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proud2BlibKansan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-26-11 10:55 AM
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Experts challenge Home Depot building design, codes after Joplin tornado

DAVID EULITT
With pieces of its damaged roof draped over debris, Home Depot in Joplin, Mo., lay in ruins after an EF-5 tornado swept through the city’s central core on May 22.

By MIKE McGRAW

The Kansas City Star

JOPLIN, Mo. | As the monster tornado bore down on them, Rusty Howard and his two small children sought refuge in a Home Depot store.

But instead the young father, the children and four other people died when the roof came off and the walls came down, crushing them beneath a 100,000-pound concrete panel.

Within seconds the entire structure collapsed in a heap of concrete slabs, metal trusses and roofing. At least 28 other people survived, huddled in an un-reinforced training room in the back of the building.

Rescue workers found Howard with an arm wrapped around each child.



Read more: http://www.kansascity.com/2011/06/25/2975177/experts-challenge-building-design.html#ixzz1QOjkse00


What happened at Home Depot: http://media.kansascity.com/smedia/2011/06/25/23/10/uUpPY.So.81.pdf
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dixiegrrrrl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-26-11 11:00 AM
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1. jeez.....those poor people and that brave father.
:cry: :cry:
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Liberal Veteran Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-26-11 11:00 AM
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2. It was certainly worth a shot, but it's not exactly an ideal setting.
Edited on Sun Jun-26-11 11:01 AM by Liberal Veteran
When I think of all the things in Home Depot that could become missiles (hammers, stacks of 2x4, nails, screwdrivers, etc.) it seems like one of the last places I would want to take refuge if I had any choice.

My heart goes out to those folks.
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proud2BlibKansan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-26-11 11:03 AM
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3. Not sure what I would do
Driving down the street and an F5 tornado is coming - seems like the nearest large building is not such a bad idea :shrug:
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Liberal Veteran Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-26-11 11:09 AM
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5. True. It was certainly better than trying to ride it out in the car.
I hope no one thinks I was being snide in my observation.
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Webster Green Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-26-11 11:14 AM
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6. The nearest ditch or low lying area would be better.
But if an F5 finds you for a direct hit, you're likely fucked no matter where you are.
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scarletwoman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-26-11 11:07 AM
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4. OMG! I didn't know about those deaths in the Home Depot store! Yes, investigate, definitely!
I have to admit that I wasn't following the stories out of Joplin very closely, due to the tornado that hit Minneapolis (my longtime home before I moved to the country) right around the same time.

Do you know if there are local building codes that take tornados into account? It doesn't sound like the Home Depot building was designed for tornado country.

sw
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Liberal Veteran Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-26-11 11:16 AM
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8. You would think building codes would be pretty strict, however..
...I live in an area with heavy snow now and we had a few buildings (including a grocery store) that had their roofs collapse during a particularly bad winter.

A lot of larger contracting companies around here tend to be of the republican "too much regulation" ilk.

It's things like this that remind us that regulations can be a hassle, but also save lives.
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laundry_queen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-26-11 11:21 AM
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9. Any large building with a large roof span
is one of the worst places to be in a tornado. That's like tornado safety 101. Stay out of gymnasiums, large box stores, warehouses and the like. I don't blame these people however - it's instinct to find a building when a tornado is coming. Plus, not much would protect them from an EF-5 anyhow. Only an underground shelter or a basement will help you survive in that instance. Anything else is playing Russian roulette. Likely these people didn't have that choice so they did the best they could. I still maintain that all public buildings in tornado alley have a safe room or a basement as a building *requirement*. I have no idea if any of these places have such codes in place, but from what I've heard, I doubt they do. They should, it should be law.
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scarletwoman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-26-11 11:50 AM
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14. "..all public buildings in tornado alley have a safe room or a basement as a building *requirement*"
I totally agree. The large public building where I work has a basement as well as having been built to withstand most tornados (don't know about an EF-5, they're pretty rare).

It's incredibly irresponsible to not provide for public safety in a public building.

sw
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madrchsod Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-26-11 11:16 AM
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7. they are big barns
Edited on Sun Jun-26-11 11:17 AM by madrchsod
these buildings are not made to withstand a tornado. hell the walmart roofs around here collapsed under the weight of snow. the problem? bad welds by scab labor..the fix? union welders.
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Liberal_in_LA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-26-11 02:18 PM
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21. barns or large storage sheds, Definitely not built for the ages.
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dixiegrrrrl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-26-11 11:24 AM
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10. Related: an incredibly well written and moving account of what happened at the Joplin Hospital
during the tornado.

The writer's email address is at bottom of page, I wrote him, praising this article..it is quite excellent.

http://www.kansascity.com/2011/06/18/2959600/condition-gray-inside-the-hospital.html
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localroger Donating Member (663 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-26-11 11:59 AM
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17. Thanks for that link, dixiegrrrl
You're right, that is an incredibly moving account.
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obxhead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-26-11 11:27 AM
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11. I wonder why this story targets Home Dept by name?
Granted there were deaths there. However the headline leads one to think Home Depot's are built differently than other large structures. As a builder this is simply not the case. Many structures are built in the exact same way. Best Buy, Staples, Lowes, the list could go on and on and on.
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proud2BlibKansan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-26-11 11:53 AM
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15. Because people died there
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Historic NY Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-26-11 11:33 AM
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12. Any "Big Box" isn't safe.........that also includes school & govt. buildings...
unless they build them to withstand every weather circumstance.
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onethatcares Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-26-11 11:41 AM
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13. very simply, look at the cross bracing of the beams and supports
spacing is always a factor and x bracing should be used fairly often to prevent collapse along with a solid brace in the front and rear of the storefronts.

it costs a lot more to add that much steel.
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Shagbark Hickory Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-26-11 11:53 AM
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16. Dur. 4 cbs walls piled 24 feet high and a tin roof isn't very strong?
:sarcasm:
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Xithras Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-26-11 01:25 PM
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18. Here in California, these are pretty standard nowadays
We're even building schools using this method. Many engineers (including my wifes uncle, who builds the damned things) will tell you that they will NOT survive a major earthquake. The structures have very little flex, and remain rigid right up until the load limits of the corner braces are exceeded. Once that happens, the box loses its rigidity and the walls simply fall over...and it's a coinflip as to whether they fall inward or outward.

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proud2BlibKansan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-26-11 01:57 PM
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19. Here's another interesting picture:
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Bryn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-26-11 02:08 PM
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20. Interesting! Looks like it was made of crackerbox
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