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TomCADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-25-11 10:45 PM
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"Bachmann, Santorum, Romney, Gingrich, Pawlenty Support Gay Marriage Ban"
Edited on Sat Jun-25-11 11:08 PM by TomCADem
I guess our celebration of the passage of the NY Bill may be short lived if the Republican front runners win the White House, and follow through with their pledge...

http://www.ontopmag.com/article.aspx?id=8653&MediaType=1&Category=26


Minnesota Rep. Michele Bachmann, former Pennsylvania Senator Rick Santorum, former Minnesota Governor Tim Pawlenty, former Massachusetts Governor Mitt Romney and former House Speaker Newt Gingrich support a federal amendment defining marriage as between a man and a woman, thereby blocking gay and lesbian couples from marrying and overturning the laws in five states where the institution is legal.

The presidential candidates reiterated their support for such an amendment during Monday night's GOP debate in New Hampshire.

Bachmann appeared to give a contradictory response – simultaneously saying she supports a state's right to make such decisions, then adding she supports altering the U.S. Constitution.

“I do believe in the 10th amendment and I do believe in self-determination for the states,” she said, then later added that she doesn't “see that it's the role of a president to go into states and interfere with their state laws.”

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CaliforniaPeggy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-25-11 10:53 PM
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1. I don't think they have any chance of altering the Constitution.
It is devilishly difficult to do.

They can talk all they want, and they will...

They'll use the topic to stir the voters up.

This is not going anywhere.

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Pisces Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-25-11 10:57 PM
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2. Some on this board openly advocate against Obama. I guess this option would be much better.
Obama needs to be reelected in order to complete the work he has started.
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dbackjon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-26-11 12:20 AM
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4. No - they don't
But some of us want a President that is COMMITTED to full equality for all Americans.

And yes, we are going to criticize anyone, like Obama, that is not.


That doesn't mean we are advocating against electing a Democrat in 2012.


I want a Democrat in 2012 in the White House, but I want one that believes that I am immediately deserving of full equality
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Pisces Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-26-11 11:35 AM
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6. Obama does believe in full equality, he also needs to be reelected to complete the work he has begun
Ending DADT and the long list of things he has done for the GLBT community is the start of his work. Obama is governing, I know we haven't seen what this looks like in a long time so it is hard to
recognize when we see it.

Obama will be reelected and he will finish what he started.
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dbackjon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-26-11 12:12 PM
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7. No, you are delusional if you think that
He is NOT for gay marriage, and he is NOT for a federal solution. Those are the ONLY things that will bring full equality.


Obama's past opposition to equality has hurt the GLBT community more than the baby steps that have been taken.


Are you married?
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Pisces Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-26-11 01:42 PM
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8. The only delusional person here is you if you truly believe Obama has hurt the GLBT community.
This is FOX like disinformation. He got the military to agree with the ending of DADT!!! If you think that was a small baby step you are dreaming. DADT was done when everyone except Obama thought
it was a dead deal.

Ending DOMA will be his next move, thereby making it a federal law that Gay Marriages done in the 6 states it is allowed must be recognized by the other states regardless of their current laws.

Big cowboy talk is cheap, actually getting things done is what matters at the end of the day. What people want is some rabid liberal that shouts from the rooftops their beliefs and makes the right choke
on the new laws. They want BUSH in a democrat. How ridiculous. When Obama is done and they analyze how much he was able to do it will astound people.

You are past convincing or thinking with an open mind. I understand that you want your rights now everywhere and that is all that matters. I don't blame you, but don't cut your nose off to spite your face. Obama still has to deal with 50% of the population that is ignorant, and he has to win some of those ignorant fools over to win the day where he can actually make a difference for you and millions of others.
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dsc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-26-11 01:49 PM
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9. the fact is if gay activists hadn't pushed him
via the protests at his speeches among other things, he would have put off DADT repeal to 2011 which would have doomed it. It got done because in the final analysis it was the only positive thing Obama could get done in the lame duck period. He couldn't get the budget passed which opened up the time. He did refuse the deal to get the START treaty done if he kept DADT and the Dream Act from being voted on and for that he deserves credit. But left purely to his own devices DADT would have not been repealed.
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dbackjon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-26-11 01:58 PM
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11. Exactly. Only by being called to the carpet did he act
Only because he wants gay money for his re-election.


Obama has done more to show that he doesn't care about equality, from the earliest days of his campaign, than he has done to show he is committed to equality.


But the blind Obama supporters can't see that - the have to defend him at any costs. But then again, it is not their rights that are unequal.
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Pisces Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-26-11 02:19 PM
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12. I do not discredit what role activist have played in the movement. I am saying some credit must
be given to the President. He has said from day 1 that it takes the people to make things change in Washington. He is not a King who can wave his sceptor.

I guess my take on it is you could have screamed until you were blue in the face, marched and torched things with a Republican President none of these things would have been passed.

Is anything ever enough, NO, but Obama has given a good start to full equality and I can see that and will continue to support our democratic candidate and know that there is more change to come in the future. Does he need our dollars, yes, because the Repugs are well funded.

There is no Repub candidate that will advance the gay agenda, the goal is to win and I think people need to remember who the enemy is and how we can attain common goals. it is not by blaming
Obama or defeating Obama. It is by supporting the candidate that has done a lot and will do more in the future.
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TomCADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-26-11 03:04 PM
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13. When is a politician not pushed by activists? Look at the Tea Party...
...which is turn organized by Astroturf groups like Freedom Works. Politicians rarely ever lead movements. Even Abraham Lincoln intially tried to compromise on slavery to avoid the Civil War.
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dbackjon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-26-11 01:55 PM
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10. His opposition to gay marriage was used in the Prop 8 campaign
DADT is still the law of the land. A real advocate would have gotten it eliminated the first 100 days of his term.


Again, are you married?
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David Gill Donating Member (183 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-25-11 11:48 PM
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3. A President can't stop this
An anti-gay rights President? You mean like George W. Bush??

They weren't able to pass a gay marriage amendment then, they're even less likely to pass it now with the way demographics are shifting in this country!
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Renew Deal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-26-11 12:22 AM
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5. A president can't get an amendment passed
And there aren't 66 senators that would vote for it.
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Unvanguard Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-26-11 03:24 PM
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14. There is not a snowball's chance in Hell of the FMA passing.
It's more possible that a Republican president might reinstate DADT, but (1) this is in part a consequence of the compromise Obama made with the military, which stripped out the anti-discrimination language from the statutory repeal, and (2) even that seems pretty unlikely to me after repeal has been in effect for over a year.
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TheKentuckian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-26-11 03:37 PM
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15. Not very plausible. Even if they could locate 66 or 67 Senators, they couldn't get it through the
states.
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