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NNN0LHI Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-24-11 10:27 AM
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Were you ever told where the term Al-Qaida originated from?
http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2005/jul/08/july7.development

The struggle against terrorism cannot be won by military means

The G8 must seize the opportunity to address the wider issues at the root of such atrocities

Robin Cook
The Guardian, Friday 8 July 2005 15.00 BST

<snip>Bin Laden was, though, a product of a monumental miscalculation by western security agencies. Throughout the 80s he was armed by the CIA and funded by the Saudis to wage jihad against the Russian occupation of Afghanistan. Al-Qaida, literally "the database", was originally the computer file of the thousands of mujahideen who were recruited and trained with help from the CIA to defeat the Russians. Inexplicably, and with disastrous consequences, it never appears to have occurred to Washington that once Russia was out of the way, Bin Laden's organisation would turn its attention to the west.

The danger now is that the west's current response to the terrorist threat compounds that original error. So long as the struggle against terrorism is conceived as a war that can be won by military means, it is doomed to fail. The more the west emphasises confrontation, the more it silences moderate voices in the Muslim world who want to speak up for cooperation. Success will only come from isolating the terrorists and denying them support, funds and recruits, which means focusing more on our common ground with the Muslim world than on what divides us.

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Davis_X_Machina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-24-11 10:36 AM
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1. Hundreds of times...
..every time Bush made a reference to his 'base', the trope got used, at least on here.

Became tiresome after a while, honestly.
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MADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-24-11 10:39 AM
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2. Amusing theory, but I don't think it has basis in fact.
I don't dispute that there was a "database" but I don't think the organizational name came from that fact.
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Recursion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-24-11 10:48 AM
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3. They only started calling themselves that after the media did
Kind of like how people in the mafia don't use that word. I mean, sure, they sat around saying "wouldn't it be great if we had a permanent base somewhere?", but from what I've read they just call it "that thing we do" (which, oddly enough, is what the mobsters say too).
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CJCRANE Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-24-11 11:12 AM
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6. AFAIK that is exactly how the experts/pundits came up with that name
or at least part of the explanation. The other being that Bin Laden's training camp was the "base" of operations.
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Blue Owl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-24-11 10:57 AM
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4. Dick Cheney's bathroom
n/t
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leveymg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-24-11 11:00 AM
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5. Arabic translation for "The [Data]Base" or "The List", alternative is "The Foundation"
Edited on Fri Jun-24-11 11:46 AM by leveymg
UBL was "our man" in Kandahar for a long time after the Soviets evacuated Kabul. For years, Al-Qaeda operatives were constantly being moved in and out of the United States on "CIA visas." Al-Qaeda was a joint CIA-Saudi General Intelligence Division (GID) operation from the beginning until 9/11. After the Soviet withdrawal from Afghanistan, both agencies worked together to destabilize and seize control the oil-rich Trans-Caucasus and Caspian Sea regions of the Former Soviet Union.

Even after George Tenet openly declared "all-out war" again bin Laden in '97, the organization was so riddled with double-agents and provocateurs that it was not unusual for known al-Qaeda terrorists to be given visas and admitted into the U.S. This is how the 9/11 hijackers were let in - it was routine. They were still on "the list", either as doubles or as persons under (loose, third-party surveillance) so they got visas and admitted, even without proper visas. Just the way the game got played.

Al-Qaeda may have been terrorists, but they were "our" terrorists. See, http://www.dailykos.com/story/2009/12/04/810764/-Erik-Prince:-American-Bin-LadenCIA-Asset,-MoneyGunmen

Alternative explanation for the origin (inspiration) for the term is here: http://www.guardian.co.uk/books/2002/aug/24/alqaida.sciencefictionfantasyandhorror

In October last year, an item appeared on an authoritative Russian studies website that soon had the science-fiction community buzzing with speculative excitement. It asserted that Isaac Asimov's 1951 classic Foundation was translated into Arabic under the title "al-Qaida". And it seemed to have the evidence to back up its claims. "This peculiar coincidence would be of little interest if not for abundant parallels between the plot of Asimov's book and the events unfolding now," wrote Dmitri Gusev, the scientist who posted the article. He was referring to apparent similarities between the plot of Foundation and the pursuit of the organisation we have come to know, perhaps erroneously, as al-Qaida.

The Arabic word qaida - ordinarily meaning "base" or "foundation" - is also used for "groundwork" and "basis". It is employed in the sense of a military or naval base, and for chemical formulae and geometry: the base of a pyramid, for example. Lane, the best Arab-English lexicon, gives these senses: foundation, basis of a house; the supporting columns or poles of a structure; the lower parts of clouds extending across a horizon; a universal or general rule or canon. With the coming of the computer age, it has gained the further meaning of "database": qaida ma'lumat (information base).

Qaida itself comes from the root verb q-'-d : to sit down, remain, stay, abide. Many people appear to think al-Qaida's name emerged from some idea of a physical base - a command centre from where Bin Laden and other leaders could direct operations. "We've got to get back to al-Qaida on that one," it's possible to imagine a footsoldier saying. Bin Laden himself has spoken, post-September 11, of being in "a very safe place". There have also been stories that his father had a vernal estate called al-Qaida in Yemen or Saudi Arabia. Could there be a sense in which the name of the organisation represents a notion of the eternal home in the consciousness of its fugitive leader?

On the surface, the most improbable explanation of the name is that Bin Laden was somehow inspired by a Russian-born writer who lived most of his life in the US and was once the world's most prolific sci-fi novelist (born in 1920 in Smolensk, Asimov died in New York in 1992). But the deeper you dig, the more plausible it seems that al-Qaida's founders may have borrowed some rhetoric from Foundation and its successors (it became a series) and possibly from other science fiction material.

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Warpy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-24-11 11:13 AM
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7. Baloney, it means "the base," no data implied
However,the conclusion is sound. It's a criminal organization like any other and the only way to fight it is through meticulous police work and international cooperation, not by attacking whole countries with the full force of the military.

Improving relations with Islamic countries is also a good idea, instead of propping up vicious dictator after vicious dictator just to keep the oil flowing cheaply.
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CJCRANE Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-24-11 11:16 AM
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8. I'm not so sure. Many of the operatives left the physical base
and went back to their own countries, hence the idea of the list, basically a rolodex of operatives that could be called upon.
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Warpy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-24-11 11:19 AM
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9. That doesn't imply there is no database of operatives
It just means that isn't what "al qaeda" means.
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mistertrickster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-24-11 12:14 PM
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10. More specifically, Bin Laden attacked "the West" after the US refused to pull out of Arabia
Edited on Fri Jun-24-11 12:19 PM by mistertrickster
as promised.

Sec'ry of War, Dick Cheney (under Geo. H. W. Bush) said, "our troops won't be there a day more than necessary" (to protect Arabia from Iraq).

He lied.

On edit--after the attacks on the World Trade Center (1993), the Khobar Towers, the Embassies in Africa, the Bojinka plot, the New Years Eve 2000 plot, and finally the World Trade Center again, the Bush administration quietly withdrew all US troops from Arabia.

In effect, the terrorists won. They got what they wanted.
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