Bilderberg 2011: The tipping point

What it boils down to is this:

Secret government by the world's economic elite is most undemocratic.



Photograph: Paul Dorneanu/infocon.ro



And because there's no transparency, we are left to speculate as to who their actions will benefit.

FWIW: I'm not so gullible anymore as to believe it's the world's common people.

christmas wish lists... Us "normal folks" get to be part of the pain that they cause with their wants..

I think it's this:

"One of the things that is interesting about reading conspiracy theory is that much of what folks think is conspiracy is really many people acting in concert to make or protect their money." - Catherine Austin Fitts

Catherine Austin Fitts -- A Patriot and Hero.

Al Qaeda is a conspiracy theory.
The Taliban is a conspiracy theory.
The NSA is a conspiracy theory.
The CIA is a whole list of conspiracy theories, many (like the history of LSD) too bizarre to be believable.
The 'lone loony' theory of political assassinations is a conspiracy theory, albeit a loony one itself.

And so on...

What do you suppose you'd be called if you spoke the truth, in detail, about the CIA and LSD, the FBI infiltrating women's rights organizations, wholesale drug trafficking and dealing by US Government agents

in 1973?

Well, things are worse now than they were then. Does anyone have any rational reason to suggest there are fewer conspiracies now than then?

"Conspiracy theorist" is the n-word of politics - a smear term with little or no useful content beyond "I don't want to think about that."

They are always from fmailies with close tioes to the Bush Crime Junta. ALWAYS. Even the jackhole who shot Reagan -- question:cui bono? (who benefits?)

Well, Poppy WAS VP when that coincidence coincidentally happened.

I want to go next year. Over the past weekend, all the Bilderberger posts ended up in the 9/11 Forum.

It's like I entered another Universe.

to David Rockefeller.....what a hoot...'For he's jolly good fellow.'

He's 96 and as evil as they come. Don't these dudes ever die???

Eventually, but they also reproduce.

to David Rockefeller.....what a hoot...'For he's jolly good fellow.'

He's 96 and as evil as they come. Don't these dudes ever die???

So, we'll have that going for us.

I bet the hotels are expennn-sive.

Regarding the OP: Yes, it is a great story. The Guardian is one of the world's great newspapers, too.

In the United States, almost all the media are controlled by a few companies, what I term Corporate McPravda.
They never cover anything that would threaten the positions of their owners, oftentimes the same people attending the Bilderberg.

love it!!! What's sad is that the Soviet People knew they were getting propaganda....the Americans don't.

McClatchy (sp?) newspaper is the only decent paper in the US, imho.

that the Swiss authorities don't use Agents Provocateur to stir up trouble to justify a un-democratic agenda. The Police should be commended.

pretending to be a whole bunch of people.

the old "secret society is controlling the world" woo.
is there a video I can watch with ominous music?

the old "There are no groups of elites that control anything" dogshit. All the "smart" folks who don't believe it's necessary to question authority, will one day wake up holding their asses.

it should be relatively simple to answer these questions in regards to Bilderberg...

What policies and decisions allegedly have come from the Bilderberg group?
Where is the evidence of their impact?

Woo away!

Example: "Money trumps peace." -- George W Bush, 14 Feb 2007

Then there are the tax cuts and trickle-down for 30 years to no real success for anyone other than the tax-dodging global economic elite.

Example: Geithner's New York Fed Pushed AIG to Keep Sweetheart Deals Secret

and this was all planned at the Bilderberg meeting, eh?

How about making and maintaining connections between members of the elite over time?



Anyway. Who knew Henry the K's a Bilderberger?

oh my goodness!
how evil!
so, you can't point to any thing the Bilderberg group has actually done to show how they run the world.
doesn't surprise me coming from someone who didn't know they've met in the US.

explain why they are so 'secret' about what they are doing. Why not let us hear their discussions, bring the cameras in, let us ask them questions. Why do they hide? Why do they need so much protection against the prying eyes of the public?

Of course we can't show you what they do, because they make certain we don't know what they do.

Why don't you go ask them what they are hiding? Why are they prepared to beat the life out of people rather than let anyone even know who is there?

Tell you what, when they are willing to be transparent about their yearly, secret society meetings behind blackened windows, protected by robo cops who make sure no 'peasant' types get anywhere near them, we'll show it you.

But that's the problem, isn't it? You're asking for something THEY are hiding. Why are you asking US, why don't you go ask them?

Since they will not provide any info on what they do in their fortress, we are free to speculate.

Are you sure you wanted to address that remark to post # 154 by Sabrina1?

What is the difference between that statement and what the rightwing kept saying to our side about Bush wiretapping US citizens, namely: "If you don't have anything to hide, then why should you complain?"

The "old dude" is Ellsworth Bunker. At the time, he was U.S. ambassador to South Vietnam. One of the true public servants in that sorry sordid affair. Look at his stare toward Henry K.

The ambassador's family is the same family from Bunker Hill fame. One of his cousins, Paul Bunker, was taken prisoner by the Japanese at Corregidor. He sewed a piece of the flag inside his uniform and kept it from his captors. He died from privation a year or so before the war ended.

You remember the hearings where we all decided which oil company would get which part of Iraq. Remember?

LOL! Yeah, should be a snap to draw a straight line between the secret deliberations of anonymous heads of state, cabinet and finance ministers, bankers, CEOs... and policy. The only thing simple here is the mind that formulated that challenge.

In other words, you can't point to anything or back up the assertions in any way.
just a gut feeling perhaps?

It makes no claims, only asks questions. Which is something intelligent minds do.

Cross rainstorms with horses and narwhals in an effort to produce unicorns who fart rainbows.

What else could it possibly be with these fine upstanding global citizens?

-Hoot

as much evidence for that as anything else.

For hunting zebras when you're hearing hoofbeats.

-Hoot

That's usually the end result of any meeting between the rich and powerful.

Did you actually listen to what Zappa had publicly stated about governments and clandestine groups?

Thank you Octofish-I knew the Bilderberg group was meeting. You think Rockefeller and Kissinger made a pact with the horned one or evil lives longer?

It's too bad the plebes aren't represented in these "elite" meetings.

But not if too many more pictures of Huntsman with Kissinger show up in the papers in Santiago, Tehran and European Union nations where Kissinger cannot travel for fear of being slapped with the same kind of arrest warrants that were issued for Pinochet before he died.

http://www.sltrib.com/sltrib/blogsdebate/52028715-176/kissinger-huntsman-china-media.html.csp?du

Oh I guess not.

And that makes two of us.

But I'd rather read it without you so WTMIL.

The richest people in the world have no impact. Don't want to have an impact.
Why, they are just meeting to go over the news and ring their hands at all the bad news.

They would never do anything to control anything, right?

but then you think......why are they hiding? Why so secretive?

And if they did anything that caused an impact, do you think they'd issue a press release?
And how is it that those few are raking in more dough than ever? Just an accident?

Better watch out! Being all logical, deductive, and erudite might cause some on this thread to succumb to cognitive dissonance!

(...or, you might get that trite "you're just a conspiracy theorist!" El Toro Poo Poo.)

and NOT on a silver platter, either...

...appear cynical about everything to appear "cool"?

met him a few times as well.
once for a 20 minute chat...just the two of us.
what are you implying?
and since when is asking for evidence "cynical"?
did you mean "logical"?

were everybody can be anything they want, isn't it?

charge coming into the country?

I asked zappaman if he was discussing with FZ driving 10 mph over the limit.

Last time you mentioned it, you said you met "twice." Now it's three times? Wow!

I asked you then about it, too. But, you didn't respond. Remember?

met him first at a an anti-obscenity bill hearing in Annapolis MD(not the PMRC senate hearing which is more famous and earlier), second time at a lecture he gave at Cal State Northridge(nothing more than an intro and a rehash of where I met him briefly), then at a place called Pacific Video. He was there working on the BABY SNAKES video and one other that I don't remember the name of. I was working on a project and was taking a break at 1AM in their kitchen. He came in, bummed a light of me(smoking still allowed back then) and we chatted mostly about Baltimore(where I grew up) and the PRMC.

Now, that is how you answer a question...something you never do.
But, I'll try again...
1. What policies and decisions allegedly have come from the Bilderberg group?
2. Where is the evidence of their impact?

Don't bother bloviating...

As for your questions, I did answer them.

remotely resembles an "answer", dude.

This is just the Octafish two-step.

You and your little buddy always seem to show up whenever the MIC position is threatened.

A few examples:

Jail Bush

JFK Foretold His Assassination

There isn't any such article, dude...

where are your answers, dude?

Your deflections are comical. Speaking of coordinated, do you have my old posts indexed or something?

Too funny.

You seem to spend entire weekends answering or replying to my posts. Why is that?

PS: I'd say you have nothing better to do, but that would be my opinion.

You seem to want to do anything other than answer simple questions, dude.

prove it

BTW: I water ski, downhill ski and cross-country ski. Take my word for it.

I'm confused, dude. If the Bilderbergs run the world, does that mean the Illuminati doesn't? How about the Freemasons? How about TPTB? The NWO?

Do they ever have battles to see who will run the world?

I'd ask you to put them in your jounal, but you don't have one. Pity.

dude. Who really runs the world? If it was going to be the Bilderbergs, wouldn't they have already done it after 60 years?

For the record, dude, I don't think the Bilderberg Group is anywhere near the bogeyman you make them out to be. But just go on and keep scaring people with your scapegoating. The irony is you engage in precisely the same behavior you accuse people you refer to as fearmongers of engaging in.

Too funny.

dude, no matter how often you chide me about it.

In the meantime, I seriously doubt the following is happening:

Bilderberg Group Chairman: "Omigod! Some guy named 'Octafish' at Democratic Underground has caught onto us and is exposing our plot to take over the world in his journal! Quick! Shred all the files and everybody retreat to one of the safehouses!".

Too funny, dude.

posted with ludicrously unjustified arrogance, without of course even reading the original material.

And you think you're persuading anyone of a position? Or are you just out to ruin the cognitive neighborhood?

Exposed 500,000 face big offshore tax penalties

By Steve Tolley
MoneyMarketing
10 June 2011 8:00 am

HM Revenue & Customs says it has uncovered 500,000 people with money in offshore tax havens who could face severe financial penalties if they have used them to evade tax.

SOURCE: http://www.moneymarketing.co.uk/offshore/exposed-500000-face-big-offshore-tax-penalties/1032558.article

Gee. It's too bad the IRS couldn't do the same to the tax cheats over here. What's weird is the one whistleblower of late is doing time for... reporting the names of the U.S. tax dodgers hiding a trillion dollars offshore.

Crazy world, ours. Thanks, Hotler, for giving a damn!

Seriously -- this needs to be out there. K&R, btw.

listed in the article....I wonder where the Bilderbergers are meeting next year.

Daniel Estulin, author of "The True Story of the Bilderberg Group," has done an excellent job covering the meeting and organization.

YouTube interview: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I-15EjHCzds

He may not know where the thing will be, but he knows the rotation of countries...never in the USA, I underestand.

Message removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.

:shrug:

Press interviews Robert Gibbs after they were told Obama would not be on the plane that night
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cfgfH1ro6vs

it probably would be.

Do you have any evidence of any sort of causal connection?

of course they do a better job at covering distractions.

I would be interested to know if the Dem nominee for president attended this meeting.

you have any concrete evidence of wrong-doing by the Bilderberg Group.

a causal connection, either.

Thought so.

with this gem:



...reported by the mainstream media, that is.

I rest my case.

Thank heavens you came by when you did, otherwise I'd have gone through life thinking the wrong thing.

So. What do you have to say about the Bilderberg Group?

you could simply fact-check your goofy claims.

By 2014, the Bilderberg Group will have met annually for 60 years. I think if they were going to take over the world, they would have done so by now, dude.

very interesting....especially toward the end where he says that John Edwards will probably be discarded.

Makes me want to get off the grid, get a bicycle and prepare to live like my grandparents did....or maybe great-grandparents.

And I enjoyed the flamenco music.

Thanks for the link.

C'mon, you can tell me. Be honest.

and behind the curtains.

Thanks for posting this!

More from Cryptome:

http://cryptome.org/0004/bilderberg-2011.htm

Most importantly: You are most welcome, nc4bo!

...it comes from the Trilateral Commission's meeting some time ago (2000 or so).
I know, not the Bilderbergers, but there are a few of the same names. And they meet for the same reasons: protect thy gold.

Thank you, Octafish, for all you do.

The exclusivity thing: Know your BFEE: Eugenics and the NAZIs - The California Connection

Most importantly: Thank you for the heads-up, 7wo7rees. The richest people in the world, and their clubs, are sure swell -- same for their toadies.

Our media is complete silent on these annual meetings. Now that speaks volumes.

Three Things Every American Should Know About Corporate McPravda

Thanks also for understanding!

This is the first informative mainstream article I've read about the Bilderberg group!

The comments at the Guardian site are worth a glance too. Veils are being lifted, or at least thinning at the edges.

Coincidentally, the Greek word "Apocalypse" means lifting of the veil.

The annual meeting of these most powerful, wealthy and influential people on earth is merely the bit that has become publicly known, finally - instead of it being ridiculed as a mere fantasy by paranoid conspiracy nuts. The fact that these Bilderberger attendees network with each other throughout the year needs to be more closely inspected for its implications about elections around the world, promotions of high officials, and most of all, the trend-setting activities that take place in complete secrecy.

For instance, Kissinger's talked bizniss with Poppy and Smirko:



Poppy's pop Prescott has talked bizness with Baron Rothschild:



Small world, indeed.

until someone said that the group was started by the husband of the queen of Holland.

And then I remembered that I knew someone who was an oil executive who was Dutch and had worked for the spying apparatus in WWII. I kind of gathered from things he said that he knew the royal couple fairly well considering he was not an aristocrat.

Then I began to think about other people he knew, and I began to see a certain pattern. I am still somewhat doubtful about all the evil conspiracy stuff, but I don't think of it as entirely so far-fetched based on my personal experience with this one person whom I knew well enough although not extremely well.

They just want to become even richer and control more of us peon, little people.

It isn't necessarily an evil conspiracy, but they do conspire.

I thought we put all that way in the past, back in 1776.

and then degenerated into a policy discussion and planning group with the interest of maintaining the power of the wealthy clique that "belongs," i.e., that can pay the membership dues.

but to decide which wars they'd allow, no matter what the UN might say. There can be a lot of profit to be had in a well-managed war.

Proof? None.

Evidence? Has the numbers of wars around the world increased or decreased since the first meeting?

Certainly they have conspired to exert influence upon the UN because the UN is the one universal force which can control the Bilderbergers.

Frankly, I feel they have been very successful in limiting the UN. The UN is pretty much a lackey these days.

They know what their purpose is. We can only speculate.

IMO, that does indicate one thing - it is anti-democratic. Democracy is dependent on and informed public, and they are one of the least transparent organizations in the world - possibly second only to the Vatican. We know more about the workings and goals and personnel in the Burmese governemnt than we do about the Bilderbergs. It makes no difference that many of their leading members are high in democratic governments - THEY are anti-democratic. I have to assume that.

but in this case, it is.

:kick:

. . . The question is, how do we limit the damage the powerful can do to us?"
– Chris Hedges, "The Failure of the Liberal Class in the United States," address to the Poverty Scholars Program, April 10, 2010.

they never ever talk about anything important, promise.

What's more they are protected by the police who are paid by tax payers.
Democracy my ass!

yeah that's right - i didn't you could - cause that's just a label people put on things they aren't willing to look into.

you do realize all a conspiracy is are 2 or more people getting together to achieve a common goal? tell me you at least know that mr N/T not even willing to post a reply. whatever dude. :eyes:

putting forth a (poorly researched) conspiracy theory.

and i don't see you refuting any of the facts in the OP.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/jun/16/bilderberg-2011-tipping-point <-- in case you missed it

how, exactly? Because the OP says so?

I don't find "arguments from ignorance" persuasive at all.

and are probably just trying to hijack this thread. i've read your posts before - i see how you operate. you will get no more replies from me and i have have put you on ignore. have a good day.

Too funny.

Message removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.

How DARE I question the factual basis of the OP!

...of the message are being disingenuous.

questioning the factual basis of a claim is "attacking the messenger"?

or are these attacks as well?

1.What policies and decisions allegedly have come from the Bilderberg group?
2.Where is the evidence of their impact?

argument I have made?

without providing any factual backing whatsoever to justify your accusation, ergo you were attacking the character of the messenger, i.e. an "ad hominem."

Clear enough?

(I don't care it either way, I just found it hilarious your attack on other poster's sophism given you were guilty of it too).

"Poorly researched conpiracy" is a critique of the post, not the poster. I think you need to study the term again.

Many people prefer not to know; in fact, intellectuals are usually the worst that way. They want their titles and formal concepts to maintain the appearance of legitimacy, they dislike the idea that there's stuff going on that they're not allowed to know that affects their lives and they can't do anything about it.

thanks JackRiddler - and i think you are right - in many ways people don't want to know - or don't want to believe, even when the reality is presented right in front of them.

you would think there should be some discussion in our media.

there is.

For example:

http://www.businesswire.com/portal/site/google/?ndmViewId=news_view&newsId=20080605006246&newsLang=en

Duh.

No they are not.

One little press release and the corporate media barely covers it.

wrong again.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/7804197/The-Bilderberg-Group-fact-and-fantasy.html

And yes, this is conspiracy woo.
Funny that it first started on the right.
Who says the left and the right can't find common ground?

While we are at it, how is this different from the typical HAARP, Chemtrails, New World Order stuff?

I have it on very good authority that chemtrails is one of the things discussed at Bilderberg.
you can't prove it wasn't, can you?
also, they made the decision to change coke back in the 80s.
that didn't work out so well...

Message removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.

so insulting!
let's see how smart you are.
can you answer either of these questions...or just insult?

1.What policies and decisions allegedly have come from the Bilderberg group?
2.Where is the evidence of their impact?

this thread is mostly about the economy, mais non?

Conspiracy theorists - "Something terrible is going on there!"

Me - And that is proven how?

Conspiracy theorists - "They are controlling the world and are not elected!"

Me - Again, where is the proof they even influence anything, let alone control it?

Conspiracy theorists - "It's bad I tell you, bad!"

Me - This is nothing different than a think tank that meets once a year. There are thousands of think tanks of every conceivable ideology that put out position papers all the time and send those position papers to politicians.

Conspiracy theorists - "But the people that go to Bilderberg are rich!"

Me - OK, yeah, they have a lot of money... and?

Conspiracy theorists - "You just dont get it do you?"

Me - Apparently not.

have as many powerful people attending?

Bernanke's net worth in 2008 was reported to be in the range of 800K to under 2 million.

I bet his position as Chairman of the Federal Reserve played a larger role in his invitation.

Here is a list of think tanks for you http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_think_tanks

And a question back at you. Why is the position papers portion of what I wrote so important to you?

So, if a group is basically the same thing as a think tank but doesnt issue position papers, is it then conspiracy fodder?

but if you want to say they are just like any other think tank who publishes position papers you should be able to provide a link?

You seem to be backing away from the excuse you offered in your conversation with yourself.

:shrug:

Also I did address your point of 'they are all rich' with Bernanke's estimated net worth and said he was not invited because of his wealth, but because of his postion. Your talk with yourself makes no sense to me and you cannot back up the claims you made.



"Conspiracy theorists - "Something terrible is going on there!"

Me - And that is proven how?

Conspiracy theorists - "They are controlling the world and are not elected!"

Me - Again, where is the proof they even influence anything, let alone control it?

Conspiracy theorists - "It's bad I tell you, bad!"

Me - This is nothing different than a think tank that meets once a year. There are thousands of think tanks of every conceivable ideology that put out position papers all the time and send those position papers to politicians.

Conspiracy theorists - "But the people that go to Bilderberg are rich!"

Me - OK, yeah, they have a lot of money... and?

Conspiracy theorists - "You just dont get it do you?"

Me - Apparently not."

issue.

You missed the point of my little example conversation. No proof is offered by your side to begin with. You are the ones asserting that there is evildoing going on. You have to provide proof of that first before you request proof refuting your suggestions.

and you accuse me of diversionary tactics - LOL.

Since I have never asserted anything in my posts there is no reason to prove anything.

You cannot back up your claim about position papers from Bilderberg - you still have not provided the link.

If 200 well connected socialists were holding secret meetings, the CIA and press would be all over it, but we're supposed to pretend these parasites are just good Samaritans meeting to plan out world peace and promote charitable deeds?

LOL. In 2010, they were caught discussing how to suppress dissent and manipulate opinion in cyberspace.

Message removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.

and vs our inalienable rights with or without a Constitution -- !!

And, we can't even convince many here at DU to stop voting for the "lesser evil" -- !!!


Our greatest problem is Global Warming and these corporations will permit the destruction

of the planet and humanity before giving up their greed/violence -- !!

right

for a few years now.

Thanks for bringing more attention to this, Octafish.

Wholeheartedly agree with your comment, 'Secret government by the world's economic elite is most undemocratic'.


Bilderberg 2011: The tipping point, By Charlie Skelton, 16 June 2011

'What we have learned from this year's Bilderberg conference'




List of 2011 Participants But some of them escaped the list.

Awareness of Bilderberg Cabal Explodes in 2011 (Many supporting details here)



Bilderberg 2011: The opposition steps up

Posted by Charlie Skelton Saturday 11 June 2011
UK Guardian News Blog






Hopefully, the new scrutiny breaking through on this shadowy annual meeting of elites will open some eyes.






The cat is out of the bag.


And, unfortunately for the secretive elite who fancy themselves the rulers of the world, the "alternative media" will pick their bones.


A message for "The Elite": It is not just YOUR world.

Now off to click on some of your links.

Thank you for being curious. Without curiosity, no progress.

From seafan's link Awareness of Bilderberg Cabal explodes
http://www.thenewamerican.com/world-mainmenu-26/europe-mainmenu-35/7841-awareness-of-bilderberg-cabal-explodes-in-2011



I didn't have to read Rockefeller's autobiography to understand what he and his fellow "Masters of the Universe" cohorts have been plotting. The results are rubbed into all of our faces every day with less and less lubricants. At least for all but the most obtuse among us, the masks are coming down harder and faster now. And that is wonderful. It's a step forward for the masses into the information age. It is also gratifying to see a confirmation from the horse's mouth itself.

It's really starting to feel as if we are on the cusp of a 'change of dynamics', if you will.


If we, the common people, rip down the wall of secrecy that the stratospherically wealthy and influential have erected around themselves for half a century as they plotted their global schemes, it will be a game changer for the people of the world.

Really?

"The illusion of freedom will continue as long as it's profitable to continue the illusion.
At the point where the illusion becomes too expensive to maintain,
they will just take down the scenery, they will pull back the curtains,
they will move the tables and chairs out of the way
and you will see the brick wall at the back of the theater."

-- Frank Zappa

murky suspicions about the secrecy are what is keeping this off the Greatest Page. In order to highlight the dangers of such secrecy by "elites" whether it be secret caucuses of county GOP mayors or grand high poobahs of globalism it is almost justified to accuse them of the worst? Why not? Why do the outsiders have to play fair?

Anyway the obvious and not so secret stuff is pretty interesting. It seemed when Bush took office the world as represented by the self-entitled seers and peers of the realm was rightly concerned about the predictable horror and incompetence of the the crooks. Cheney sent them a handholding delegation and probably one to push their future agenda for war. The Steel Workers Union sent their main guy, all as happy as a No Child Left Behind reformer, to work out a square deal so that the USA business would not be gutted by the competition. They worked out a deal in similar vein to the Teamsters dealing for border trucking legislation. Some stuff was probably agreed upon.

All good stuff of course was left to wither on the vine. No Child Left Behind was passed. Some action taken to bolster US steel. Some stuff for the Teamsters. Hey, throw in a peace blueprint for the ME and a spaceship for Mars. Bush/Cheney could care less about the suckers, especially after 911. Nothing good, reasonable or mutually beneficial even affected by groups we don't trust at all to keep the evil out were of absolute zero concern to the regime. It failed, got ignored or perverted when they had the time to spare from the Agenda. Bilderberg, the G groups, the UN, NATO. Nothing unless by accidental parallel with the Cheney Shadow Doctrine. At best Bilderberg is just another global Third Way convention. At worst it brings the beasts together to whet their common appetites and uncommon error.

The world is led by sh*t, under the counsel of foolish sh*t, for the sole benefit of the sh*ttiest most corrupted examples of the species, and the results plainly are sh*t, of predictable, obligatory death marches on a bridge to nowhere over the worst prioritized fears mankind has probably ever had to tolerate from people of power and unjustified ego.

"People of the same trade seldom meet together, even for merriment and diversion, but the conversation ends in a conspiracy against the public, or in some contrivance to raise prices."
-- Adam Smith, Wealth Of Nations

"We are not a young people with an innocent record and a scanty inheritance. We have engrossed to ourselves an altogether disproportionate share of the wealth and traffic of the world. We have got all we want in territory, and our claim to be left in the unmolested enjoyment of vast and splendid possessions, mainly acquired by violence, largely maintained by force, often seems less reasonable to others than to us." -- Sir Winston Churchill , "The World Crisis", released in the 1920s.

Message removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.

Sub-thread removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.

Executive Director, United Nations World Food Programme

I hear her nickname is Empress of Evil!

Sid

Do you think their hanging out with her legitimates a club that not only has them as members, but, at least in Kissinger's case, as one of the show-runners?

http://www.bilderbergmeetings.org/index.php

Oh, and here's the list of attendees to the Swiss meetings.

http://www.bilderbergmeetings.org/participants_2011.html

Sid

"Your search Bilderberg meeting 2011 did not match any documents."

Not even a mention.

"Your search Bilderberg meeting 2008 did not match any documents."

Not even a mention, although it was held in Chantilly, Va. the same weekend Obama and Clinton had their secret meeting and the press traveling with Obama found themselves on a plance without the candidate.

and how they distract us from what's really important - Hey look's it's that guy's penis again! ugh. :puke:

Maybe this guy can help:

might as well admit it. People are so easily brainwashed, not to mention easily distracted.

How many business meetings were held on Friday? And of those, how many had the details reported?

People meet to discuss issues. Wealthyl people meet to discuss issues. This is only an issue if you have a going in assumption that either wealthy people in general or the Bilderberg Group in particular has an underlying philosophy of doing harm to everybody else. If so, I'd like to see some evidence that doesn't build of a Jesse Ventura "Conspiracy Theory" episode.

instead of Weiner's dick or the Kardashians or whatever being "news."

And certainly the Bilderberg conference is more than just a "business meeting." It is a long-running conference of hundreds of policymakers, political officials and executives from all sectors and many nations, with the announced intent of shaping agendas for the whole world. This is news and it is the business of a democratic polity to know about it, especially if they never publish real notes or deliberations or reports or even a complete, reliable list of the attendees. (Their website seems to exist to mock calls for disclosure with the utter paucity of information disclosed.)

I invite any readers here to return to the post Mr. Leser is responding to:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=439&topic_id=1318515&mesg_id=1333583

Are my "assertions" therein (actually nothing more than the well-known facts about Bilderberg) the least bit controversial?

Be it German beers or Italian lightbulbs to put groups and meetings of this nature in the center sights of what ails us is a distraction. They are actors and functionaries but are ruled themselves by the necessities of capitalism. Many are no doubt pretty decent people, they do as they must lest they lose their place and position, most would do the same. It is the mechanism of Capital which drives all of this, the necessity of increasing profits. As long as there is a capitalist economic system there will be some groups vying for dominance and control, capitalism has nothing to do with democracy except in the terms most favorable to the ruling class, it is a sham.

Thank you for encapsulating it so well and succinctly, blindpig. The sham as you've described also makes a most memorable image.

Capitalism is their instrument for ruling over the globe. The only force on the planet that had a chance to control it was the government of the United States, through laws and regulation. It's time We the People regained control of what is ours.



A Credit Crisis or a Ponzi Scheme?

It is a bunch of rich people meeting with other rich people to talk about policy. If that's a conspiracy, then there must be conspiracies everywhere.

Decisions aren't made at that conference, and there is no Dr Evil on the mike saying "MMMmkay we will wage war against Iraq this year..."

The reasons for the wars are obvious: oil. They've all but admitted it, and it isn't a conspiracy, it's war profiteering. Done in the open. In front of everyone. And no one cares. This is the real tragedy - that this shit is out in the open, and no one gives a rats ass, well, except us.

That's where Corporate McPravda comes in.
Ever hear Sean Hannity wonder why we needed to invade Iraq?

LOL!

Too funny, dude.

I don't find their "coverage" since November 22, 1963 to be much to write history about.

Have you ever read any of Seymour Hersh's work? How about Haynes Johnson? Woodward and Bernstein?

I have less faith in our species I guess

If Abu Gharaib didn't stop the war in Iraq, then nothing will...

n/t