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Tom Rinaldo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-19-11 01:58 PM Original message |
I don't think Progressives should abandon the Democratic Party |
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bluerum (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-19-11 02:07 PM Response to Original message |
1. Of course. Does all that come with a kiss? |
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Tom Rinaldo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-19-11 02:09 PM Response to Reply #1 |
3. Sure. Milk or Dark Chocolate? n/t |
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Scuba (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-19-11 02:07 PM Response to Original message |
2. And I don't think the Democratic Party should abandon Progressives. n/t |
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Wounded Bear (665 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-19-11 02:10 PM Response to Reply #2 |
4. This.....unfortunately.... |
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Tom Rinaldo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-19-11 02:13 PM Response to Reply #4 |
5. Yup. I think we need a way to hold the Democratic Parties feet to the fire |
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TheWraith (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-19-11 02:15 PM Response to Reply #4 |
6. And the generation of Democrats before you thought the same thing. |
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Tom Rinaldo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-19-11 02:17 PM Response to Reply #6 |
9. The shift of wealth over the last 20 years is real. |
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TheWraith (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-19-11 02:28 PM Response to Reply #9 |
15. One thing does not necessarily follow the other. |
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Tom Rinaldo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-19-11 02:31 PM Response to Reply #15 |
16. Any Democracy functions by compromises |
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TheWraith (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-19-11 02:33 PM Response to Reply #16 |
18. And I'm saying that's a matter of perceptual bias. |
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Tom Rinaldo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-19-11 02:37 PM Response to Reply #18 |
19. I know. I think we got clarity on the way we are disageeing on this |
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MikeMc (636 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-20-11 01:53 PM Response to Reply #19 |
50. +1 Tom and s1. + 1 to the O.P., also. NT |
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sabrina 1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-19-11 04:23 PM Response to Reply #18 |
33. Is protecting SS 'radical left'? |
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Armstead (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-20-11 11:18 AM Response to Reply #18 |
35. Your own perceptual biases are showing |
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MikeMc (636 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-20-11 01:50 PM Response to Reply #6 |
49. "Things fall apart" -- Yeats |
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Tippy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-19-11 03:34 PM Response to Reply #4 |
25. As I have aged, I've moved further....and further...and further to the LEFT |
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ChairmanAgnostic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-19-11 03:36 PM Response to Reply #25 |
26. me too |
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Sherman A1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-19-11 03:01 PM Response to Reply #2 |
22. Precisely |
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Fearless (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-19-11 03:41 PM Response to Reply #2 |
27. +1000 |
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napoleon_in_rags (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-19-11 02:16 PM Response to Original message |
7. I agree. Its all about independence, sustainability. |
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randr (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-19-11 02:17 PM Response to Original message |
8. In order to leave you need somewhere to go |
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Tom Rinaldo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-19-11 02:21 PM Response to Reply #8 |
11. True. Which is one reason why I am not now leaving the Democrats |
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MikeMc (636 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-20-11 02:15 PM Response to Reply #11 |
53. Rainbow Coalition Dems. |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-19-11 02:18 PM Response to Original message |
10. Since the Democratic Party started its super PAC |
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BzaDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-19-11 03:42 PM Response to Reply #10 |
28. The vast majority of progressives would disagree with you. n/t |
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Tom Rinaldo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-20-11 11:14 AM Response to Reply #10 |
34. The aspect of the Democratic Party we need to abandon is loyalty to it |
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Zax2me (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-19-11 02:23 PM Response to Original message |
12. Hell, progressives ARE the democratic party. |
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SDuderstadt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-19-11 02:24 PM Response to Reply #12 |
13. "Democratic Party"... |
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Tom Rinaldo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-19-11 02:25 PM Response to Reply #12 |
14. The Party structure either fails to get that or |
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divvy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-19-11 03:43 PM Response to Reply #14 |
29. We can all leave by simply not voting ....... how would the tweed hats like that? |
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JDPriestly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-19-11 02:32 PM Response to Original message |
17. I totally agree with the OP. We need to get into our local Democratic Clubs |
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OHdem10 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-19-11 02:42 PM Response to Original message |
20. Have we not and do not now operate free of the the Party??? |
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Warpy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-19-11 02:52 PM Response to Original message |
21. Progressives *will* leave the Democratic Party--but not yet. |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-19-11 03:20 PM Response to Reply #21 |
24. They have no reason not to be "complacent" now |
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peacetalksforall (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-19-11 03:18 PM Response to Original message |
23. There is Democratic Party leadership and there are Democratic citizens. That is where the |
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AnOhioan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-19-11 03:47 PM Response to Original message |
30. The Democratic Party has made it clear.... |
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kentuck (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-19-11 03:52 PM Response to Original message |
31. When the progressives lead... |
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canoeist52 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-19-11 04:01 PM Response to Original message |
32. Of course all this assumes a vote that is properly and LEAGLY counted. |
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Armstead (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-20-11 11:24 AM Response to Original message |
36. I think progressives should have an implicit ongoing theat to leave the Democratic Party |
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Tom Rinaldo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-20-11 11:44 AM Response to Reply #36 |
38. Yes, and more pressure is needed in two forms |
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Fumesucker (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-20-11 11:27 AM Response to Original message |
37. Progressives *can't* leave the Democratic party.. |
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kctim (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-20-11 12:00 PM Response to Original message |
39. I like the idea |
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Tom Rinaldo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-20-11 12:08 PM Response to Reply #39 |
40. Self identified Progressives, yes |
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liberalmuse.com (48 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-20-11 12:32 PM Response to Original message |
41. Well said! |
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Tom Rinaldo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-20-11 12:56 PM Response to Reply #41 |
43. I think real people can self fund a real movement |
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liberalmuse.com (48 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-20-11 01:04 PM Response to Reply #43 |
44. Shall we call it... |
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Tom Rinaldo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-20-11 01:14 PM Response to Reply #44 |
46. Movements start taking shape when a chord is struck that large numbers of people respond to. |
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felix_numinous (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-20-11 12:36 PM Response to Original message |
42. Movements can change parties from within- |
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Tom Rinaldo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-20-11 01:23 PM Response to Reply #42 |
47. I agree with you about people's movements |
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Tom Rinaldo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-20-11 01:05 PM Response to Original message |
45. In short we need to go over the Democrats heads directly to the people |
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SlicerDicer- (311 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-20-11 01:44 PM Response to Original message |
48. I have already abandoned the democratic party |
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Tom Rinaldo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-20-11 02:01 PM Response to Reply #48 |
52. I understand |
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MikeMc (636 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-20-11 02:29 PM Response to Reply #48 |
55. By 'person who makes the worst possible decisions', I guess you mean a |
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Jakes Progress (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-20-11 01:54 PM Response to Original message |
51. Yep. We need to wrest our party from the cold, unemployed hands of the NeoDems. |
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Taverner (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-20-11 02:19 PM Response to Original message |
54. I don't think they will. But a better 'Take back our party' movement is really needed about now |
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MikeMc (636 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-20-11 02:36 PM Response to Original message |
56. Sorry Tom. |
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Tom Rinaldo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-21-11 11:49 AM Response to Original message |
57. Move On is Going There |
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MikeMc (636 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-21-11 10:50 PM Response to Reply #57 |
58. Push Barack and the Dems to help. PS |
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loyalsister (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-21-11 11:11 PM Response to Original message |
59. Beyond that... |
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Tom Rinaldo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-22-11 12:48 AM Response to Reply #59 |
60. That makes sense |
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loyalsister (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-22-11 12:24 PM Response to Reply #60 |
61. Pick candidates |
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