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Hissyspit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-16-11 11:37 AM
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Glenn Greenwald: "Anthony Weiner was forced from office, but..."
Edited on Thu Jun-16-11 12:18 PM by Hissyspit
@ggreenwald: "Anthony Weiner was forced from office, but George Bush & Dick Cheney - torture, illegal eavesdropping, 100,000s dead in Iraq - weren't"

https://twitter.com/#!/ggreenwald/status/81392296393834496

And their scurrilous impact continues...

RawStory: Scary: Bush admin. reportedly asked CIA to discredit a liberal blogger http://bit.ly/mCgvnd


Anthony Weiner's Voting Record: http://www.ontheissues.org/NY/Anthony_Weiner.htm

  • Rated 100% by NARAL, indicating a pro-choice voting record. (Dec 2003)
  • Rated 100% by the HRC, indicating a pro-gay-rights stance. (Dec 2006)
  • Rated 94% by the NAACP, indicating a pro-affirmative-action stance. (Dec 2006)
  • Rated 100% by APHA, indicating a pro-public health record. (Dec 2003)

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City Lights Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-16-11 11:37 AM
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1. K&R. nt
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Hissyspit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-16-11 07:31 PM
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89. Juan Cole's Response to Bush/CIA Allegation:
Edited on Thu Jun-16-11 07:31 PM by Hissyspit
http://www.juancole.com/2011/06/retd-cia-official-alleges-bush-white-house-used-agency-to-get-cole.html

- snip -

It seems to me clear that the Bush White House was upset by my blogging of the Iraq War, in which I was using Arabic and other primary sources, and which contradicted the propaganda efforts of the administration attempting to make the enterprise look like a wild shining success.

Carle’s revelations come as a visceral shock. You had thought that with all the shennanigans of the CIA against anti-Vietnam war protesters and then Nixon’s use of the agency against critics like Daniel Ellsberg, that the Company and successive White Houses would have learned that the agency had no business spying on American citizens.

I believe Carle’s insider account and discount the glib denials of people like Low. Carle is taking a substantial risk in making all this public. I hope that the Senate and House Intelligence Committees will immediately launch an investigation of this clear violation of the law by the Bush White House and by the CIA officials concerned. Like Mr. Carle, I am dismayed at how easy it seems to have been for corrupt WH officials to suborn CIA personnel into activities that had nothing to do with national security abroad and everything to do with silencing domestic critics. This effort was yet another attempt to gut the Fourth Amendment of the US Constitution, in this case as part of an effort to gut the First Amendment of the US Constitution.

I should point out that my blog was begun in 2002 with an eye toward analyzing open source information on the struggle against al-Qaeda. In 2003 I also began reporting on the unfolding Iraq War. My goal was to help inform the public and to present sources and analysis on the basis of my expertise as a Middle East and South Asia expert. In 2003-2005 and after I on a few occasions was asked to speak to military and intelligence professionals, most often as part of an inter-agency audience, and I presented to them in person distillations of my research. I never had a direct contract with the CIA, but some of the think tanks that every once in a while asked me to speak were clearly letting analysts and field officers know about the presentations (which were most often academic panels of a sort that would be mounted at any academic conference), and they attended. I should underline that these presentations involved small travel expenses and a small honorarium, and that I wasn’t a high-paid consultant but clearly was expected to speak my views and share my conclusions frankly. It was not a regular gig. Apparently one of the purposes of spying on me to discredit me, from the point of view of the Bush White House, was ironically to discourage Washington think tanks from inviting me to speak to the analysts, not only of the CIA but also the State Department Intelligence and Research and other officials concerned with counter-terrorism and with Iraq.

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butterfly77 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-16-11 11:38 AM
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2. Kick,kick,kick &recommended!
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ej510 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-16-11 11:39 AM
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3. Anthony Weiner is a disgrace. Murdering people for profit is honorable.
:sarcasm:
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Blue Owl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-16-11 11:42 AM
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4. Pics of naked people are bad unless the GOP is torturing them
n/t
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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-16-11 01:42 PM
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+1
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maddiemom Donating Member (70 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-17-11 12:31 PM
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125. Naked torture
Good one!
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valerief Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-16-11 02:38 PM
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46. +2
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City Lights Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-16-11 02:51 PM
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49. !
:thumbsup:
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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-16-11 05:37 PM
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69. + 4
These aren't simple gangsters, they are traitors.
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HighLowRoller87 Donating Member (116 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-16-11 09:31 PM
Response to Reply #69
101. HELL YES!! Which is why I have lost such respect for Democrats.
I'm so fuckin through x(
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Gregorian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-16-11 05:50 PM
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75. I've just realized Dick Cheney's man safe contained an actual man.
Whether or not one wanted Weiner gone, it's an outrage.
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tomp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-17-11 07:44 AM
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115. or several skeletons. nt
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Smarmie Doofus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-16-11 06:41 PM
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86. Whoa. + 2012. nt
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krabigirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-16-11 07:31 PM
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90. +1000
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slutticus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-16-11 11:51 AM
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5. Didn't you hear?
OFF THE TABLE


fuck you pelosi.

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hifiguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-16-11 11:54 AM
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6. Once again, Greenwald nails it. nt
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gratuitous Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-16-11 11:54 AM
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7. Nice to see the auto-unrec for Greenwald crew was overwhelmed on this one
Because regardless of the source, the point being made here is remarkably valid.
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whatchamacallit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-16-11 02:53 PM
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51. +1 n/t
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leveymg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-17-11 07:34 AM
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114. I'll wager the overlap between the anti-Greenwald and anti-Weiner crews is 85% or more
Largely the same group of Blue Dog party syncophants and just plain shit-stirring trolls that have been running Hate the Left crusades around here. They have their unwitting followers, who just enjoy piling on, as well.

They have so many sock puppets, it's not easy to identify them except by style of attack.
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robcon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-16-11 11:55 AM
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8. He wasn't forced from office. His lies and false accusations did it to himself
n/t
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Solomon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-16-11 12:18 PM
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19. Amazing how they give him a pass on this and blame
everybody else.

I guess people think it's real simple, open and shut, and done in a flash, to prosecute the crimes that Bushco did. I imagine it would be just as easy to prosecute them, as showing pictures of Weiner's shlong.
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JDPriestly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-16-11 12:21 PM
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21. What an excuse, Solomon!
The only real difference is that Nancy Pelosi is a coward. Bush and Cheney should have been impeached for their lies about the WMDs. Yes, it is a lie to present as truth something for which you have no reliable evidence. And Greenspan should have been fired.
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Hissyspit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-16-11 12:22 PM
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22. Um, there was no attempt to prosecute the crimes that Bushco did AT ALL.
Plenty of effort to stop any accountability, some of which was probably unconstitutional or illegal itself, dereliction of duty at the least.

No one is giving him a pass.

Try again.
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xphile Donating Member (565 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-16-11 02:51 PM
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50. When Nancy Pelosi took impeachment off the table she showed exactly how much
regard she had for crimes being committed in the White House.

But perfectly legal yet questionable behavior? For that a resignation is necessary.

There is no excuse for Pelosi's cowardice and complicity in Bush's crimes.

What Weiner did doesn't even match levels with what Bush did. Yet Bush will never be prosecuted for his crimes and you have no problem with this? This is why the party loses credibility. I expect this kind of stupidity from Republicans. It is as predicable as their calls for Weiner to resign while Ensign, the rapist, Vitter, the diaper john stay in office (and not only did Vitter not leave office but he received a standing ovation for the moron Republicans upon his return) However, I expect Democrats to be slightly smarter in going after the goals they claim to stand for.

Of course it is entirely possible that the Democratic party doesn't care one whit for the "little guy" and is only making noises to that effect in order to sucker people into voting for them. Because this move cripples the caucus by removing someone who actually had enough guts to take on the Republicans at their own game. (and for those who insist that Weiner didn't do anything it is his persistence that got the 9/11 workers health bill passed, as compromised as that bill was, in the first place as the rest of the Dems didn't seem all that interested in confronting the sons of bitches that is the Republican caucus on it.) So either they are fucking incompetent as hell in which case actual progressives really ought to look for a party elsewhere or they're fucking liars in which case actual progressives really ought to look for a party elsewhere.

Either way this speaks ill of the Democratic party and is yet another reason they're worthy of less respect than I had of them when I woke up this morning.
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Enthusiast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-16-11 04:52 PM
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64. Way to miss the point...nt
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Taverner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-16-11 09:15 PM
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100. Baa
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Parker CA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-16-11 11:56 AM
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9. Kick and Rec!!
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ProgressIn2008 Donating Member (848 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-16-11 11:56 AM
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10. Greenwald nails it, but really, who bears responsibility for that now?
Bush and Cheney walking, that is?
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brooklynite Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-16-11 11:57 AM
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11. Pretty much the same voting record as my Congresswoman, who's a political hack...
Other than voting reliably, and making dramatic speeches on the floor, what did Congressman Weiner do that makes him stand out as irreplaceable?

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Hissyspit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-16-11 12:04 PM
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12. Somebody needs to vote for those things.
If not, somebody will possibly vote AGAINST them. There's a lot to be said for voting reliably. Will his district send someone just as good or better than him back to Congress. Probably. Maybe. Let's hope. I don't think the points made in the OP are about him being irreplaceable.
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xxqqqzme Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-16-11 12:12 PM
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15. You wouldn't ask that question
if your rep was dana rohrbacher.
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brooklynite Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-16-11 12:22 PM
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23. But, Dana Rohrbacher wouldn't win in Weiner's district...
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frylock Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-16-11 02:13 PM
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40. my rep is duncan hunter jr..
and i've asked those same questions. weiner's value was in his ability to get up before congress, or appear on the sunday shows, and speak out on progressive causes. that wasn't going to happen, post sexting.
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sunnystarr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-16-11 01:44 PM
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34. He spoke up for US ...
forcefully and with clarity presenting the difference between us and the policies of the Republicans. He was our VOICE! The Koch machine went to work for months stalking anyone on his twitter list and struck "gold." It sucks that Wiener disappointed us but the process that exposed it sucks even more and is more frightening.
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kenfrequed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-16-11 02:18 PM
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42. + 1000
Yup. This was a hit job and Weiner was nuked for being human. Odd, despite sending pictures and sexting he still foudn time to speak out for the people and be a hundred times more honorable than most of the DLC scum out there.
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frylock Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-16-11 02:10 PM
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39. he's hottt..
believe me, if weiner looked like kucinich he wouldn't be receiving the same level of defense.
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kenfrequed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-16-11 02:16 PM
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41. Gee
I thought their job was to vote for things as a legislative body. Was there another job that he was supposed to be doing? Prepping a K street resume maybe? Maybe if he was kinder to lobbyists the Democratic leadership would have been less wild in assaulting him and trying to push him to resign.
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Luminous Animal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-16-11 05:06 PM
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67. That is patently false. Why did you post something that is so provably false?
NARAL:
Weiner: 100%
Rohrabacher 0%

HRC
Weiner: 100%
Rohrabacher 0%

NAACP
Weiner: 94%
Rohrabacher 17%

APHA, indicating a anti-public health voting record. (Dec 2003)
Weiner: 100%
Rohrabacher 11%

http://www.ontheissues.org/CA/Dana_Rohrabacher.htm
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brooklynite Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-16-11 09:36 PM
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102. Rohrbacher isn't my Congressman...
My Congresswoman is Yvette Clarke, who's district is next door.
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existentialist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-16-11 08:54 PM
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97. The issue is not whether Wiener is irreplaceable.
Edited on Thu Jun-16-11 08:55 PM by existentialist
"The graveyards are full of irreplaceable men."
Charles De Gaulle

The issue is the use of personal flaws to attack political figures.

I have just read, on this, some items very critical of Weiner on fair game political issues related to his unconditional support for Israel; that may be fair game but it is not the issue either.

The issue is whether it is appropriate to use a politicians personal life to discredit him and perhaps force him from office.


Once upon a time the answer was no.


Once upon a time some of the worst moral offenders were champions of liberty. If we are specifically talking sexual offenses, then Benjamin Franklin and John Wilkes (after whom Wilkes-Barre, Pennsylvania, Wilkesboro, North Carolina, and of course John Wilkes Booth were named) were promiscuous beyond what Weiner did and yet they were--and are--still heroes.

Further, and a matter of constitutional law it is not grounds to force an elected official from office. John Wilkes had something to do with this as a matter of American Constitutional law even though he was a British politician, and the United States Supreme Court so held in United States v. Powell (Adam Clayton Powell, Jr.) in the late 60's.

I too have criticized politicians for their personal indiscretions, and it is arguably fair on a different level to attack politicians for their personal sexual morals when they lie, and when they are hypocritical. Weiner lied, I am not aware of him offering himself as a pillar of righteousness and attacking others for their morals when they themselves are doing the same thing for which they attack others.


(Sorry if I went on at over much length here.)
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JackRiddler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-18-11 05:42 PM
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137. So what else are these bozos supposed to do? Provide "role models"?
Voting for the right things (many of them) and making good speeches is what they're good for. Unfortunately the pious posturing about bullshit, ribbon-cutting, flesh-pressing and backroom maneuvering is, unfortunately, more important.
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frogmarch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-16-11 12:06 PM
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13. K&R nt
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krabigirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-16-11 12:12 PM
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14. k & R
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ecstatic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-16-11 12:15 PM
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16. how does he know Weiner was forced out of office? This stuff is really divisive
Edited on Thu Jun-16-11 12:16 PM by ecstatic
Was the media out of line? Yes. Was Breitbart out of line? Yes. Does the GOP do this type of thing and worse and stay in office? Yes.

But Weiner is NOT a victim. He brought all of this on himself. All of us have known for years how the MSM and the GOP operate. You have to adjust to the reality that is and make sensible decisions knowing what we're up against. Weiner did not do this and I'm hoping his replacement will.
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JDPriestly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-16-11 12:23 PM
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25. What crime did Weiner commit?
What has been done to him is the equivalent of impeachment. And impeachment is only appropriate for high crimes and misdemeanors.

Do I like his texting? No.

But it is not illegal and should not be the excuse for getting rid of someone who speaks truth to power. And that is what Weiner did. He was a strong liberal voice. He cannot be replaced. Nancy Pelosis are a dime a dozen in Congress. I hope that she will be replaced.
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Hissyspit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-16-11 12:42 PM
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26. Where anywhere in the OP does it say Weiner is a "victim" or implies he is a "victim?"
The OP is about relativity and context. And contains no porn jokes.
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Blue_Tires Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-16-11 12:15 PM
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17. This is America -- We only know how to do fake, manufactured outrage
the tawdrier the better...
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Inuca Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-16-11 12:17 PM
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18. What about the good old
two wrongs don't make it right? Different kind of wrongs but still. Th ebest one can say about Weiner is that he has a serious problem that hopefully he can address somehow. The worst is that he is a fool (capital F). In either case, he does not belong in the House. Is he a criminal? Most probably not, but that's not enough of a qualification. And yes, I know about Vitter, etc., etc., all repugnant. It's still not a justification for Weiner.

One last thing: I did like him quite a lot and I still feel like pinching myself to realize that this whole sad ugly story is true.
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Hissyspit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-16-11 12:20 PM
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20. "He does not belong in the House."
Lots of people in the House don't belong in the House.
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Inuca Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-16-11 12:23 PM
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24. Definitely agree with that!
It still does nto make it right.
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Plucketeer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-16-11 01:36 PM
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28. I'm sorry...
I see YOUR stance as making it "Right". Makes me think of a flag valiantly waving at the tip-top of a ship's mast as it disappears into the abyss. Yup! that banner was doing it's job til the very last minute. Never mind that the ship it rode above had leaked faster than the crew could bail. And THAT standard's show is what matters!
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lumberjack_jeff Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-16-11 01:26 PM
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27. Now that Wiener is gone and no longer a distraction, congress will get right on that.
Right? Right? Bueller?
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placton Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-16-11 01:37 PM
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29. Obama, Pelosi
why do we need the Democratic Party? They carry GOP water much of the time - and wont even be rewarded for their hypocrisy.
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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-16-11 01:38 PM
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30. Kick & Recommend.
Listen up: @ggreenwald: "Anthony Weiner was forced from office, but George Bush & Dick Cheney - torture, illegal eavesdropping, 100,000s dead in Iraq - weren't"
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Sequoia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-16-11 01:39 PM
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31. Off the subject but did you know Ceiling Cat was featured on
Dave Letterman's Top Ten list last week. That was so funny because I had just put up a CC photo as my FB profile that very day.
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Hissyspit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-16-11 01:40 PM
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32. I did not know that.
:)


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libmom74 Donating Member (577 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-16-11 01:42 PM
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33. Who needs Repukes
when we have good little Germans um I mean Democrats to do their dirty work for them.
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Matariki Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-16-11 01:45 PM
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35. Thank you.
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JoePhilly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-16-11 01:48 PM
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36. There is one thing that could have prevented all this ...
Weiner could have decided NOT to send pics of his junk to women he didn't know personally.

I hoped he'd stay in. But each day, this got worse and worse. More and more pics.

So, for all of the bitching and moaning about who "forced him out" ... the responsibility for this mess lands literally, "in his lap".

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the_chinuk Donating Member (240 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-16-11 02:03 PM
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37. Anyone who needs to understand the double-standard …
… operating amongst liberal Democrats and any conservative Republican need look no farther than here.
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Enthusiast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-16-11 04:58 PM
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65. They look but they cannot see.
It's a sort of forest-trees phenomenon.
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frylock Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-16-11 02:09 PM
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38. rated 100% by narcissistic dumbasses
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bluestateboomer Donating Member (313 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-16-11 02:23 PM
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43. Cowards and Hypocrites.
Once again we make sure congress is populated by a majority of cowards and hypocrites. Or maybe just the people who take the biggest bribes.:mad:
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quaker bill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-16-11 03:46 PM
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58. Or perhaps just don't post their junk on twitter...
I guess that means I am qualified.
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Enthusiast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-16-11 05:00 PM
Response to Reply #58
66. Always remember, posting your junk is
worse than killing hundreds of thousands over a complete lie. :sarcasm:
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quaker bill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-18-11 07:40 AM
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133. Yes, "but nobody could have known"
that dropping 800,000 pounds of high explosives on Baghdad in an evening would kill so many people.... Sarcasm...
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Major Hogwash Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-16-11 02:30 PM
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44. We're bombing Libya, Pakistan, and Yemen while the media focused on this issue
And like someone else already pointed out, Weiner would not have had to resign if it were not for the constant bashing by the mainstream media for the last 2½ weeks.

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valerief Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-16-11 02:40 PM
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47. The Free Market Media. Protecting the Free Market at the expense of humanity. nt
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Dokkie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-16-11 03:37 PM
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57. yep, its the free market alright
if you forget the little fact that it is licensed by the govt and regulated by the FCC. The internet and in this case DU is the free market media and not the mainstream media.
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julian09 Donating Member (418 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-16-11 02:56 PM
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54. Murdock owns a lot of media in NYC
it wasn't going away as long as he had something to counter the upstate house loss coverage.
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bdamomma Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-17-11 08:49 AM
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118. also the media is runned by conservatives too.
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valerief Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-16-11 02:38 PM
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45. Losing Weiner is a great loss for Americans. nt
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bdamomma Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-17-11 08:35 AM
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117. I think so too.
he advocated for the American people.
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sabrina 1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-16-11 02:50 PM
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48. Greenwald is one of the few
who can be called a true progressive, along with Weiner of course.

As always he hits the nail on the head.

:kick:
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whatchamacallit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-16-11 02:53 PM
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52. K&R n/t
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-16-11 02:55 PM
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53. Voted for the IWR 2002
"Anthony Weiner was forced from office, but George Bush & Dick Cheney - torture, illegal eavesdropping, 100,000s dead in Iraq - weren't"

Leave it to Greenwald to conflate nonsense!

Weiner could have spent the time demanding Bush and Cheney be prosecuted instead of tweeting his penis. Oh well!



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sabrina 1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-17-11 03:00 AM
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111. Leave it to you to make sure we never forget that
no matter how wrong the party is, we must not be disloyal! :eyes:

You are in the minority on what this party's priorities ought to be. Accept it. The people have spoken and Greenwald speaks for the people. You, I guess, speak for an increasingly unpopular party. Did you know that Weiner's poll numbers are higher than the president's? I guess the people have different priorities to the party of the people.
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Creideiki Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-17-11 07:17 AM
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112. You say this like Obama deserves credit
Almost 10 years into Afghanistan and no intent to leave. That's not peace.

Still a presence in Iraq and no intent to leave. That's not peace.

Invading Libya and no intent to leave and twisting into pretzel-like contortions to stay indefinitely. That's not peace.

I'm sorry you were had. The first step is admitting it.
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-16-11 03:07 PM
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55. We all understand the wrongs of Bush/Cheney -- where's Obama and DOJ/Holder?
Edited on Thu Jun-16-11 03:10 PM by defendandprotect
That doesn't mean that any of us thinks that we need to make the world

safe for our politicians -- male or female -- to e-mail pictures of their

genitals to the political fans on the internet!!

This type of debate is the same which suggests that arguing that Obama and

his administrtion needs to move to the LEFT means that we are going to move

to the RIGHT!

It's poorly thought out -- We need the appropriate things to be done re Bush/

Cheney -- jail would be what I'd recommend -- and we need the appropriate things

done re Weiner --

which is resignation -- obviously what he did was hugely foolish and ill advised

-- symbolic of very poor judgement -- and an embarrassment to the Democratic

Party and to those voters who supported him!!

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JJW Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-16-11 03:36 PM
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56. Our infantile society ....
Our infantile society can't handle a picture of that body part, called the penis. It'll rot your brain and destroy the family unit.
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hay rick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-16-11 04:16 PM
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59. Now that is one obscene tweet.
K&R.
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marions ghost Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-16-11 04:19 PM
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60. thanks Hissyspit
for putting the Big Picture out there.

People are flawed and not always careful. And so Anthony Weiner was successfully scapegoated. The punishment doesn't fit the indiscretions in any way but people overlook that in the rush to blame and censure. And righteous Democrats think it was necessary.

We the People are the losers when this type of witch-hunt is effective.

Some days this country just stinks.
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myrna minx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-16-11 04:24 PM
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61. K&R n/t
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Unvanguard Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-16-11 04:27 PM
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62. I don't like Glenn Greenwald, but he is absolutely right about this. n/t
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Enthusiast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-16-11 04:50 PM
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63. Troubling.
Don't you think? Not a word in the media about this ridiculous double standards and hypocrisy. I mean, this is a REAL story.
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mzmolly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-16-11 05:33 PM
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68. Pathetic.
Edited on Thu Jun-16-11 05:37 PM by mzmolly
nt
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oldbanjo Donating Member (223 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-16-11 05:40 PM
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70. He will probably get re elected in a few months.
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bjobotts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-16-11 05:42 PM
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71. Dems need a louder Media megaphone as MSM always follows repub agenda
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bjobotts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-16-11 05:44 PM
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73. Didn't think he should and really wished he hadn't.Such a petty ordeal yet IOKIYAR
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Creideiki Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-16-11 05:43 PM
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72. I recommended--which probably adds my name to "The List"
That's "The List of the Next Up to be Purged."

So be it.

Maybe DU3 will be explicitly be named "Conservative Straight Democratic Underground." At least that would be truth in advertising.
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Scottybeamer70 Donating Member (844 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-16-11 05:45 PM
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74. Thank you, Hissyspit......
and I wonder who is on their list as the next target.
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abelenkpe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-16-11 05:57 PM
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76. K & R nt
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LoZoccolo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-16-11 06:01 PM
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77. Glenn Greenwald: automatic unrecommend n/t
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MrMickeysMom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-16-11 06:05 PM
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79. recommended... just for that
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whatchamacallit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-16-11 06:17 PM
Response to Reply #77
82. self delete
Edited on Thu Jun-16-11 06:23 PM by whatchamacallit
for lameness.
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Hissyspit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-16-11 07:25 PM
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88. LOL
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MrMickeysMom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-16-11 06:04 PM
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78. Right, Hissyspit...
I guess they made short work of THAT!

What a fucking crime it is that Pelosi not only couldn't take this one off the table, but the main pedestal of the table was so far up her ass, you KNOW that she was covering for the WRONG team.

I'm pissed off at Weiner just like I'm pissed off at Bill Clinton for thinking with their DICKS... Dudes... you are really fucked up.

But, you know who's fucked up ever more? Yep...
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disillusioned73 Donating Member (963 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-16-11 06:05 PM
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80. K&R
What a sad bunch we have in the "leadership" positions of this party...
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pacalo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-16-11 06:12 PM
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81. And DAVID VITTER continues on pointing fingers & preaching FAMILY VALUES.
:silly:
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swilton Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-16-11 06:22 PM
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83. K&R
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Smarmie Doofus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-16-11 06:39 PM
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84. Rec # 202. And reason # 200002 why I won't be able to part w. $$$...
... for Obama and/or DNC this year.

Not to mention travel to battleground states like I did in '08. Are you fucking kidding me??


I'll *probably* vote straight DEM, given the alternative ... and the fact that there's no primary challenge ( That's a fucking tragedy.)

But beyond that... they're on their own. If they flop in the general... I'll be here( and lots like me) to pick up the pieces.



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SusanaMontana41 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-16-11 06:40 PM
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85. Highly recommended. Thanks, Hissy.
Now I'm going to vomit.
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certainot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-16-11 06:55 PM
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87. right will control relative media importance as long as left ignores 1000 coordinated radio station
and that is the main reason the double standard is so blatant.

this hypocrisy cannot be created with TV and print or on a relatively democratic internet- the radio monopoly is a giant buzz machine that mad avenue would die for and it gets a total free speech free ride from the left while it decides what is acceptable or not and what molehills become mountains and for how long.

until the left starts picketing those stations, boycotting and shaming their local sponsors, and stopping their universities from endorsing the right wing think tank coordinated blowhards by broadcasting their sports on them, it will continue. and it is the biggest blunder in political history considering the time we've lost on global warming, the selling of unnecessary war and deregulation, and the defeat of single payer.

here's a petition re universities and talk radio

http://signon.org/sign/american-universities-1?source=c.url&r_by=241761

“We the undersigned demand that our state-funded universities and colleges immediately find alternative non-partisan radio stations to broadcast their athletics.

By broadcasting on Rush Limbaugh and other political talk radio stations they endorse partisan political propaganda, global warming denial, hate, racism, and attacks on our unions and teachers, and therefore contradict their own stated goals and mission statements.”
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Doctor_J Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-17-11 11:27 AM
Response to Reply #87
123. Pickets and boycotts don't work
You're right about needing to balance the media, but picketing will only result in worn out shoes. Think a little more assertively
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certainot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-17-11 02:51 PM
Response to Reply #123
127. we've had this discussion before-- no one has tried it yet how can you say it won't work?
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Doctor_J Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-17-11 05:28 PM
Response to Reply #127
130. If you want to see the value of peaceful protests and such, look at WI
They have been demonstrating, picketing, camping out, walking the streets, signing petitions, ... and accomplished absolutely nothing

Right wing radio doesn't exist because Joe's hardware on Main buys a few spots. It's funded by billionaire tyrants who would gladly pay a tiny fraction of their tax cuts to keep their propaganda flowing. It's basically like Pravda in the old USSR, except there the central government ran the police state, and pumped out the lies. Here the giant corporations run the police state, so they fund & produce the lies.

You are correct that taking Hate Radio down is essential to rescuing what's left of the US. Your insistence that picketing will do the job is ridiculous.
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certainot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-17-11 06:18 PM
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131. WI protests haven't done it (except recalls) BECAUSE of RW radio. that's why protests AT stations
are what is needed, as well as shaming of LOCAL sponsors and universities that give those stations credibility by broadcasting sports on them.

the blowhards have a bigger megaphone. why should GOP politicians worry about protests if the local RW station reaches 10 times the people every day distorting the protestors aims and making excuses for the GOP corruption? 1310 WIBA, the limbaugh station in madison, WHICH DOES BADGER BROADCASTING, gets walker's back every day- that is its function, and it relentlessly does the work of tens of thousands of protestors merely because they are the loudest station around and the 20 or so other limbaugh stations in the state go right along with them.

it is fucking stupid for the eft to let those stations blast away all day undoing their work without someone getting in their face.

the political power centers are those stations, not the capitols- they need not only picketing at stations where location is appropriate, until local sponsors are shamed into retracting their sponsorship, but other forms of challenge as well.

see the petition i mention below.

http://signon.org/sign/american-universities-1?source=c.url&r_by=241761
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Doctor_J Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-17-11 11:36 PM
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132. How is that petition drive going?
How many stations have been taken off the air? I would say roughly none. Your petitions will be precisely as productive as the WI camp-ins - useless.

Local sponsors will not be shamed into anything.

What other forms of challenge?

We're not going to start reclaiming the nation until we stop all of the useless, unproductive bullshit

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certainot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-18-11 10:02 AM
Response to Reply #132
134. you really do sound like a troll, it costs you nothing to agree in general but you dis any real
action and have no suggestions of your own
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Doctor_J Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-18-11 03:10 PM
Response to Reply #134
135. I most certainly do have some ideas
they don't conform to the rules of DU. As for trolling, I've been here for 10 years so I must be trolling veeewwwwy carefuwy. Dis any real action? I'll let you know when I see some. I was 4-square behind the Madison protests when they began. But after a couple weeks of no change in the behavior of the protestees, I then posted that it was time to do something different. I believe Einstein's observation that one definition of insanity is to do the same thing over and over, and expect different results.
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certainot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-18-11 05:01 PM
Response to Reply #135
136. well then you ought to at least consider doing something that's never been done before- the opposite
of ignoring talk radio
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certainot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-17-11 02:55 PM
Response to Reply #123
129. here's a petition to stop universities from endorsing RW radio with sports broadcasting
http://signon.org/sign/american-universities-1?source=c.url&r_by=241761

text:

American Universities: Stop broadcasting athletics on Rush Limbaugh radio stations.

To be delivered to: American Universities and Colleges

“We the undersigned demand that our state-funded universities and colleges immediately find alternative non-partisan radio stations to broadcast their athletics.

By broadcasting on Rush Limbaugh and other political talk radio stations they endorse partisan political propaganda, global warming denial, hate, racism, and attacks on our unions and teachers, and therefore contradict their own stated goals and mission statements.”

Most talk radio stations in the US are dedicated to partisan politics and pro corporate propaganda. On most, only a small percentage of their prime time broadcasting includes non-partisan programing including state and local sports, weather, and traffic.


By broadcasting athletics on these stations our universities endorse and give community credibility and acceptability to talk stars like Rush Limbaugh, Sean Hannity, and Michael Savage, and significantly increase their local ad revenues.
Most national talkers are protected by call screeners from challenge and correction. There is evidence of regular participation by paid callers.


Long term attacks by these and other national and local talkers directed at teachers, unions, global warming science, as well as coordinated political disinformation and direct and inferred racism, sexism, and hate mongering, make radio stations that broadcast them unacceptable partners for American institutions of higher learning, as well as their students and faculty.

Please feel free to adapt this petition to your university or college.
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-16-11 07:33 PM
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91. NEVER happens that I disagree with you, Hissy -- !! :(
Edited on Thu Jun-16-11 07:34 PM by defendandprotect
Hi Hissyfit -- Shocking to be disagreeing with you -- NEVER happens --

In explaining myself, I would use the examples we see all the time at DU --

If you disagree with Obama, then you must want to vote for McCain/Palin -- !!



It isn't either/or --

Bush/Cheney are evil on an international scale and should be in prison for life --

AND Weiner behaved inappropriately; in fact, showed very immature and poor judgment and

doesn't deserve to be in Congress.


Frankly, the many here who seem to be suggesting that the salvation of our government

and the future of the nation were balanced SOLELY on the head of a pin held by Weiner

really have to rethink where the rest of the Democratic Congress is on the issues

which Weiner fought for and why they are absent.


Sad to say that corporate/fascism has bought our government and elected officials and

our candidates -- leaving us with corporate-prostitutes representing us!



Let's concentrate less on the absence of Weiner and more on the silence of Democrats

on so many issues!!



:)

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Duct Tape Donating Member (117 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-16-11 07:34 PM
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92. We've all remained focused
Edited on Thu Jun-16-11 07:35 PM by Duct Tape
on this distraction even after it's finally supposed to be over. *Sigh* What Wiener did was bad; what Vitter did was bad. Vitter did something illegal, Wiener didn't. Wiener dug his own grave with his lies, but the MSM is responsible for actually burying him.
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-16-11 07:46 PM
Response to Reply #92
93. Still discussion, 'cause there are still some things to work thru ....
Edited on Thu Jun-16-11 07:51 PM by defendandprotect
First -- the idea that this is about sexual liberation -- !! :evilgrin:

Some here have the idea that if it's about SEX, then it's OK no matter what the

circumstances. No matter the issue -- there is always a line which if crossed makes it wrong.


Imagine had Obama e-mailed pics of his genitals to some of his political fans on the internet!!

Or if Hillary Clinton had done it -- !!

Would we see this same defense of them -- ?


In fact, many here thought that Weiner would make a good presidential candidate -- !!

And I agreed!!



Secondly --

The notion that ... if Bush and Cheney haven't been held responsible for their crimes

then Weiner must be right and should stay in Congress.

No -- Bush and Cheney should be in jail --

and Weiner behaved inappropriately, showed immaturity and poor judgment -- and doesn't

deserve to remain in Congress.


The parallels to these arguments is that if we're unhappy with Obama's political choices,

then we must wish McCain/Palin had won!

It's a nonsense argument -- and we need to straighten it out -- WHENEVER IT APPEARS!!

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Duct Tape Donating Member (117 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-16-11 08:09 PM
Response to Reply #93
94. Yes, but I don't think that
Edited on Thu Jun-16-11 08:15 PM by Duct Tape
we need the General Discussion forum to be flooded with threads about Wiener. We've had similar discussions on the rationale for Wiener's resignation since the scandal began and I'm tired of it. Personally, I've never used Bush or Cheney as reasons for my support of Wiener and I disagree with anybody who does choose that rationale. However, let's please get over this people.

Edited to add: I just want to make it clear that I don't call for Vitter's resignation either.
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-16-11 08:58 PM
Response to Reply #94
99. There's been a flood of discussion threads supporting him -- and not supporting him ....
but very little discussion of of the actual points I made in my thread --

and, as I noted, they are the same "points" -- and basis in thinking -- which

we see repeated over and again in defense of Obama --

If you don't like Obama then you must want McCain/Palin --

No -- we don't like Obama's policies and we want to move to the LEFT --


Granted you may not have based your arguments in that way -- but most here did --

If GOP is bad, then how can Weiner be bad?


If I recall Vitter, he is the prostitute/diaper rep, right?

Now, why would we want anyone like that floating around Congress?

Now if "John's" were held as responsible as prostitutes are, Vitter would actually

have a record.



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Duct Tape Donating Member (117 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-16-11 10:04 PM
Response to Reply #99
104. I absolutely agree with you
on the irrationality of the "support Obama or you're a right-winger" and the "If the GOP is bad, then how can Weiner be bad?" arguments. I-and I'm sure everybody here agrees-don't like seeing Vitter in congress. My post on Vitter was supposed to show that I wasn't agreeing with the "only the GOP is bad" argument and that I'm consistent with my position. Everything you just said is spot on, I'm just tired of hearing about the whole thing. I supported Weiner because, although I deplore his actions, I believe that the problem is between him and his wife and has nothing to do with politics or his ability to vote on the issues that truly matter to all of us. Now that he's made his final decision, I only hope that a progressive fills his seat.
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-16-11 10:43 PM
Response to Reply #104
105. Suppose Obama had done something like this ....
Edited on Thu Jun-16-11 10:46 PM by defendandprotect
or Hillary -- ?

Would you still say that "the problem is between them and their spouses"?

I supported Weiner because, although I deplore his actions, I believe that the problem is between him and his wife and has nothing to do with politics or his ability to vote on the issues that truly matter to all of us. Now that he's made his final decision, I only hope that a progressive fills his seat.

Otherwise I agree with what else you are saying -- I'd also like to see it go away --

but too much confusion in the arguments being put forth to be put to bed.


For instance, the idea that this is an issue of SEXUAL liberation -- :eyes:

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Duct Tape Donating Member (117 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-16-11 11:11 PM
Response to Reply #105
108. Yes.
Edited on Thu Jun-16-11 11:35 PM by Duct Tape
If Obama or Hillary or even Bush had done something like this, I still would have said that the problem is between them and their spouse. If any of their spouses wanted them to resign I would also support that. I don't like other people telling Weiner to resign, that's my problem with it. However, if Weiner's wife wanted him too then I support that. I'd still be dissapointed with the loss but I would fully support that decision.
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-17-11 11:40 AM
Response to Reply #108
124. Wait ... if Obama e-mailed pics of his genitals to political fans on internet, no problem for you?
Wow -- that is quite overboard, imo --

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MsPithy Donating Member (325 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-16-11 08:20 PM
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95. Weiner should primary Obama.
Just sayin'.
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felix_numinous Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-16-11 08:43 PM
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96. K&R
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Poll_Blind Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-16-11 08:55 PM
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98. K&R!
PB
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saras Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-16-11 09:38 PM
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103. Why such trust of Breitbart?
Does anyone who is familiar with Breitbart's MO really think he would have called that whole team off and bagged the project just because they didn't find anything? If it wasn't sex, it might have been a twenty-year-old real estate deal, or a yard worker hired by his lawn and garden crew turns out to be undocumented, or - given that it's Breitbart, if he didn't find anything real, they just make something up and spread it the same way, with much the same results.

It doesn't matter what you accuse a progressive of, or whether there's any truth behind the allegations, there's going to be a bunch of 'Democrats' popping out of the woodwork to dump on them.

I still haven't seen anything about anything Weiner's done that merits more than a sarcastic "that's cute"
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shimmergal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-17-11 10:19 AM
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119. Exactly.
We'll never win this game until enough Dems understand that's the way it's being played anymore.

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girl_interrupted Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-16-11 10:48 PM
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106.  K&R Leave it to the Dems to kick a guy when he's down
gutless wonders
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democracy1st Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-16-11 10:56 PM
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107. K & R
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Shining Jack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-17-11 12:14 AM
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109. K&R
These days I feel like I fell through the looking glass.
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amborin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-17-11 12:16 AM
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110. K&R
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fiberlady Donating Member (10 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-17-11 07:29 AM
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113. It's a crying shame .......
that someone who was good at what they did for the public was denounced by his own party. I wish the democrats would grow a spine and use it toward the religious right republicans also.
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Danchi Donating Member (58 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-17-11 07:44 AM
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116. Weiner will be back!
"Anthony Weiner was forced from office, but George Bush
& Dick Cheney"

I completely agree.  What happened to Weiner was a political
hit and most people haven't picked up on the coincidental
timing of this no-sex no crime scandal in relation to Weiner
continually bringing to attention the "illegal"
non-disclosure of money that Clarence Thomas's wife has been
receiving and the fact that Thomas and another Justice have
been attending all expense events of the Koch Brothers. Andrew
Breitbart, with the help of media owned by Rupert Murdoch made
sure that every form of media was saturated with the story. We
know how psychological flooding techniques work.  It's a
proven form of mental manipulation. So conservative writers,
bloggers, reporters & TV station reporters (we know they
are just pseudo entertainment tonight employees) were given
their marching orders to go after the Democratic leadership
and the party because everyone knows they would fold like a
cheap accordion with a little bit of pressure-and they did
when Allison Schultz broke ranks.  It was the
"gotcha" moment. It didn't work on Weiner's
constitutes but it did on the Democratics.  
The leadership is not obligated to provided the press with any
informatio­n. They should have stayed on point. Pelosi said
let his constitute­s decide. That should have been the mantra
of the whole party: Let His Constitute­s Decide". This is
the PR advantage Republican­s have over the Democratic­s-they
keep to a simple mantra-lik­e with HCR and the meeting they
had with Obama. Every Republican in the room repeated the same
mantra-"Do Over" no one decided on their own to jump
ship. The mantra was repeated until Obama signed the bill.
Allison Schultz decided she was morally superior and began the
downward spiral of the party which led to the focus becoming
razor sharp on Weiner because no Dem wanted to be outdone in
their distorted morality, they began the chant. Right or wrong
the Republican­s are solidified as a group. So Dems stop
blaming something or someone outside of yourself and create
some party cohesivene­ss and loyalty. You see David Vitter who
actually committed a crime still has his seat. As my kids say
Man Up!” We all have flaws and I think a lot of people who are
"outraged" by what Weiner did, pointing the finger
should remember when you point at someone there are three
fingers pointing back at you.  What are you hiding or what
sexual issues are you uncomfortable with that you may be
projecting here. Weiner will be back and I hope as an
Independent so he won't be beholden to a specific party. When
those who condemn him realize over the course of the next year
there is a void in the space he once occupied and that the
middle class and average Americans will continue too lose
ground, they will sit back and wonder what happened, how come
no one speaks for us.  Well, Weiner did. Just like Alan
Grayson did and the party you support torpedoed them right out
of the room.
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SusanaMontana41 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-17-11 10:38 AM
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120. What a post!
Welcome to DU, Danchi! :fistbump:
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IamK Donating Member (514 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-17-11 10:43 AM
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121. I think we all dream of the day when...
Edited on Fri Jun-17-11 10:47 AM by IamK
war criminals are held accountable and those that send pictures of their genitalia to people they don't know are celebrated as heros... Some day
I hope to open facebook or twitter and find a picture of Olympia Snow or Saxby chambliss' crotch.......... that my friends is true justice. That would be change I could believe in...
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Hissyspit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-17-11 02:52 PM
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128. No.
We don't.
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FailureToCommunicate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-17-11 11:15 AM
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122. K & R
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aikoaiko Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-17-11 12:46 PM
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126. If only Weiner defiantly said that he took and sent pictures of his penis to fight terrorism and...


...protect our freedoms.


Anthony Weiner, "They hate us for our penises!"

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