Democratic Underground Latest Greatest Lobby Journals Search Options Help Login
Google

US corporations are figuring out that they don't need an American middle class

Printer-friendly format Printer-friendly format
Printer-friendly format Email this thread to a friend
Printer-friendly format Bookmark this thread
This topic is archived.
Home » Discuss » General Discussion Donate to DU
 
Liberal_in_LA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-16-11 11:13 PM
Original message
US corporations are figuring out that they don't need an American middle class
Getting by Without the Middle Class


— The big mystery in the United States today is why the job crisis is not at the center of the political and economic debate. After all, the numbers — and the human tragedies they reflect — could not be bleaker.

--------------------------------

Yet the debate in Washington is focused on deficit reduction, rather than job creation. The news media are following the same playbook. A recent database analysis by The National Journal found that over the past two years, the leading newspapers in the United States had dramatically shifted their attention from unemployment to the deficit and were now publishing more than three times as many stories about the budget as they were about jobs.

----------------

But the reality may be even more chilling: Perhaps U.S. business is learning to get by just fine, thank you, without middle-class U.S. consumers. And while that may be good news for chief executives and shareholders, it could be the beginning of a new and socially wrenching political logic that leaves the great American middle behind.

Wall Street, which is paid for smarts, not sentiment, has this figured out. In a newspaper interview this month, Robert C. Doll, chief equity strategist at BlackRock, the largest money manager in the world, pointed out that the fortunes of U.S. companies and the fortunes of the country as a whole were diverging: “The U.S. stock market and the U.S. economy are increasingly different animals.”

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/06/10/us/10iht-letter10.html
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-16-11 11:15 PM
Response to Original message
1. They figured that out years ago.
That's what all those anti-globalization demonstrations have been about. For years.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Liberal_in_LA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-16-11 11:16 PM
Response to Reply #1
4. oh. n/t
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-16-11 11:58 PM
Response to Reply #4
15. When did capital start moving manufacturing?
I think it was in the late 70s, just about the time I first started working. Can't have a middle class without a manufacturing base. We're told we can but it's not happening.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
OhioChick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-16-11 11:15 PM
Response to Original message
2. Rec n/t
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Gman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-16-11 11:15 PM
Response to Original message
3. I believe they figured it out long about 2002
That's when they seriously started under Bush what continues today.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
bvar22 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-17-11 10:00 AM
Response to Reply #3
23. Actually, it officially goes back to 1992.
Ross Perot, Predicting the Future for America's Working Class
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rkgx1C_S6ls&feature=player_embedded



Who will STAND and FIGHT for THIS American Majority?
You will know them by their WORKS,
not by their EXCUSES.



Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
napi21 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-16-11 11:20 PM
Response to Original message
5. They may think they did but they're wrong. There will always be
high buck buyers that must be catered to, but the majority of products are purshased by the middle class. Walmart and their like will always exist but without the middle class the majority of retailers will cease to exist. I disagree with you that they've figured it out. If that's the conclusion they can to, they're wrong and they'll all die!
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
riderinthestorm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-16-11 11:37 PM
Response to Reply #5
9. You are missing the key word: American. Global corps now cater to global middle class
buyers. That means at the level of China, India, South and Central America etc. etc.

US buyers aren't the drivers anymore. Global Corps are expanding their definition of "middle class" and they've long since figured out the plutocracy of the US market (ie.that nobody here cares about the US middle class).
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Hell Hath No Fury Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-16-11 11:25 PM
Response to Original message
6. I am fast coming to that conclusion.
Clinton talked about using trade as a way to "raise up" third world countries to Western standards, but now it is clear that it is really about lowering America's standards. The vast majority of American companies do not need American workers anymore -- manufacturing, skilled labor, tech, white collar -- all that can be done by anyone, anywhere in the world and by those who can do it cheaper. And with all these new worldwide consumers of the now cheap American goods, who the hell needs an American Middle Class? The rich will always have their luxury market, and the Americans who are left will have all the glorious cheap American-made-in-corporate-name-only stuff to buy.

The only jobs left for Americans (for now) are those that require hands-on, in person labor and services. Hell, fuck tech work, become a damn plumber - your prospects are much better.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
SoCalDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-16-11 11:44 PM
Response to Reply #6
10. Pie
the pie serves 6 nicely..but when 14 show up..well you get the idea..

the "middle class" that is beginning elsewhere will be cheaper to accommodate, and the people will not be as demanding, since they are arriving at a place they have never been before and have only dreamed of.. they will be less critical.

they are gaining as we all are losing.. the only winners are the corporations who get tax breaks for being an "American" company, but who do the bulk of their "biddness" in places more "welcoming" to them.. Those places are where we were in the 60's...right down to their political boldness.. they are poised to move up..and we will only be left beside the road after being dumped off for complaining.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Hell Hath No Fury Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-17-11 11:00 AM
Response to Reply #10
24. Perfectly stated -
"Middle Class" in India or China or Vietnam is far away from the same in our country.

"...and we will only be left beside the road after being dumped off for complaining."

I think that train has left. :( Our unemployment rates are testament to that.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
onehandle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-16-11 11:33 PM
Response to Original message
7. Heads on stakes. France 1789. Madame Guillotine awaits...etc. nt
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
hifiguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-17-11 11:10 AM
Response to Reply #7
27. Definitely
Can't start soon enough for me. Set the scaffold up on Wall Street.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Qutzupalotl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-16-11 11:35 PM
Response to Original message
8. They're shooting themselves in the foot.
A strong middle class ensures strong sales for their goods and services. Although the country may seem to be awash with millionaires, there aren't enough of them to make up for the hole left by the disappearing middle class.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-16-11 11:48 PM
Response to Reply #8
12.  They just take their sales elsewhere.
China, India, Brazil.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
mrcheerful Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-16-11 11:52 PM
Response to Reply #8
13. Yep thats my take on it too
whats left out is corporations have relied heavily on corporate welfare since the 80's, without the corporate welfare few corporations would have survived the 80's. What corporations did and are now doing by getting rid of the workers is a short term gain in profits but eventually once US workers can't afford products the corporations will start losing profits because no country consumes more then the US. Other countries still rely on repair shops where as US citizens buy and throw away. Part of that comes from todays products needing specialized tools in order to repair but American's have an uncanny ability to find ways around that problem when push comes to shove. Without American consumerism and tax give aways to corporations the corporations will find themselves strapped for cash. That is what is behind the big 3 woes, fewer people are able to afford new auto's, they were able to turn a profit but without high paying jobs they will find themselves with fewer and fewer customers, it is just a matter of time.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
OHdem10 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-16-11 11:47 PM
Response to Original message
11. They do much better and make bigger profits for the Elites if
there is no middle class. Union Busting is a major
gift to corporations and business. No Labor standards
mean you can pay what wish, give as many or as few
benefits as possible.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Dawson Leery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-16-11 11:56 PM
Response to Original message
14. k/r
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
CoffeeCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-17-11 02:40 AM
Response to Original message
16. The big corporations are global now...
...and the big corporations want to make endless profits in a global market. American
workers want fair wages, health care and to retire with dignity with a pension and a
401k. Global corporations scoff at these demands. Why pay Americans decent wages and
benefits, when 12 year old children in India, China and Korea will work 18 hours a day
in a rat-infested factory for $2 a day?

The corporations are only profit driven. They don't give a shit about people. People
are objects. The American dream is now outdated.

Because corporations are global and focused only on profits--there is no incentive to
prop up America or to keep the country flourishing. We are just one "market" and frankly--we
are not very business friendly. We want fair wages and we want safe working conditions and
health care. We're a liability to most global corporations now.

We are sinking slowly. And no one in power cares. The corporations run it all and these
corporations have purchased themselves a nice player in their game--the U.S. government. It
helps to rid them of oversight and regulation--and also provides them with tax incentives to
ship jobs overseas. Our politicians are in their pockets--giving them whatever the hell they
want.

The U.S will continue to sink because today's and tomorrow's power brokers do not care about
America nor its workers--who are perceived as spoiled brats because they want more than $3
a day in pay and healthcare.

Good luck to us all.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
KT2000 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-17-11 03:24 AM
Response to Original message
17. Wesley Clark
talked about this when he was running for president.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Spider Jerusalem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-17-11 03:26 AM
Response to Original message
18. Americans still not figuring out that they never were "middle class" though
the so-called "American middle class" has mostly always been, in reality, the working class. Rebranding it "middle class" is a bit of political sleight-of-hand that has served to mostly destroy any genuine class-consciousness in America and to severely undermine the chances of any sort of leftist/socialist political movement from the start. By referring to a mostly nonexistent "middle class", all you're doing is perpetuating a harmful myth.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
socialist_n_TN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-17-11 11:34 AM
Response to Reply #18
28. What you said^^^^^^^^^^^^
The SYSTEM needs to be overthrown. Worldwide.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Liberal_in_LA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-17-11 05:36 PM
Response to Reply #18
31. +100
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
GeorgeGist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-17-11 07:10 AM
Response to Original message
19. Myopia isn't smart ...
it's stupid.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
raccoon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-17-11 09:29 AM
Response to Original message
20. Rec'd--this article is a must-read. nt
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
sufrommich Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-17-11 09:32 AM
Response to Original message
21. Then let's stop calling them" U.S. corporations". They have no
allegiance to any particular country.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Uncle Joe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-17-11 09:39 AM
Response to Original message
22. Kicked and recommended.
Thanks for the thread, Liberal_in_LA.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Hell Hath No Fury Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-17-11 11:03 AM
Response to Original message
25. K&R
This is too important.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
hifiguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-17-11 11:09 AM
Response to Original message
26. We are not going to be "left behind"
we are going to be, at best, reduced to serfdom or, more likely, fed into a sausage grinder owned by the Koch bros and the banksters.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
peace4ever Donating Member (434 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-17-11 11:36 AM
Response to Original message
29. it is the public that is finally figuring it out, the elite have been working on this for decades
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
progressoid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-17-11 01:12 PM
Response to Reply #29
30. Some of the public will never figure it out.
They are being brain washed by the corporate media and RW talk radio to the contrary.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
B-Stupid Donating Member (87 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-17-11 05:57 PM
Response to Original message
32. 3 words:
foreign sourced profits
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
DU AdBot (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view 
this author's profile Click to add 
this author to your buddy list Click to add 
this author to your Ignore list Wed May 01st 2024, 10:14 AM
Response to Original message
Advertisements [?]
 Top

Home » Discuss » General Discussion Donate to DU

Powered by DCForum+ Version 1.1 Copyright 1997-2002 DCScripts.com
Software has been extensively modified by the DU administrators


Important Notices: By participating on this discussion board, visitors agree to abide by the rules outlined on our Rules page. Messages posted on the Democratic Underground Discussion Forums are the opinions of the individuals who post them, and do not necessarily represent the opinions of Democratic Underground, LLC.

Home  |  Discussion Forums  |  Journals |  Store  |  Donate

About DU  |  Contact Us  |  Privacy Policy

Got a message for Democratic Underground? Click here to send us a message.

© 2001 - 2011 Democratic Underground, LLC