomon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-16-11 10:42 AM
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35. I wish you would explain it to me. I'm scratching my head.
:rofl:
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phleshdef Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-16-11 10:39 AM
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29. Fuck your apolegetics for Breitbart. You just want to bash Obama for Weiner's perverted stupidity.
Guess what? You don't GET to use this as a baseball bat to beat on Obama, or Pelosi or any other Dem whos name isn't Weiner. Its not a privelige you are going to be afforded. Go "OH BULLSHIT" whine and cry about that for awhile now!
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Dreamer Tatum Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-16-11 10:41 AM
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34. Show me the law Weiner violated. Explain to me how they couldn't have supported him. nt
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phleshdef Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-16-11 10:43 AM
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38. No one said he violated any laws. What he did do is turn himself into a distracting EMBARASSMENT.
And he resigned of his own free will. No one forced him to.
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MineralMan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-16-11 11:18 AM
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71. Had he not engaged in a stupid lie, they probably would have.
He showed very poor judgment and he lied when caught. Stupid. Now, he's resigning. That's what people do when they embarrass themselves and their party. They resign.

It's over. Now, the voters in his district will choose a new Representative. Who will it be? That's the next question.
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-16-11 10:47 AM
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43. Wouldn't EXPECT someone who sides with Kochs to side against Breitbart, now would ya?
.
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Dreamer Tatum Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-16-11 10:47 AM
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44. Small thinker, table for one. nt
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namahage Donating Member (678 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-16-11 12:06 PM
Response to Reply #18
88. You mean how the President said that ultimately, it was Weiner's decision
to stay or go?

What happened to Weiner not caring about what either Pelosi or Obama said?

http://www.qgazette.com/news/2011-06-15/Features/Even_Obama_Nudge_Doesnt_Budge_Weiner_From_His_Seat.html

Despite President Barack Obama’s advice to Congressmember Anthony Weiner that if he was in the beleaguered lawmaker’s shoes he would resign, Weiner continued to hold out against top Democrats and many others who have asked him to quit Congress because of his revealed sexting problems.

“I can tell you that if it was me, I would resign,” the president answered to TV coanchor Ann Curry when she asked the president what he would do if he was in Weiner’s position.

But Weiner refused to budge from his standfast position, repeating he wouldn’t make a move until he discussed his calamitous problem with his pregnant wife, Huma Abedin, who was expected to be returning yesterday from a diplomatic mission to Africa with her boss, Secretary of State Hillary Rodham Clinton.

In addition to the president’s first public mention of Weiner’s tawdry behavior, Democratic Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi continued her furious offensive against Weiner, demanding he resign. But Weiner told her he is considering taking a leave of absence, but still refusing to quit.

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Matariki Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-16-11 10:31 AM
Response to Reply #14
23. Yeah, I bet Breitbart and his little minions troll places like DU
That would actually make a lot of sense.
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Sinistrous Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-16-11 10:42 AM
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37. Into non-sequiturs much?
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LibDemAlways Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-16-11 10:25 AM
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16. Vitter is still in the Senate. Larry Craig served out his
term.

Repukes survive sex scandals because they circle the wagons. Dems eat their own.
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Festivito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-16-11 10:28 AM
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20. 5 recs to 1 in roughly 3 minutes.
I didn't think it was that uninteresting.
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divvy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-16-11 10:39 AM
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31. I tried to rec it but it went back to zero.
hmmm ....
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NoGOPZone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-16-11 11:11 AM
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68. It's Pelosi's fault nt
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-16-11 10:34 AM
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robcon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-16-11 10:34 AM
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27. I agree. Weiner did this to himself, and the Democratic leaders urged him to resign.
Edited on Thu Jun-16-11 10:35 AM by robcon
Weiner has no one to blame but himself. He is the one who lied. He is the one who made false accusations.

He made the right decision to resign.
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divvy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-16-11 10:38 AM
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28. May I suggest that the Tweed Hat Dems should go help the Republicans
I mean really. I could not care less about his sexual activities. It should be between him and his wife.

So, may I ask the moral guardians among us these questions:

1) what about homosexuality?
2) what about wife swappers?
3) what about self-satisfiers?
4) what about pornography viewers?

Should these folks loose their jobs too? This puritan sexual values stuff is republican crap.
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MineralMan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-16-11 10:42 AM
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36. What's wrong with homosexuality?
Why would you list that?
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divvy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-16-11 10:53 AM
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49. I dont see anything wrong with homosexuality.
I do not see anything wrong with any of the activities on that list.

It would make sense that anyone who was opposed to "dirty talk" would likely be opposed to everything on that list.
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MineralMan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-16-11 11:04 AM
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60. Uh, no.
And it's not really the texting/sexting thing in the first place. It's the lying after being caught. That's the camel's back-breaking straw.

It all goes to character.

Barney Frank is gay. He keeps getting re-elected. There you go.
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divvy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-16-11 11:07 AM
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66. well, we just have to disagree then
Some would say (not me) that homosexuality goes to character. I just feel it is a slippery slope to use sexual activity between consenting adults in this way.
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MineralMan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-16-11 11:16 AM
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69. It wasn't the sexting. It was the poor judgment and the lying about
it when exposed. Think about it.
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divvy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-17-11 04:30 AM
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111. I do understand your point, but to me, it is a secondary one.
The first media assault was due to the sexting. Without that, there would be no controversy. As to Barney Frank, he is consistently re-elected because his constituents are given the opportunity to do so. What if the voters were denied this opportunity and Mr Frank was pressured into resignation by party leaders? Maybe we should skip the cost of elections and just let the DNC choose our representatives. This whole sexual morality argument is a Republican plank. It is the very platform that the attack on marriage rights stands on.

This is my point.
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Skidmore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-16-11 10:46 AM
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41. I don't even know how to respond to that list, which
mixes apples and oranges to the nth degree. And this Tweed Hat Dem crap just smacks of trying to make a RW type label stick.
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divvy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-16-11 11:02 AM
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55. It mixes nothing. When we start using sexuality as criteria
When we start using sexuality as a critera, then when do we stop? Make no mistake here, the social conservatives are winning this one.

So, some have the right to judge sexual behavior between consenting adults while their personal sexuality is sanctified and unquestioned? This sexual morality stuff is republican crap.
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WinkyDink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-16-11 10:51 AM
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47. Weiner didn't "loose" [sic] his job; HE RESIGNED from it.
LOSE.
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krabigirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-16-11 11:04 AM
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61. I wish all corporate and puritanical Dems would join the GOP.
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ellie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-16-11 10:49 AM
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45. It is Weiner's fault
and his fault alone. News flash! No one wants to see a picture of your penis!
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NeedleCast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-16-11 10:50 AM
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46. One of the four names you listed is the one responsible
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WinkyDink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-16-11 10:53 AM
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48. "Pelosi, DWS, and Obama made this happen." Anthony, is that you?
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Dreamer Tatum Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-16-11 10:55 AM
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51. He said he wasn't resigning. Those three either told him to or said they would.
And those three are not exactly busboys in a cafeteria.
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WinkyDink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-16-11 11:17 AM
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70. Oh, is that what Anthony SAID? WHAT ELSE was he going to say, a week ago??!
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-16-11 12:42 PM
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93. His WIFE and he made the decision....period. The difference is that she returned home.
Edited on Thu Jun-16-11 12:43 PM by blm
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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-16-11 10:54 AM
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50. Ever hear of Clarence Thomas?
See what Mr. Weiner had to say about him from the floor of the U.S. House of Representatives.
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Dreamer Tatum Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-16-11 10:57 AM
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53. So Clarence Thomas called Obama and told him not to support Weiner?
Likewise with the Dem leadership?

Wow, Clarence Thomas is a BAMF. Can he also make it rain, and turn lead to gold?
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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-16-11 12:07 PM
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89. Gee. That's not what I thought or wrote.
Here's what I hoped you'd have gotten from my post:



The Honorable Justice Clarence Thomas
United States Supreme Court Building
1 First Street Northeast
Washington, D.C. 20543

Dear Justice Thomas:

As an Associate Justice, you are entrusted with the responsibility to exercise the highest degree of discretion and impartiality when deciding a case. As Members of Congress, we were surprised by recent revelations of your financial ties to leading organizations dedicated to lobbying against the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act. We write today to respectfully ask that you maintain the integrity of this court and recuse yourself from any deliberations on the constitutionality of this act.

The appearance of a conflict of interest merits recusal under federal law. From what we have already seen, the line between your impartiality and you and your wife's financial stake in the overturn of health care reform is blurred. Your spouse is advertising herself as a lobbyist who has "experience and connections and appeals to clients who want a particular decision - they want to overturn health care reform. Moreover, your failure to disclose Ginny Thomas's receipt of $686,589 from the Heritage Foundation, a prominent opponent of health care reform, between 2003 and 2007 has raised great concern.

This is not the first case where your impartiality was in question. As Common Cause points out, you “participated in secretive political strategy sessions, perhaps while the case was pending, with corporate leaders whose political aims were advanced by the <5-4> decision on the Citizens United case. Your spouse also received an undisclosed salary paid for by undisclosed donors as CEO of Liberty Central, a 501(c)(4) organization that stood to benefit from the decision and played an active role in the 2010 elections.

Given these facts, there is a strong conflict between the Thomas household's financial gain through your spouse's activities and your role as a Associate Justice of the United States Supreme Court. We urge you to recuse yourself from this case. If the U.S. Supreme Court's decision is to be viewed as legitimate by the American people, this is the only correct path.

We appreciate your thoughtful consideration of this request.

Sincerely,
ANTHONY D. WEINER
Member of Congress



Clarence Thomas was put where he is by America's rabid right, the War Party. As an Associate Justice of the U.S. Supreme Court, he helps them get away with murder, along with a lot of other treasons from thievery to warmongering to lying America into illegal, immoral and unnecessary wars.

Almost alone, it seems, Weiner stood up to stop them. I wish President Obama would stand up with Weiner.
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krabigirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-16-11 11:02 AM
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57. The whole thing is a joke. I am disgusted with the party. Have been for a while but this...
This handwringing, this puritanism all while cheering on Obama while he strips away civil liberties and drops bombs overseas...it makes me beyond sick.
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Solomon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-16-11 11:05 AM
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64. You are sick if you insist on bringing Obama into this.
Derangement syndrome. One would think it was Obama who pulled Weiner's dick out and waved it in front of the cameras.
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ecstatic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-16-11 11:04 AM
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59. Huh? Pelosi & Obama forced him to send penis photos to young women and porn stars?
:shrug:
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Dreamer Tatum Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-16-11 11:06 AM
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65. No, they failed to support him though he broke no laws. nt
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WinkyDink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-16-11 11:18 AM
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72. Anthony lost on the "Ewwww!! Gross!!" Factor. Law ain't the only standard for humans.
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bigwillq Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-16-11 11:05 AM
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63. Weiner (nt)
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LynneSin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-16-11 11:18 AM
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73. And the republicans would use that against us had Weiner stayed in office
Trust me, they don't want Weiner resigning - they want him around to be the poster boy of what slimey people the democrats are. And yes, they have their own slimeballs but Republicans have always been the party of "Do as we say not as we do".

Weiner will be back in 5 years, give or take. He's 47 years old and I still believe he has a bright political future.
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Tarheel_Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-16-11 11:21 AM
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74. Whoever's responsible, I say Bravo!
:applause:

This asshole has sucked up two weeks of headlines with his sick ass. The media could have been focusing on the upset Democratic win in the NY-26, but no we had to be sidetracked by Anthony's weiner?

Dems had Repukes on the ropes due to the fiasco that is known as the "Ryan Budget", and we have to stop and deal with Anthony's personal issues?

You can blame the President for a lot of things, but tweetin' Anthony's package ain't one of them. Dollars to donuts, Weiner didn't resign because of pressure from Democrats. There's another shoe to drop, and I'm willing to bank on it.

With him gone, perhaps he moves from the headlines to the back pages, and we can get on with the business of the country? :shrug:
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Politicalboi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-16-11 11:35 AM
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78. The media now wondering
Why others weren't called to resign for their scandals. Hmmmmmm I wonder why? Assholes.
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Rex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-16-11 11:44 AM
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80. Funny what is off the table and what is not.
He should have kept his weiner off the table! To bad he wasn't a war criminal, war dodging simpleton like GWB!!!
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Kermitt Gribble Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-16-11 12:16 PM
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90. Agree 100% n/t
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WhiteTara Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-16-11 12:20 PM
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91. Where does Clarence fit in?
Do you think they are protecting him? I find this very confusing. They didn't work like that to rid us of Ensign or Foley or any of the others...Wide stance is still in congress, but Weiner has a funny name and he was zeroing on Clarence and his IRS problem. :shrug:
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Dreamer Tatum Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-16-11 12:21 PM
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92. He was a friend of Wally's, and the kids call him 'Lumpy.' nt
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pipi_k Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-16-11 01:26 PM
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98. When he grew up he became Clarence the cross eyed lion... n/t
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WhiteTara Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-17-11 07:51 PM
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112. ...
okay, I've been pondering your message and before it disappears, I can only think of Wally Amos; and he is an incredbile human...which Wally are you referring to? Oh, and I read that Stumpy as in Stumpy and Ren. Update me!
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graywarrior Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-16-11 01:16 PM
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96. I wish he didn't have to resign, and I've been supporting him all along...however...
he's become an albatross and he did, indeed, do this to himself. He needs help and we need clean dems to stand up for us, not ones who get in the way of progress.
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pipi_k Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-16-11 01:24 PM
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97. Then there's the nature of politics and human relationships...
I wasn't (and still am not) all that familiar with Weiner so I never knew what I just found out a few minutes ago on the news.

Seems that Anthony Weiner was described as having few friends in Congress because of his abrasive personality.

Well when I first saw him on TV defending himself from the accusations, I did think he was a bit...arrogant. But I figured, OK...I would probably be very pissy myself under similar circumstances.

But it seems that's his usual style.

And there's one thing that doesn't go very far in human relationships...that's the inability to get along with others.

I don't mean kissing ass, either.

One of the most beloved Reps from my own state...the late Joe Moakley...was liked by nearly everyone. I don't think I ever heard anyone say a bad word about him. But that didn't make him a kiss-ass. Far from it. He could fight with the best of them...he just knew how to do it so nobody felt disrespected or demeaned.


So. What many here don't seem to understand is that you can't treat other people like shit and then expect them to support you when the chips are down.

I don't hold anyone BUT Anthony Weiner responsible for his own downfall.
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Obamanaut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-16-11 04:12 PM
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100. Whoever pressed the 'send' button originally is the one responsible. That
same person made the decision to resign.

No one else.
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Harmony Blue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-16-11 04:14 PM
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101. I agree that this was a failure of Democrats all around
but some are not willing to accept this. We still support Democrats, but this definitely was not productive in bringing up the critical issue of jobs that seems to be tossed on the back burner because of Weinergate.

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lynne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-16-11 04:17 PM
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102. Close but no cigar. Only the first name was correct. -
- Weiner alone is responsible for his failings which caused his resignation. To accuse or blame anyone else is excusing him for his behavior.
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cherokeeprogressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-16-11 04:25 PM
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105. Weiner and only Weiner.
Weiner tweeted his own Johnson, then lied his ass off about it. Not only to us but to his colleagues in the House and Senate.
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Hassin Bin Sober Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-16-11 04:38 PM
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107. Wait weren't you one of the vocal proponents of Weiner's resignation right here on DU?
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Dreamer Tatum Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-16-11 05:55 PM
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110. Changed my mind a few days ago. Search is your friend. nt
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DCBob Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-16-11 05:30 PM
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109. Congrats to them all for making it happen!!
cheers!
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