Baggy pants passenger was ejected for pulling them all the way down.

Marman, who was boarding Flight 488 to Albuquerque, N.M., was instructed by airline crew members several times to pull up his pants to cover his underwear, both before he boarded and on the plane, according to San Francisco police Sgt. Michael Rodriguez.

Marman allegedly refused to pull up his pants and when he sat in his seat, he pulled them all the way down, Rodriguez said.

Eventually the plane's captain told other passengers on the aircraft to deplane, ordered Marman to leave the plane and then placed him under citizen's arrest for trespassing after he refused the order, according to Rodriguez.


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Let him walk to wherever he was going. Some people's kids....:eyes:

More to this story..good writeup and Why the fuck wasn't Arianna Huffington thrown into cuffs again?



Deshon Marman, a 5-foot-11 safety, had been warned by his mother and others to change his style.
It didn't take Donna Doyle and me very long to connect on the phone.
We're both parents of student-athletes.
Both of our sons get good grades.



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Deshon Marman, a 5-foot-11 safety, had been warned by his mother and others to change his style.

And we've both said the following five words to them multiple times: "Boy, pull your pants up."

"His coach has told him; my sister, my cousins ... We've all said, 'Boy, pull your pants up,'" Doyle said. "I always tell him to 'Listen to your mother because your mother will never steer you wrong.'

"He will tell you this is one of those times he should've listened to his mother."

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where I work but no young man is coming into my office showing his underwear. Likewise no young woman is coming in with batty rider shorts and all her breasts showing.
I am no prude and wore lots of short shorts and miniskirts in my day but at least we knew where not to wear certain clothes.

I'm not having anyone arrested for choice of clothing but they're not coming into my office.

but please tell me why it is that a man is allowed to go topless but a woman is not. A woman's breasts are there to be feeding tubes. They are not "sexual organs". Men have nipples too.

I mean, it seems to me that the only reason women's breasts ate considered to be sexual is because of men who get hot and bothered at the thought of suckling at momma's breast.

I know, I know!!! GD feminazi talk....but is it not the truth? I am open to being convinced.

I don't disagree it's more socially accepted than female "toplessness", but shirtless men in the wrong situation are readily ridiculed.
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on, say, THE BEACH? Or, even, on hot days, on public sidewalks?

If all that was revealed by his droopy drawers was his undies, the flight crew should have said nothing. However, dropping trou completely wasn't a mature response.

Some of the clothing worn on airplanes is pretty bad but this is beyond the pale.

I'd rather sit next to a quiet guy with low slung pants than an obnoxious, reeking drunk.

i could care less if his boxers were showing, and neither should the airline. Obviously pulling them all the way down was a childish response, and he got thrown off for it. It just never should have come to that point.

Hell, when I look at the way I dressed back in the day, I almost choke.

Care to elaborate?

Not me!

Do tell. What does it say about me?

but tends to not shave every day? :rofl:

I imagine many adults were pleased the child was removed from the plane.

I do concede though that we all often justify, even to the point of absurdity, defending the breaking of the common social more of (all things being equal) no shirt, no shoes, no service.

... having to get off the plane in order to enforce the airline's dress code.

There should be a better solution.

Best idea yet.

In some cities it's about as common as pierced ears. In fact, I've often ridden mass transit with young men so attired. I don't see why airplane travel is seen as any different. People do not dress up to fly anymore, and there's really not much in the way of amenities that makes flying coach any more special than riding commuter trains.

There's no defending his response of pulling down his pants and skivs in response but if when he initially boarded the underwear were above the crack and pubic hair level the crew's reaction was out of bounds.

It's depressing that there are people walking around on this planet today with such low regard for themselves and others, such low-consciousness to lay this on us.

If the garment is covering up the parts considered private by our society, how exactly is that disrespectful? As others have noted, bike pants are essentially skin tight garments worn without underwear -- is that vulgar and disrespectful too? Care to wager whether the crew would have stopped someone in bike gear as they got on the plane?

Back in the 1960s, people said that men with long hair or men wearing hats in the presence of a lady were being disrespectful. They also said that women wearing pants was vulgar. The low slung pants distaste is just SSDD.

they are vulgar and disrespectful. I do not particularly care for the super short dresses that are about an inch below their vagina either. If they want to go club hopping dressed like that, I have no issue.

At 20 years old folks should stop calling a man a child and hopefully by the age of 20 a man has learned to pull up his damned pants. Otherwise he deserves to be called a child and should call for a diaper if he wants to run around in his underwear.

with loads in their diapers!:rofl:

You can't move too quick with pants like that... just watch those jokers cross a street sometime. Ridiculous.

everyone would have to exit in a hurry. Then what the idiot either fall on his face or pull his pants up. Either way it would have been justifiable and hilarious, IMO.

Disgusting, and I'm glad he got kicked out.

you must live in one perfect world.

Why should I like them? And the reason they flash is so that others see them. I find it revolting. I want to look at my man naked, not some stranger's ugly, dirty @$$.

She meant that she didn't want to see a guy's ass in public. Neither do I. Baggy pants are fine, just keep them above the butt crack, please.

And WTF is with the "perfect world" nonsense? You're implying that people don't wear baggy pants in a perfect world? Or perhaps, more likely, you were just making an uncalled-for sexist jab at her?

It's getting more and more imperfect every day)x(

So, do you like to just walk around with your jeans so sagging that you must grab your crotch as you walk? I bet the ladies just flock to you:eyes:

People should raise their children better.

Once I saw a young black guy walking down the street with his pants down almost to hie ankles. My first thought was that he should be arrested. I am no prude, but I see these baggy pants as totally disgusting. I really do not want to see the color of their underwear.

butt cheeks hanging out. I especially hate having to stand behind them in line at a store. It makes me sick.

How is that?

not to expose themselves. But you rarely see one of the "saggers" with a chick. Just usually other dudes!:rofl:

You are so fragile that the word 'ass' cannot be typed by your frail fingers?

Have some self-respect, dude.

these guys' nasty underwear. Besides, that "style" (started in the prison system to let others know you were "available") has been out for a couple of years now. The new thing is "skinny jeans."

Why should the rest of us have to be staring at people's private parts just because these people have a lack of self-confidence and are desperately seeking attention?

One time, I was refilling a prescription at Walgreen's, and the pharmacist was wearing a very low-cut, lacy blouse that looked like lingerie. Hardly a professional image.

Not to let others know you were available.

True that the idiotic fad should have been over long ago. Some folks just can't keep up with the latest trends.

Never actually spent time there myself (other than to make presentations).

I've spent a little time there, but here's what snopes has to say:

http://www.snopes.com/risque/homosex/sagging.asp

:evilgrin:

NOW I know what the issue really is. :rofl::rofl::rofl:

This has to be the stoopidest "look" I have ever seen, and I wore some pretty damned awful clothes, especially on stage with bands, during the 1970s.

is that young people, who are in their physical prime should be wearing clothes that show off their better assets. When they get older and their bodies start to bloat and sag, they may regret the years they didn't dress to attract the opposite sex (or same same sex if that's the case).

I too remember some truly awful clothes from the 1970s, but few that deliberately made a person unattractive and unappealing.

Good one!

make you look like you have extremely short little legs. I mean what's cool about tiny little legs?

And how they disapproved of us wanting to wear them everywhere. Mom did not think they were appropriate for anything other than farm clothes, especially for her daughters to wear. In fact, when I was in school, slacks were considered a fad for women to wear in public and were prohibited for girls to wear in school until I was in about ninth grade.

Those 'fads' certainly have not faded.

I thought it was idiotic even when it first started. I can't believe people still walk around with their pants halfway to their knees, thinking they are stylish. :rofl:

Cracks me up. If they want to wear them low, why not use suspenders to keep their damn pants up?!

Whenever I have pants so loose and without a belt to hold them up, I am totally irritated.

My mom was allowed to wear jeans to school back in the 1940's and 1950's. And she graduated as valedictorian.

When they first allowed slacks for girls, they tried to say they had be store bought and part of a pants suit. Mom raised hell - she'd already fought girls being required to take Home Ec while boys had no equivalent requirement. That requirement insured that girls who were college bound would have one less credit to be considered than boys. She asked the school board why girls were required to learn to sew if they could not make clothes to wear to school. They quickly dropped the "store bought" restriction but girls were never allowed to wear jeans to school, even though boys were allowed to.

I graduated in 1970. My little sister who graduated in 1974 was allowed to wear jeans her last two years of high school.

"dress slacks" if the temp was below 10*. That was in the early 70"s.

One of the first things that happens when a prisoner is processed is the removal of their belt and their shoelaces... that is where BOTH of these sloppy "fashion statements" originated. When you're a fucking idiot, I suppose it looks cool to appear to be a prisoner?

Why didn't I think of that! We should all dress like prisoners.

if all the polyester leisure suit wearers of the 70's were in prison serving hard time for their bad taste rather than innocent pot smokers.

...I find that just waiting for both sides helps you see things more clearly.

There is another story about a man that was thrown off a flight for (his story) asking (again, his version) his seatmate 'how the fuck long does it take to close the overhead bin?'. I suspect that there is much more to that story just like this one with the baggy drawers.

Do you think that is grounds to toss someone off a plane?

Not too bright, are you?

pants on the ground, u lookin like a fool wit yo pants on the ground!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JSMeKkNrEsI

:headbang:

who got onto a plane that I was on, just as they were about to close the door. He had a humongous soft-sided suitcase that wouldn't fit in the overhead because it was a full flight, and the bins were already filled.

The FA wanted to take the bag and check it, but he refused. So he unzipped the bag and starting unpacking dirty clothes -- sox, underwear, shirts, and all -- and cramming them into nooks and crannies in the overhead, until the bag got small enough to go under the seat.

I started thinking during the flight that this douchenozzle was going to hold everyone up while repacking the bags -- he was sitting toward the front. So, when we landed, I did not wait for the little ding that tells you that you can get up.

By the time the bell dinged, I was already at the front of the plane. The FA started to say something and I just pointed back at the idiot who was, in fact, holding everyone up while retrieving his smelly clothes. She just looked at me and shrugged her shoulders.

and never go anywhere anymore.


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That's all they're doing, trying to get attention thinking that kind of attention will improve their low self-esteem.

AND he made the news :eyes: :puke:

If there was an emergency evacuation of the plane, those ugly ass pants could have killed someone.

I don't care what people wear; it's none of my business for the most part. I hate those baggy ass pants... they look ridiculous, but if someone wants to look that way, far be it from me to try to stop them... unless...

Unless they are boarding a damn plane and become a hazard to all... and unless their ridiculous attitude matches there ridiculous attire.

This guy is a LOSER!

If there's a need to evacuate the plane, having his pants impede his walking would constitute a hazard.

And people with their pants hanging down like that look stupid.

and I've never seen a woman thrown off a plane for safety reasons for that.

As long as his parts were covered up, I don't see the issue. And he probably was more covered - even with his pants dropped - than many women in miniskirts and halter tops.

I think we have a huge double standard, DU gets outraged when women are kicked off planes or held up by cops for wearing revealing clothing, but somehow we think passengers will appreciate being delayed in order to get a man in revealing clothes thrown off a plane.

Personally, I'd be much happier just getting to my destination on time.

I think it's mostly a generational thing, like when boomers' parents bitched about them wearing really tight pants that "left nothing to the imagination." And frankly, since those things came back in fashion a few years ago in certain circles, I'm much more likely to find those offensive than the sagging. But even those I can't get worked up about.

I do sometimes look askance at my students, though, when they show up in class with low-rider jeans that allow their thong to show. Doesn't happen too often, but it happens.

big hair, baldness, platform shoes, skin-tight clothes, you name it.

Showing one's underwear and possibly @$$? Uh... that's not a trend. That's got a name: indecent exposure.

the more people whine the more thrill the person gets.

Easier? I mean their pants are almost off anyway. He's just making it easier to be searched, but yet the TSA are able to fondle little boys and girls before the fly. Like the airlines have standards or something.

Manager asked him to pull up his pants.

He said no and pulled them lower.

Manager asks him to leave the store.

Kid says no.

Manager walks off. Kid thinks he's won and start talking crap.

15 minutes later, manager and police show up in kids face.

Kid starts saying he's sorry and he'll pull up his pants now.

Manager says too late.

Cops arrest kid for trespassing and indecent exposure.

It looks stupid. But the style is to wear boxers underneath of them. Boxers are no more revealing than if a guy was wearing a pair of gym shorts and not nearly as revealing as spandex is, which bikers seem to be able to wear all the time without anyone saying a damn word to them about it. If it wasn't a black/urban culture related style, I doubt you'd hear nearly as much bitching about it. As long as they aren't actually showing their ass crack, people have no right to say shit about it. Its not indecent exposure if you aren't exposing anything and you don't have the right to demand that people dress to your liking.

There's nothing to be seen through boxers!

Come to think of it, there's nothing to be seen through tightie-whities either. Or, for equality, many different types of women's underwear.

Why have skirts (mini or not) or pants at all? Nothing's being revealed.

Right?

If you can't see any private parts, its fair game. Americans are such prudish, silly little bitchy dicks about this sort of thing.

As a chick, I can tell you that I would NEVER give one of these clowns the time of day. "Silly little bitchy dicks?" As classy a phrase as the sagging jeans look...

I think the thuggish/urban fashion is silly. I also think the country music cowboy look is equally as silly. The same goes for goth and all these other subcultural trends. But I don't like the fact that people pretend they are being subjected to some kind of indecent exposure so they can try to ban something they just don't personally like the look of, which is exactly what the bitching about sagging is all about.

with cowboy hats, but it's not offensive. Big difference. It's pathological and very depressing because it speaks to other dysfunctional behavior associated with those who sport this "look."

Seeing someone's boxer shorts is not pornographical. If they aren't exposing ass crack to you, or subjected you to seeing their balls hanging out or something like that, you've no right to tell them they can't do it. You can sit and sulk about how much you don't like it but thats pretty much where it ends.



Sounds like an underhanded way to talk shit about black people.

Because just like sagging pants, when I hear (or read) people who need to express themselves with "mothereffer" "shit" and what have you, they are like walking trash heaps. And they eat trash, throw it on the ground, and dress like trash. You are injecting race into it so you just hold onto that. I am wondering what is going on. Poverty never caused people to lose their dignity in the past when it came to how they presented themselves. I am wondering if this current abberation is due to second generation products of drug abuse and poor diets, lack of fathers or what?

You are bordering on racist trolling and you know it. I'm a white guy that grew up in appalachia, around a lot of the same kind of prejudice you are pushing. I know the sound of your fucking dog whistle. I spent the first 18 years of my life being subjected to it. You aren't fooling anyone.

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realize this was a black only fad....I think you are WAY off base here.

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there's plenty more were those came from.

Do you think real cowboys actually wear them? Lived my entire youth on a ranch, I had one cowboy hat. It was a dress hat. I wore it only to the sales barn when we were selling livestock. Otherwise we used baseball caps. Maybe a straw hat on a really sunny day. Everyone else did the same thing. If you see a guy walking around in wranglers, big belt buckle, and a black Resistol, odds are about 20-1 he does not even own a cow, let alone multiple ones. See the Bush family for a real life reference. Windshield cowboy my ass.

doesn't mean it's fit to be seen in pubic (sic and sick). Do you wear hot pants to a funeral? Why not? Nothing's showing! Because there is a general sense of decorum and only the idiots amongst us need to have it spelled out. Most people with common sense know what to wear to a funeral, student teaching and job interviews but sadly, those in charge STILL have to spell it out because of the Einsteins in the crowd...

Theres no doubt that you dress certain ways for certain occassions. You wouldn't wear a t-shirt and shorts to a job interview. But theres nothing wrong with wearing t-shirts and shorts in normal public settings. Stay on point.

private enterprise?

"...you don't have the right to demand that people dress to your liking." Never heard of "No shoes, no shirt, no service"?

Let's get real. This jerk wanted to cause a scene by flouting instructions, a VERY BAD SIGN to a cabin crew responsible for a plane-load of "souls on board."

So you can get all huffy about "black/urban culture" all you want (although I find the equation of "culture" with "pulling down pants to reveal boxer underwear" risible).

Your annoyance at people wearing that pants that way in terms of anything related to public decency is FAKE.

The guy deserved what he got for being a jerk off about it. He could have handled it better. But in a way I don't blame him.

And it's not all about seeing boxers. Sometimes they wear the briefs and their whole butt is exposed (albeit covered by their nasty grey undies). But just the sloppy look, the way they have to grab their crotches in order for the pants not to completely drop to their ankles, the way their legs are rendered stubby, the way they walk so awkwardly because they cannot stroll normally in that swath of cloth...Honestly, this "look" is not exclusive to one race or ethnicity, it is most certainly connected to class. And those who sport the sagging jeans trend have NONE.

That kind of socially conservative bullshit really shouldn't be encouraged here.

Yes, I am VERY prejudiced against geniuses grabbing their crotches and walking down the street like a moving eyesore. Now they are walking shirtless so we can REALLY see it. Because they feel invisible in society and acting out lets them know that they exist. These same dudes are the ones I saw playfighting in the middle of a busy street. Desperate for attention, even at the risk of injury. It's pathological, as I said.

You are completely full of shit. Young kids and adults embrace these kinds of fads all the time and it says nothing about them as a person other than they like a certain subculture, its music and its type of fashion. Plenty of these people are college and high school kids that stay out of trouble, get good grades and do what kids and young adults too. You sound no different than a fucking teabagger with that kind of judgemental attitude.

To even suggest that one would have to be a teabagger to not want to see such vulgar displays as that would be laughable if you were kidding, but you are serious. When the Britney Slut look was all the rage, I was likewise grossed out. As someone who wore miniskirts all the time in my teens and 20s, this took it to a new low. Plus the thong asscrack disgusting displays. Now it's in to wear dresses and teens and young women generally look 1000% better!

Stop and think about that for one fucking minute. You sat there and generalized an entire group of people who are into a certain subcultural fashion as pathological and revolting.

Above all things, thats not the progressive way to see things. Progressives don't engage in something as irrelevant and petty as making deeply insulting, sweeping generalizations about people over something as irrelevant and unimportant as which MTV generation fashion style they prefer. Progressives don't look at someone's fashion and make bigoted judgements about that person's sense of morality, their intellect or any other personal qualities. Thats exactly what you are doing here.

Its utter bigotry. And bigotry is a much more significant problem in this society than saggy, baggy pants wearing kids will ever be.

that the sagging pants look is clearly limited to a subgroup in society. And it's not a racial thing, although you tried to go there. I have seen Whites and Hispanics sagging also. But one place I don't see saggers of any race/ethnicity sagging is in affluent areas. And I know good and well that this "look" DOES denote a certain intellect. Because it's damn near STOOPID to walk around having to hold your junk to keep your pants up. It looks wretched and your defense of it just allows people to make fools of themselves and hold themselves down in life.

Its definitely is a racial thing. Its a racial thing because its something that come from hip hop culture and hip hop culture is a huge piece of black identity in America. And I'd say latino american identity has some very strong ties to it as well. Of course there are white people that get into that culture as well. Buts its as much a part of black identity as country music is part of southern white identity. You know this as well as I do. Your "not a racial thing" argument isn't flying.

But most of all I know your judgemental opinion on people who do this is flat wrong. Just because some person, usually a younger person, embraces a certain pop culture style does not mean that person is a bad person or will turn out to be a bad person. Thats what you are saying. Its bigotry. And its not true. Your attempt to base it on your own personal observations is even more evidence of how ignorant an opinion it is. Your own bubble of personal opinions don't mean shit without any empirical evidence. I know dudes that sagged pants in high school that are now career servicemen. I know another dude who is an accomplished artist now. And I know another one who works a regular old blue collar job in the coal mines. And if I really thought about it, I'm sure I knew a few that got into trouble and shit later in life. It had nothing to do with pants sagging. Your point of view on this is just ludicrous and it flies in the face of reality. The reality is, kids get into crazy fashions and this is just one of them. Most people grow out of their teenage wild fashion phase later in life, usually by the end of college age years. I don't have long hair, checkered pants, a dog chain wallet and a pearl jam t-shirt on anymore.

Your point of view on this is just wrong and ludicrous and it really has no place on a site where we celebrate diversity, freedom of expression and discourage discrimination over irrelevant bullshit.

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I'm saying that people are pretending like that style constitutes some sort of insult or some sort of indecent exposure. These same people aren't all up in arms about other styles that are just as ridiculous and in some cases, way more revealing.

"If it wasn't a black/urban culture related style, I doubt you'd hear nearly as much bitching about it."

I heard the same thing as a teacher about 10 years ago, when all headgear and hats were banned, and what it really boiled down to in the staff meetings was that they didn't want kids wearing do-rags in the school because other kids' parents (read as white kids' parents) were going to be afraid. It was okay to have black kids as long as they didn't go around acting all black and stuff. But they couldn't ban just the do-rags without admitting it was cultural, so they banned all hats, headbands, etc.

Back in the 80's it was trendy for white folks to wear crazy patterned boxers, and socially acceptable. It was so socially acceptable that I was on an army running team and our self-selected uniform for 10k's in town was to wear the tackiest men's boxers we could find. My ex wore his to army picnics and around town. It was NEVER an issue. His favorite was a pair that had pictures of Santa hanging out in a hot tub with palm trees.

That was never seen as obscene because we were white we were as covered as if we'd been wearing regular shorts. But gosh, put a black guy in the same exact outfit - and cover his legs up with jeans, but let them sag so people can THINK about the fact that he's a black guy and he has a penis on the loose - and holy hell, now the police gotta get involved and entire planes have to be unloaded to keep our airways safe.

It's like driving while black, but worse because apparently the black penis is something we have to be so incredibly afraid of that it must be not only not visible, but also locked down under multiple layers of clothing lest the suggestion of its very existence threatens our society.

Acceptable and decent:



indecent exposure:

Exactly what I was getting at. Thank you for putting it in the correct, blunt context that the point deserves.

would be disgusted by white kids wearing their pants that way...
and black moms are the biggest critics of black teens with their pants low and white moms of their white sons pulling that look

Before seeing those pics I had no idea they went that low... still not sure if that is a joke or a real pic
Gravity can not be on their side

because even though that look reveals far more skin - even actual ass cheek on occasion, it falls under the category of black dudes acting white, which doesn't cause the same reaction in people.

belts his pants around his thighs rather than his waist, and lets his boxers hang out the top, has got some serious issues.

Mainly I think it makes them look severely developmentally disabled. And it will garner no respect from most adults.

read a few stories over the past few years where cops chasing a perp catch him because his saggy pants fall down and trip the chasee up. I know the cops laugh thier asses off when that happens.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/16830505/ns/us_news-weird_news/t/baggy-pants-trip-robbery-suspect/

http://abcnews.go.com/US/LegalCenter/story?id=2099027

Seriously what it is about Americans that make them so afraid when people aren't completely clothed to their specifications?

You know, that wacky ole thing about a place and time for everything? Like at a beach I have to steel myself for the indelible image of old men with sagging testicles and the imprint on their Speedos...:rofl:

(Sooooo...how low do you go with your sagging jeans?)

I rarely wear jeans - I find them uncomfortable FWIW.

:)

I thanked Gawd when the tha-tha-tha-tha-thong look went bye-bye. That has nothing to do with disgust for sex; it's all about aethetics. There is nothing remotely sexy about butt cracks, especially hairy ones!:rofl:

and it makes the wearer look completely incompetent and helpless, but if that's what they're going for... whatever.

However, the moment you step onto private property (and an aircraft is generally privately owned), the owner/operator gets to make the rules. Don't like the rules? You are free to leave, and must do so if requested.

Whenever I see that fashion, I just laugh and shake my head. It usually gets the point across.

Impractical if you might need to run from the police at any given moment.

It just goes to show that they are not living in reality and seem a bit special. The fact that the young man on the plane refused to pull 'em up and then pulled 'em down in defiance doesn't surprise me either. I wonder where his daddy is...I don't doubt that this is linked to fatherlessness, much in the way that girls showing their hoohahs is, as well. A mother can only do so much but there's that missing link. And the hypermasculinity of some young men who are at risk underscores a search for discovering what makes a "real man." Hint: this ain't it!

More than 10 years now, maybe longer.

That's 500 years in fashion chronology.

The other thing that amazes me is how low slung pants can get people so riled. I often fight with myself to resist my first impulse when walking near someone with their pants slipping below their ass. Just once I'd love to walk up behind them and pull their drawers all the way down. I'd prolly get my face bashed in (rightly so), so I am thankful I haven't yet succumbed to my urge. lol

It has to be an incredibly inconvenient and downright irritating thing to have to walk with one hand gripping one's waistband for fear of tripping. But, really, when you think about it there is more skin showing on the beach than a whole slew of low riders. Funny that it affects people so. Kinda like using a cell phone in public. People hate that one too. :shrug:

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The sagging look was around in the early 90's when I was in junior high school. It has just gotten even worse with how low these kids/men are letting their pants drop. However, I'm not too concerned about it, because they eventually pull their slacks up, albeit when they hit 40.

What is a disturbing trend, is the amount of kids getting body art. I am hardly a prude, and I have a tattoo on my back from my Marine days, but all these kids with "sleeves" and neck tattoos are seriously troubling. These teens who are getting their names tattooed on their necks or full sleeves including the back of their hands are condemning themselves, at a young age to a life of poverty. Who is going to hire these kids when they straighten up their lives and decide to get a white collar job? I manage a Social Security office, and I would never hire a person with a visible tattoo. I am pretty sure most white collar managers feel the same way. I think this is far greater a problem than kids having their pants sag.

I hire people based on talent and performance.

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Pretty soon it's going to be sitting in the back next to a hells angel with a bottle of SoCo who has wet himself.

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I shouldn't NEED the sarcasm icon, but...

WTF is going on here? You'd think that some KID's FASHION SENSE is some major crime, worthy of the same indignation someone might show about, say, their government torturing innocent civilians or something.

"On the one hand, the misplaced power held by a very small number of people who so loathed the very look of the clothes a fully-clothed man was wearing, they were able to deplane an entire flight, inconveniencing many dozens of people and costing many thousands of dollars, when their desire to impose their will was frustrated. On the other hand, a man who would not do what he was ordered to do, because it made no sense and was not said with the force of law. And here I thought you loved the idea of liberty and self-determination."

something they couldn't run in? This is one reason I don't do heels or skirts.

Call me crazy.