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stockholmer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-28-11 09:32 AM
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Live Streams From Athens Riots, Situation in Syntagma Square Being Described As Worse Than 15 June
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Imajika Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-28-11 09:40 AM
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1. The "austerity" measures are still going to pass...
The socialist government has the votes to pass the package.

This is all just street theater leading up to an already determined outcome.
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stockholmer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-28-11 09:51 AM
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3. and that, unfortunately, puts a possible civil war scenario front and center
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Imajika Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-28-11 10:22 AM
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4. I don't think that will be the outcome...
I think instead what your seeing is protestors and unions consistently fail to stop any of these "austerity" programs, and it looks to me that while the Greek public is deeply unhappy with "austerity" they are going to tough it out and go along with it.

The French unions pulled out all the stops to stop the right wing French government from raising the retirement age and failed miserably. The unions in the UK have so far failed to stop "austerity" and it doesn't look to me like they will have much impact going forward. The unions in the US are under attack everywhere and losing more and more ground almost daily.

I think what we are seeing from all this is that the influence organized workers once had is waning fairly quickly. The question is, how and when will we reverse this trend.
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socialist_n_TN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-28-11 10:51 AM
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5. We WON'T reverse this trend...........
Greece is just like the rest of the world. NONE of the bourgeoisie political parties (and I include the KKE in this characterization) will go against "austerity". With them it's just a matter of degree.

Extra electoral remedies are the only thing that will work. The political parties can't even CONCIEVE of any other outcome, BUT austerity.
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blindpig Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-28-11 11:34 AM
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7. You're dead wrong.

As per the French, do you think that is the end of the story? These things build upon them selves, the French people are hardly done yet.

It is this aggressiveness of Capital which is and will continue to revitalize working class organization for self defense. The Greeks are on the front line, fighting for the working class. If they are beaten the bankers will come for the rest of us. And that too will generate pushback, we must fight, they leave us no choice.
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socialist_n_TN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-28-11 01:35 PM
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10. Correct. Revolutionary situations ALWAYS build
ESPECIALLY when the capitalists don't back off. And they're not backing off because they're not SCARED enough. But the more advantage they take, the more the people see through their avarice and greed.

This might, or might not, be a revolutionary situation, but make no mistake, a revolutionary situation WILL come sooner or later. Do you think that the Greek people will just accept IMF/ECB imposed "austerity" without any more actions? No, it will just build from here.

The BEST recruiters for Marxism are the capitalists themselves.
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blindpig Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-28-11 02:20 PM
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11. Next time, we don't stop at 'scare'...

next time, no half measures.
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socialist_n_TN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-28-11 06:18 PM
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12. We can only hope. Because scaring them into
"reforms" doesn't work for the long term. We're witnessing the end result of the last round of "reforms" right now. The capitalists only "reform", so they can take it back as soon as they can.
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Matariki Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-28-11 11:36 AM
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8. Or perhaps they'll be convinced to hang their hope on upcoming (to be stolen) elections.
As in Wisconsin.
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iemitsu Donating Member (524 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-28-11 09:44 AM
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2. wow! i wish that americans would stand up for themselves
like this. we just allow neo-liberal policies to destroy our lives without a peep.
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socialist_n_TN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-28-11 11:08 AM
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6. BTW, be careful Louk
:)
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Starry Messenger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-28-11 11:40 AM
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9. Why are these actions being characterized as "riots"?
These are planned and highly organized strikes. This is the second OP I've seen using the word "riot". It's just odd. From what I've seen, the violence is coming from the police and their little street theater with "anarchists" who are probably cops too.
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socialist_n_TN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-29-11 10:06 AM
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13. Kick. Because I want to keep up
:) And it's easier to do if this is on the front page.
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