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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-26-11 06:19 PM
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Can this possibly be true? U.S. spends $20 billion a year on air conditioning in Iraq and
Afghanistan.

The amount the U.S. military spends annually on air conditioning in Iraq and Afghanistan: $20.2 billion.

That's more than NASA's budget. It's more than BP has paid so far for damage during the Gulf oil spill. It's what the G-8 has pledged to help foster new democracies in Egypt and Tunisia.

"When you consider the cost to deliver the fuel to some of the most isolated places in the world — escorting, command and control, medevac support — when you throw all that infrastructure in, we're talking over $20 billion," Steven Anderson tells weekends on All Things Considered guest host Rachel Martin. Anderson is a retired brigadier general who served as Gen. David Patreaus' chief logistician in Iraq.


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http://www.npr.org/2011/06/25/137414737/among-the-costs-of-war-20b-in-air-conditioning?ps=cprs

Insane.
Why does it cost so much?
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valerief Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-26-11 06:21 PM
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1. Because the most important thing in the world is to make rich people richer.
Rich people are 20 billion dollars richer thanks to our administration and congress pissing away our tax revenue.
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CarmanK Donating Member (459 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-26-11 06:22 PM
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2. Sure, it is. The privateers are making bank on this WAR!!
And our soldiers cannot be in 125 degree temperature. After all, their uniforms are not made for the desert.
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Divine Discontent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-26-11 06:23 PM
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3. I believe it. to keep hundreds of thousands of troops & contractors cool in the 100+ temps...
the costs of war are so immense...

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kath Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-26-11 06:23 PM
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4. And we can't pay for heating costs for the poor in the winter.
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JonLP24 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-26-11 06:24 PM
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5. It is EASILY true
AC is powered by generators, almost everything in bases is powered by generators. There are generators all over that have to be refilled by gas.
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AlabamaLibrul Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-26-11 06:33 PM
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9. The same gas we've found costs about $400 a gallon all-in to get to a person on the ground there n/t
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tekisui Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-26-11 06:25 PM
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6. It costs so much because it is so hot there and there are so many
troops to keep cool.

All the more reason to get the hell out.
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panader0 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-26-11 06:26 PM
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7. Around 100 degrees here today, 105 yesterday
I use a "swamp box" style cooler. It woorks pretty good, gets chilly at night. I turn it on at the beginning of June and leave it on 24/7 for three months. A lot cheaper than refrigeration. But sometimes I think about it...
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jmowreader Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-26-11 06:29 PM
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8. You know why it costs so much.
We're paying Halliburton employees $85,000 per year to drive truckloads of diesel to the base camps, when we could have gotten Army privates to do that for a quarter the cost.

We're paying Halliburton employees $85,000 per year to put the diesel in generators and operate the machinery, when sergeants have always operated generators and environmental control equipment (this isn't the first war we've been in that required heated or air conditioned tents) as part of their duties.

We're paying other Halliburton employees $85,000 per year to maintain the generators and air conditioners, when every unit over there has a motor pool that contains Ol Sarge, the master mechanic, who'd keep those things humming for no more than we pay him already.

And we're probably paying Halliburton $40 per gallon for the fuel, even though you can go to any truck stop in Iraq and get it for a dollar a gallon, if that, and the Iraqi truck stop owners would welcome the business.

I would say, as a rough estimate, that at least $19 billion of that $20 billion can be attributed to GOP-sanctioned extortion by Dick Cheney's old company, and I would really love to know how much of that was kicked back to the White House.
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WHEN CRABS ROAR Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-26-11 06:40 PM
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12. Always follow the money. Right back to the top.
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NYC_SKP Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-26-11 06:33 PM
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10. "1,000 troops have died in fuel convoys", What percentage of the total dead is that?
What percentage just to bring fuel to this mess?
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jmowreader Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-26-11 08:46 PM
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20. About a fifth
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spooked911 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-26-11 06:39 PM
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11. we need to get our troops the fuck out of there now
Edited on Sun Jun-26-11 06:40 PM by spooked911
and down-size the military.

unfortunately, coming from NPR, right-wingers are just going to write it off as propaganda
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WHEN CRABS ROAR Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-26-11 06:45 PM
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13. Majority of citizens agree with your views.
Now how do we force the issue?
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spooked911 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-26-11 06:50 PM
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16. this is one way
http://october2011.org/

I really want to go, but haven't committed yet
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WHEN CRABS ROAR Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-26-11 07:05 PM
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18. I cannot go, But I have been living by that pledge of nonviolence.
And I wholeheartedly support the action.
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spooked911 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-26-11 06:48 PM
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15. but talk about sickening priorities
think of what decent, worthwhile, helpful programs we could fund with $20 billion
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Ernesto Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-26-11 06:45 PM
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14. Hey where the F**k was my air conditioning in Nam???? nt
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CrispyQ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-26-11 07:01 PM
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17. My husband read an article a few years ago about air conditioned tents in Afghanistan.
TENTS! How much does that cost?
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hlthe2b Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-26-11 07:30 PM
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19. Gee, however did we win WWIII and fight in N. Africa without AC
But, no, I have no trouble believing we spend that much... NPR did a story on this and the cost of trying to transport fuel through Pakistan into Afghanistan. It was shocking what a gallon of gas or other fuel eventually costs us to supply this gargantuan military machine.
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