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Donnachaidh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-17-11 05:14 PM
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How Bad Are Credit Default Swaps?
http://motherjones.com/kevin-drum/2011/06/how-bad-are-credit-default-swaps

Why is the European Central Bank dead set against even a "voluntary" restructuring of Greek debt that would force private investors to take a bit of a haircut on their holdings of Greek bonds? Matt Steinglass thinks their motivations are pretty much what they say they are:

The ECB doesn't believe it's possible to make private holders of Greek debt "share the pain" without precipitating a Greek default. They think if you pressure banks to roll over Greek debt, that debt will become untradeable, which is the same as "worthless"; the ratings agencies will deem the failure to pay at maturity to be a technical default, which may trigger credit default swaps; the Greek banking system will become insolvent, meaning nobody in Greece will have any money anymore; recapitalising those Greek banks will have to be done by governments that actually have money, ie the northern European ones; and ultimately the costs will all fall on the northern European taxpayer anyway. Meanwhile northern Europe's pension funds will be hit by the credit panic, which again will hurt the average citizen. The ECB folks sincerely think there's no way around having taxpayers pick up the bill for saving Greece and the euro.

I would really like to see a more detailed explanation of this. The basic idea here is that credit default swaps are (duh) triggered by a default: when you buy CDS on, say, a Greek bond, you're paying for protection against default. If the issuer of the bond defaults, then you're made whole by whoever you bought the CDS insurance from.

So far, so simple. It's often a little unclear exactly what triggers payment of a CDS, but it's perfectly plausible that even a modest restructuring, whether voluntary or not, would count as an "event" that would trigger lots of CDS contracts. But then what? What are the figures here? Just how much CDS is there on Greek debt? How much would be triggered by default? Who are the main sellers of CDS on Greek bonds? How big would the effect be if they had to pay off bondholders?

More at the link --
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xchrom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-17-11 05:15 PM
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1. recommend
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Oceansaway Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-17-11 05:17 PM
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2. K&R...n/t
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CJCRANE Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-17-11 05:28 PM
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3. I have no idea but I know the bankers figured out a way to dig a huge hole
and fill it with taxpayers' money.
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girl gone mad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-17-11 05:53 PM
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4. Banks understand how modern money works..
but they don't want the average person to understand since then you might figure out that SS and Medicare aren't actually insolvent.
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B-Stupid Donating Member (87 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-17-11 06:01 PM
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5. The instrument in itself is not bad
it's how they are issued and traded that's the problem.
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femrap Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-17-11 06:48 PM
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6. That a speculator can gamble
on the bankruptcy of a sovereign country says it all.

Remember nothing was done to regulate derivatives....it's just one big roulette table.
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B-Stupid Donating Member (87 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-17-11 07:09 PM
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7. But if you own Greece debt
you would be crazy not to hedge your bets through a CDS.
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femrap Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-17-11 07:14 PM
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8. If you own Greek debt,
you are stupid and deserve to lose. But, big investors don't lose....the taxpayers come in and make them whole. Isn't that the new game in town? The investors get the Audacity and the taxpayers get the Austerity. The Audacity of Austerity.

There is no transparency....taxpayers will get stuck bailing out 'the too big to fail' crowd again.
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