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Parche Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-07-11 11:25 AM
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Poll question: Who do you want for President 2012
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rosesaylavee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-07-11 11:30 AM
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If we run anyone in opposition to Pres. Obama,
it will surely be a republican pres in 2012. Were you thinking 2016 instead of 2012?
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obxhead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-07-11 11:56 AM
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14. I remember hearing that argument nightly for months on end.
It was when Hillary and Obama were ripping at each other and neither would back down.

Look how valid that turned out.
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rosesaylavee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-07-11 12:28 PM
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20. Well, ok, let's ignore history and just have the DEMs run against each other.
I am sure it will work in our favor 'this' time.
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obxhead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-07-11 12:33 PM
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21. So you're saying that argument was not made throughout the
primaries in 2008 and that Obama did not win with a majority of the votes after them. That or you're saying we should completely ignore that history in favor of some other history you are not pointing out here.

Or you are simply fearmongering.
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rosesaylavee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-07-11 12:49 PM
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26. Nice. Make your argument that I am fearmongering.
Edited on Fri Jan-07-11 12:54 PM by rosesaylavee
Perhaps your memory of the Carter Administration has grown dim, Dems did run a primary that year and the result was Reagan. Tho Carter ran, the thinking was that his energy and monies spent against his DEM challenger (Ted Kennedy) were what lost that race.

I don't care what happened or who said what in the 2008 primary. Getting a DEM president to the 2nd term is what's under discussion here.
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obxhead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-07-11 01:10 PM
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33. Ah, so you your real objective is getting Obama to a second term.
Any other Dem would be a first term.

First off, Obama is not Carter, second Repubs have no Raygun to run against anyone that comes out of a Dem primary.

So your argument does not hold water. You are clearly fearmongering.
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rosesaylavee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-07-11 01:19 PM
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35. Rather than fearmongering, perhaps we just disagree.
I think having a primary in 2012 would be a waste of time and would have negative results. My objective is having a DEM president win in 2012. President Obama has the best chance at that.

And btw, if I really wanted to scare you I could. :smoke:
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BlueDemKev Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-07-11 12:47 PM
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24. No Republican could have won in 2008
The country was fed up with Bush, the Republicans put up a horribly-weak candidate who couldn't rally the party's base to support him, and the market crash in September of that year all but sealed the deal.

The Democrats must be united going into next year. The divisions of the past two years hurt us very badly and look at what happened in November as a result. When we're not united, we cannot define ourselves and it allows our opponents to define us instead (i.e.--LIE about what we intend to do).
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-07-11 12:23 PM
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rosesaylavee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-07-11 11:30 AM
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1. ..
Edited on Fri Jan-07-11 11:31 AM by rosesaylavee
dupe delete
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Hell Hath No Fury Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-07-11 11:31 AM
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2. I would love Russ to run --
though I would be very OK with Howard Dean.
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Peace Patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-07-11 11:35 AM
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3. Franklin Delano Roosevelt. nt
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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-07-11 12:48 PM
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25. +1
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Arkana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-07-11 11:37 AM
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4. Considering that Barack Obama is the only one of those people
who will be on the ballot, I'd like Barack Obama to be President.
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Laelth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-07-11 11:37 AM
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5. Um ... what's the picture of the Delta jet for? n/t
-Laelth
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monmouth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-07-11 12:52 PM
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29. HA! I was going to say what a lovely photo, and where was it from except
for the damned plane....
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ladjf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-07-11 11:38 AM
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6. I would settle for any smart, honest and emotionally mature person. nt
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Ganja Ninja Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-07-11 11:42 AM
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7. Bernie Sanders
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notesdev Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-07-11 11:48 AM
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11. add me to that
Bernie Sanders... or Dennis Kucinich works for me too.
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Kalyke Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-07-11 11:43 AM
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8. Wes Clark.
He should have gotten the nomination in 2004: intelligent, attractive, Southerner, liberal, populist, understands the MIC and has challenged it and could bring in a lot of independents.
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Renew Deal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-07-11 11:46 AM
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9. He would have been a contender in 2004.
But he wasn't great at politicking.
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notesdev Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-07-11 11:51 AM
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13. too dangerous
The guy nearly started WWIII over being butt-sore about the Russians beating him to Pristina airport:

http://gawker.com/5689607/the-time-james-blunt-stopped-world-war-three
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Gaedel Donating Member (802 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-07-11 01:08 PM
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32. Too easy to Swift Boat
Edited on Fri Jan-07-11 01:08 PM by Gaedel
Halberstam in his book "War in a Time of Peace" (about the Clinton foreign policy 1992 to 2000), speaks at length about Wes Clark and his background. Since the book was written before Clark got involved in presidential politics, Halberstam didn't have an axe to grind. Clark was certainly not very popular among his military peers (except within his own clique) and stepped on a lot of fingers while climbing the ladder of military success. I would imagine that GOP oppo research would have had a field day talking to former military officers and getting Wes Clark stories.
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Kalyke Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-07-11 02:08 PM
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40. LIke the GOP doesn't take shots at any challenger for any reason.
:eyes:
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Kalyke Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-07-11 02:07 PM
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39. Good Lord - that was debunked to death in 2004.
Where were you?

Gen. Mike Jackson, himself, said the media made far too much out of the conversation - which was just heat-of-the-moment shit.

Besides, I would rather hope no one would take Jackson's side of any argument, given his prominent role in the Bloody Sunday attacks that killed 13 civilians in Ireland in 1972.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/this-britain/jackson-denies-bloody-sunday-shot-list-was-to-get-army-off-hook-583513.html
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Champion Jack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-07-11 11:47 AM
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10. J.R. "Bob" Dobbs
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whatchamacallit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-07-11 11:49 AM
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12. Ham Sandwich
Edited on Fri Jan-07-11 11:52 AM by whatchamacallit
would be fine at this point, as long as it's an authentic liberal.
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jaxx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-07-11 12:08 PM
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15. We have President Obama who will run in 2012.
Vote for him. Why would a Democrat do anything else?
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whatchamacallit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-07-11 12:09 PM
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16. Lol nt
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jaxx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-07-11 12:12 PM
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18. What's funny?
Aren't you going to vote for the Democratic President who is in office?
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whatchamacallit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-07-11 04:40 PM
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55. Depends
In the unlikely event Obama is challenged by a viable democrat or progressive independent, he will not get my vote. What I found lol-worthy is your question "why would a democrat do anything else?"
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SidDithers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-07-11 02:43 PM
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48. You really want his ass...
don't you whatchamacallit.

Sid
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whatchamacallit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-07-11 04:44 PM
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56. Not at all
Edited on Fri Jan-07-11 04:59 PM by whatchamacallit
unlike people calling for prosecutions of Assange and Manning, I want no such thing for the president. I just want him to do his job on a higher level than suck.
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Horse with no Name Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-07-11 12:10 PM
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17. A REAL progressive? I LOVE Lloyd Doggett!
:loveya:

http://doggett.house.gov/
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ceile Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-07-11 01:55 PM
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38. Shoot. I wish he'd run for gov first...n/t
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-07-11 12:41 PM
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Turborama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-07-11 01:48 PM
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37. Is this the level DU has sunk to?
Really?
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Erose999 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-07-11 02:11 PM
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42. I will re-direct the question to you. What does it mean to be a "Democrat" anymore? Now that our

elected "Democrats" are:

1.) Not only supporting, but also expanding unnecessary, unjust wars
2.) Endorsing cuts to SS, Medicare, and the rest of the social safety net
3.) Supporting union busting, supporting trade agreements that send jobs overseas
4.) Forcing a mandate on us to participate in the same private insurance ponzi scheme that ruined healthcare

etc etc etc.

If "winning elections" is all that matters, and principles are "negotiable", then I'm out.
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Turborama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-07-11 02:46 PM
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49. Redirecting what from where?
Edited on Fri Jan-07-11 02:48 PM by Turborama
Your Faux news like insults towards President Obama were offensive.

That is all.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-07-11 03:04 PM
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Tierra_y_Libertad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-07-11 12:45 PM
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23. An anti-war progressive. Which eliminates Obama and several others on the list.
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Vinca Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-07-11 12:51 PM
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27. My first choice would be Bernie Sanders, but of course he will not run,
so whoever isn't a Republican.
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totodeinhere Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-07-11 12:51 PM
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28. This poll is not exactly a ringing endorsement for Obama.
So far he has 39 votes and others have 37 votes. BTW, I voted for dean. But if Obama is the nominee, and he probably will be, of course I will vote for him.
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lumberjack_jeff Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-07-11 12:56 PM
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30. A Democrat. What's up with the airplane photos? n/t
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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-07-11 12:58 PM
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31. A hard core progressive is needed.
A trust buster should be a quality desired. I'm not sure how deeply these candidates are to one.
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Iggo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-07-11 01:11 PM
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34. The Democratic candidate in the General Election. (n/t)
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Fla_Democrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-07-11 01:24 PM
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36. Is "GORN" an acronym for..
Good Ol' Ralph Nader? :evilgrin:




:hide:
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hfojvt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-07-11 02:23 PM
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46. that was pretty funny
video of the Gorn

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7p4xMQevkpI
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mvd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-07-11 02:11 PM
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41. I'd like a challenger from the left to voice the disappointment..
I and others have felt. But since there probably won't be a viable challenger, Obama will be who we have. And he is definitely better than the Repukes.
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BlueIris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-07-11 02:18 PM
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43. I will take Anyone/Anyone, thanks.
For all the difference it's going to make.
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marmar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-07-11 02:19 PM
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44. You want a Delta 727 for president?
:P
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Capn Sunshine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-07-11 02:23 PM
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45. Oh Yeah, Russ Feingold
Guy couldn't even keep his Senate seat. Thanks for the support DUers.
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Morning Dew Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-07-11 02:24 PM
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47. You forgot Jimmy McMillan. n/t
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fadedrose Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-07-11 02:48 PM
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50. I honestly don't think it matters
A Dem would be much better than a Rep, but between the candidates I don't think there would be much of a difference.

I guess it depends on which corporations you'd like to see helped.
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lpbk2713 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-07-11 02:53 PM
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51. I don't think Grayson is ready to run for Prez ... but




I'd give serious consideration to anyone who ran for Prez with Grayson in the Veep slot.

It would give Grayson some seasoning and prepare him for a future run for Prez.


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ooglymoogly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-07-11 03:02 PM
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52. Aint it quaint how you left off someone who might actually win
Alan Grayson, while putting names who have absolutely no chance whatsoever.

My choice; Alan Grayson with Sheldon Whitehouse, Berni Sanders, Anthony Weiner, Al Franken et al; any of in second.
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raouldukelives Donating Member (945 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-07-11 03:09 PM
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54. The only person they would allow to primary against Obama
Is another conservative.
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SidDithers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-07-11 06:53 PM
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62. Who is "they"?...nt
Sid
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MilesColtrane Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-07-11 04:45 PM
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57. Other: Candidate Obama, circa 2007
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superduperfarleft Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-07-11 04:47 PM
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58. It doesn't matter what I want.
Obama will coast to re-election in 2012, barring a plague of locusts or something.
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MzNov Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-07-11 05:50 PM
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59. A big scarey Union leader
who takes no crap and runs a big scarey woman union leader as VP. Someone who we might not know about yet, but who is shouting liberal progressive values from the rooftops. Someone who knows how to spin and market and frame the issues based on the reality that the working middle class is being slaughtered. And someone who hasn't already caved to the current president's agenda.

Then I will delight in watching the end of these rat bastard repukelicans and democrats who "work with" them.
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B Calm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-07-11 06:48 PM
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60. What a bullshit list! NO Bernie Sanders?
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walldude Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-07-11 06:51 PM
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61. I'll go the Mark Twain route
I want the person who wants the job the least to get it.
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11 Bravo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-07-11 06:56 PM
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63. Other: ME! I'm the only one who will govern exactly as I wish, and at DU nothing else matters.
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SidDithers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-07-11 06:59 PM
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64. +1...nt
Sid
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Lasher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-08-11 06:02 AM
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65. Hmm, 77 votes for Obama.
And the exact same number of votes for the other selections combined.
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