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Liberal_in_LA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-28-11 04:35 PM Original message |
"Spanking" is a special word. If the act was done to an adult, it would be called hitting, slapping |
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Zen Democrat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-28-11 04:37 PM Response to Original message |
1. Back in the day, kids got belt whippings. Many things have gotten better. |
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Cleita (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-29-11 02:31 PM Response to Reply #1 |
161. I remember friends of mine getting the belt. |
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Cali_Democrat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-01-11 03:31 PM Response to Reply #161 |
230. Buckle side or leather only side? |
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derby378 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-30-11 06:46 PM Response to Reply #1 |
193. Back in the day, a man could rape his wife AND his kids... |
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originalpckelly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-28-11 04:37 PM Response to Original message |
2. Who spanks a two year old anyway? |
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Liberal_in_LA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-28-11 04:38 PM Response to Reply #2 |
5. lots of people hit 2 year olds. |
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Devil_Fish (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-28-11 11:24 PM Response to Reply #5 |
88. my daughter is almost two, and I can't imagine any reason to hit her. ever. NT |
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WatsonT (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-28-11 04:50 PM Response to Reply #2 |
13. You can't put adults in time-out without their consent |
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awoke_in_2003 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-28-11 05:42 PM Response to Reply #13 |
29. Growing up... |
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customerserviceguy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-28-11 06:07 PM Response to Reply #13 |
33. They put adults in time-out all the time |
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sudopod (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-28-11 09:57 PM Response to Reply #33 |
46. Implying child abuse isn't more of an issue than being spoiled is within poor communities. nt |
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vanlassie (826 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-28-11 10:38 PM Response to Reply #33 |
71. Right. All those guys in prision, if they had ONLY been spanked.... |
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Luminous Animal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-28-11 11:30 PM Response to Reply #33 |
91. Actually, prisons are full of people who have been physically abused. And yes, spanking is physical |
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WatsonT (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-29-11 08:11 AM Response to Reply #33 |
119. delete |
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Dappleganger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-28-11 09:37 PM Response to Reply #2 |
39. Tons of parents do it... |
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Lionessa (842 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-28-11 04:38 PM Response to Original message |
3. How entirely ridiculous. |
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LiberalAndProud (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-28-11 04:38 PM Response to Original message |
4. That was not a spanking. |
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Liberal_in_LA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-28-11 04:40 PM Response to Reply #4 |
6. correction: "I quick hit to a toddler's diapered behind" Call it what it is |
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LiberalAndProud (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-28-11 04:50 PM Response to Reply #6 |
14. A hit causes pain. |
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Pithlet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-28-11 09:24 PM Response to Reply #14 |
35. If it doesn't cause pain, then what is the point? |
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pipi_k (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-29-11 09:33 AM Response to Reply #35 |
133. "People spank because it hurts..." |
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The Doctor. (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-28-11 10:32 PM Response to Reply #6 |
67. I used to 'spank' my kids for going into their mother's purse. |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-29-11 08:20 AM Response to Reply #67 |
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pipi_k (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-29-11 09:57 AM Response to Reply #67 |
135. What's interesting about this account... |
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The Doctor. (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-29-11 01:13 PM Response to Reply #135 |
150. When in doubt, just make stuff up? |
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pipi_k (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-29-11 02:20 PM Response to Reply #150 |
157. Really? What's "made up"? |
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The Doctor. (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-29-11 08:28 PM Response to Reply #157 |
164. It must be wonderful to know so much about a situation you've never been acquainted with. |
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pipi_k (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-30-11 02:33 PM Response to Reply #164 |
184. OK then... |
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MouseFitzgerald (208 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-01-11 01:16 AM Response to Reply #67 |
206. Holy shit |
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Commie Pinko Dirtbag (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-01-11 10:30 PM Response to Reply #67 |
239. So, your wife was on drugs and you took it out on your children. Nice. |
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DesMoinesDem (90 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-29-11 09:32 AM Response to Reply #6 |
132. That is what spanking is. Look it up in the dictionary. |
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alcibiades_mystery (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-28-11 05:09 PM Response to Reply #4 |
23. What's hard about this? |
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The Doctor. (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-28-11 10:41 PM Response to Reply #23 |
75. Yes, it would seem that simple. |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-28-11 10:47 PM Response to Reply #75 |
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Luminous Animal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-28-11 11:40 PM Response to Reply #78 |
96. Absolutely. Like it or not, two year olds need constant attention and stimulation... |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-28-11 11:49 PM Response to Reply #96 |
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Luminous Animal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-29-11 12:39 AM Response to Reply #104 |
110. I have one child... my mother had three. She apologized for spanking me when |
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The Doctor. (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-29-11 11:35 AM Response to Reply #110 |
141. You continue to assume too much. |
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pipi_k (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-29-11 12:20 PM Response to Reply #141 |
144. Oh wow... |
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The Doctor. (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-29-11 12:44 PM Response to Reply #144 |
148. I'm sorry you were abused as a child. |
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pipi_k (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-29-11 02:05 PM Response to Reply #148 |
156. I'm not the one who claimed they were devil children |
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The Doctor. (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-29-11 08:20 PM Response to Reply #156 |
163. What's with you? |
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pipi_k (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-29-11 09:54 PM Response to Reply #163 |
171. Your words |
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The Doctor. (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-29-11 01:29 PM Response to Reply #110 |
154. I also find it very interesting... |
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The Doctor. (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-29-11 11:28 AM Response to Reply #96 |
140. Do you sleep? |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-28-11 11:46 PM Response to Reply #78 |
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The Doctor. (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-29-11 11:23 AM Response to Reply #78 |
139. And what that tells me about you |
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Matariki (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-28-11 09:27 PM Response to Reply #4 |
36. I read the article and nowhere does it say the child was "badly bruised" |
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Pithlet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-28-11 09:45 PM Response to Reply #36 |
42. The hospital inferred something |
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Matariki (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-28-11 09:57 PM Response to Reply #42 |
45. Really? Will you be kind enough to quote that? |
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Pithlet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-28-11 10:06 PM Response to Reply #45 |
51. Gladly. |
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Matariki (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-28-11 10:12 PM Response to Reply #51 |
54. "Red marks" does not equal "badly bruised" |
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Pithlet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-28-11 10:15 PM Response to Reply #54 |
55. Yes. Red marks do not equal bruised. But that doesn't matter. |
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Matariki (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-28-11 10:18 PM Response to Reply #55 |
57. quoting you: |
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Pithlet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-28-11 10:22 PM Response to Reply #57 |
60. Yes. Inferred something. |
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Matariki (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-28-11 10:29 PM Response to Reply #60 |
64. You are reading things into the article that aren't there. |
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Pithlet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-28-11 10:33 PM Response to Reply #64 |
68. Why do you keep bringing up bruises? I never said bruises. |
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Matariki (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-28-11 10:35 PM Response to Reply #68 |
69. You're funny. |
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Pithlet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-28-11 10:39 PM Response to Reply #69 |
72. Yes. I jumped in because I thought it was funny |
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Pithlet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-28-11 10:07 PM Response to Reply #45 |
52. Oh, and for a bonus |
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Matariki (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-28-11 10:21 PM Response to Reply #52 |
59. That was a different child. |
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PoliticAverse (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-28-11 04:40 PM Response to Original message |
7. I respectfully disagree. It's still called spanking when done to an adult. n/t |
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NightWatcher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-28-11 04:48 PM Response to Reply #7 |
11. And in the VIP room at D-lish it costs an extra fifty |
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Obamanaut (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-28-11 04:51 PM Response to Reply #11 |
15. Helga's House of Pain sometimes has a special. nt |
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AngryAmish (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-29-11 08:22 AM Response to Reply #11 |
123. you win the internet for today |
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KittyWampus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-28-11 04:43 PM Response to Original message |
8. Intent and degree have a lot to do with the definitions. |
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WatsonT (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-28-11 04:43 PM Response to Original message |
9. Of course some people go overboard with it and should be punished |
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notadmblnd (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-28-11 05:02 PM Response to Reply #9 |
18. So, a child pays for the parent's inattention with a spanking? |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-28-11 11:37 PM Response to Reply #18 |
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The Doctor. (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-29-11 11:45 AM Response to Reply #115 |
142. Oh my God another 'Ms. Perfect' |
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pipi_k (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-29-11 07:53 AM Response to Reply #94 |
118. Wow...from this story it would appear that |
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The Doctor. (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-29-11 12:30 PM Response to Reply #118 |
145. I'm really seeing self-righteousness bring out the ugly in people around here. |
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pipi_k (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-29-11 01:56 PM Response to Reply #145 |
155. I'll tell you what... |
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The Doctor. (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-29-11 08:52 PM Response to Reply #155 |
167. I know you won't get this, but when someone like you, who knows nothing |
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pipi_k (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-29-11 09:35 PM Response to Reply #167 |
170. I don't think I'm assuming anything, dear... |
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WatsonT (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-29-11 08:13 AM Response to Reply #18 |
120. Yeah that's exactly it. At no point should parents attempt to teach right/wrong behavior to their |
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pipi_k (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-29-11 09:20 AM Response to Reply #120 |
130. Some people need parenting classes, I think... |
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WatsonT (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-29-11 09:27 AM Response to Reply #130 |
131. I think if you look in to it you'll find there are many things that are OK |
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pipi_k (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-29-11 09:44 AM Response to Reply #131 |
134. So what's the age limit? |
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WatsonT (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-29-11 10:03 AM Response to Reply #134 |
136. Someone with dementia cannot learn |
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pipi_k (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-29-11 10:19 AM Response to Reply #136 |
138. OK, first... |
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tularetom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-28-11 04:48 PM Response to Original message |
10. If it was done to some adults it might be called "foreplay" |
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pipi_k (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-28-11 04:49 PM Response to Original message |
12. Any kind of striking, actually... |
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juajen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-28-11 05:02 PM Response to Reply #12 |
19. Time out is good. But, when a child runs out into the street, immediate action |
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pipi_k (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-28-11 05:08 PM Response to Reply #19 |
22. So by the same token... |
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Liberal_in_LA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-28-11 05:29 PM Response to Reply #22 |
27. good analogy. |
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lapislzi (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-29-11 12:33 PM Response to Reply #22 |
146. In both cases, I have yanked, never spanked. |
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notadmblnd (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-28-11 05:26 PM Response to Reply #19 |
25. Again, blame the child for a parents neglect? |
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mcar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-28-11 05:52 PM Response to Reply #19 |
31. My two children, now 24 and 14, |
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pipi_k (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-28-11 05:56 PM Response to Reply #31 |
32. Thank you...there's a ridiculousness about spanking |
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Dappleganger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-28-11 09:43 PM Response to Reply #31 |
41. Well said. |
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Cid_B (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-28-11 10:39 PM Response to Reply #31 |
73. As a note... hitting is absolutely OK... |
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Luminous Animal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-29-11 12:03 AM Response to Reply #73 |
107. Yes. May have through fear of violence. So happy that I raised my child to behave without violence. |
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Cid_B (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-29-11 06:05 AM Response to Reply #107 |
112. That might be the smuggest (most smug??) post I've ever seen on DU |
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Luminous Animal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-29-11 12:43 PM Response to Reply #112 |
147. How in the world do you correlate raising a child without violence TO INDUCE |
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trumad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-29-11 08:26 AM Response to Reply #73 |
125. Hitting another human being is never OK |
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Liberal_in_LA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-29-11 02:28 PM Response to Reply #31 |
159. +1000 |
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Bill McBlueState (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-28-11 10:24 PM Response to Reply #19 |
61. "I don't know many people who ... haven't spanked their children" |
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trumad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-29-11 08:27 AM Response to Reply #61 |
126. Bingo. |
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Devil_Fish (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-28-11 11:32 PM Response to Reply #19 |
92. My daughter is almost two and neither I or my wife have ever hit her.NT |
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Luminous Animal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-28-11 11:58 PM Response to Reply #92 |
106. Nice. Keep it up and you will find that you will never "have" to. It is so easy to |
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Bill McBlueState (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-29-11 09:18 AM Response to Reply #106 |
129. yes! |
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Luminous Animal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-28-11 11:45 PM Response to Reply #19 |
100. I never once abused my child. That is I never once hit my child. That is, I never once spanked my |
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The Doctor. (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-29-11 12:32 AM Response to Reply #19 |
109. Wow... it's almost like you're a parent. |
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trumad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-29-11 08:29 AM Response to Reply #19 |
127. Really---so the crew you hang with spank their kids.. |
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snooper2 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-01-11 11:53 AM Response to Reply #12 |
211. sued, battery, or a good time |
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aikoaiko (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-28-11 04:56 PM Response to Original message |
16. When done to an adult, its called sexxy time. |
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gkhouston (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-28-11 05:01 PM Response to Original message |
17. Wow, it's been a while since we wallowed in this topic. |
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Liberal_in_LA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-28-11 05:28 PM Response to Reply #17 |
26. only if there is a new article regarding the OG |
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Rex (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-28-11 05:03 PM Response to Original message |
20. I got beat with a belt, they called it 'spanking'. |
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Matariki (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-28-11 09:36 PM Response to Reply #20 |
38. Yeah - same here. |
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JonLP24 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-28-11 05:07 PM Response to Original message |
21. I'm glad |
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Kaleva (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-28-11 05:16 PM Response to Original message |
24. Spanking a child in Texas is only illegal when there is injury to the child. |
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awoke_in_2003 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-28-11 05:40 PM Response to Original message |
28. I have never had to do this... |
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Marrah_G (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-28-11 05:45 PM Response to Original message |
30. If it involves only adults it could be called a good time :) |
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kath (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-28-11 09:18 PM Response to Original message |
34. THIS. CHILD. HAD. BRUISES. |
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Matariki (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-28-11 09:32 PM Response to Reply #34 |
37. WHERE does it say the child had bruises? |
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kath (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-28-11 10:39 PM Response to Reply #37 |
74. The child had persistent red marks on her bottom - if it leaves persistent marks, it's abuse. |
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Pithlet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-28-11 10:48 PM Response to Reply #74 |
79. Oh no! Don't say bruises. |
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Matariki (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-29-11 12:58 AM Response to Reply #74 |
111. Where exactly does either article use the word "persistent"? |
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kelly1mm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-28-11 09:57 PM Response to Reply #34 |
44. YOUR. 'FACTS'. ARE.NOT.IN.THE.OP. PERIOD. link????nt |
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Pithlet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-28-11 09:58 PM Response to Reply #44 |
47. OMG SHOUTING AHHHHH n/t |
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kelly1mm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-28-11 10:00 PM Response to Reply #47 |
48. Haha! I thought it was appropriate given the post I replied to. nt |
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Pithlet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-28-11 10:01 PM Response to Reply #34 |
49. Well, you're automatically wrong because |
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Matariki (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-28-11 10:16 PM Response to Reply #49 |
56. Look, I think the Judge did the right thing |
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Pithlet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-28-11 10:18 PM Response to Reply #56 |
58. Bruise. Red mark. Bruise. Red mark. Who cares? |
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Matariki (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-28-11 10:24 PM Response to Reply #58 |
62. If you slap yourself somewhere fleshy it leaves a red mark. |
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Pithlet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-28-11 10:28 PM Response to Reply #62 |
63. Yes, you can know. SHe was taken to a hospital. |
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Matariki (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-28-11 10:31 PM Response to Reply #63 |
66. Not if the grandmother didn't know what caused the marks. |
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Pithlet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-28-11 10:37 PM Response to Reply #66 |
70. I know. Why does anyone go on a message board and dare form an opinion. |
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Matariki (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-28-11 10:44 PM Response to Reply #70 |
76. You don't see the difference between forming an opinion and embellishing facts? |
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Pithlet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-28-11 10:46 PM Response to Reply #76 |
77. But it wasn't filling in facts. |
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Matariki (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-28-11 11:01 PM Response to Reply #77 |
80. Sigh. |
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Pithlet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-28-11 11:05 PM Response to Reply #80 |
81. So we're just imagining that the judge ruled against her? |
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Matariki (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-28-11 11:13 PM Response to Reply #81 |
82. The ruling was for spanking her child - which isn't in question. |
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Pithlet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-28-11 11:17 PM Response to Reply #82 |
84. Yes, which is why this discussion ridiculous to begin with. |
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Matariki (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-28-11 11:17 PM Response to Reply #81 |
83. BTW - here's another article: |
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Pithlet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-28-11 11:19 PM Response to Reply #83 |
86. What is your point? |
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Matariki (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-28-11 11:23 PM Response to Reply #86 |
87. People's reading comprehension, if you'd like to know. |
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Pithlet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-28-11 11:26 PM Response to Reply #87 |
89. Argument as in case. What are you saying? |
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Matariki (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-28-11 11:38 PM Response to Reply #89 |
95. Failure to communicate. |
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Pithlet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-28-11 11:43 PM Response to Reply #95 |
97. I'm sorry. It's just that this is a pet peeve of mine. |
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Matariki (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-28-11 11:48 PM Response to Reply #97 |
103. Okay, well how about this - |
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Pithlet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-28-11 11:53 PM Response to Reply #103 |
105. Yes, but number one, that wasn't the article the other poster responded to |
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Matariki (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-29-11 12:13 AM Response to Reply #105 |
108. See, again with the reading thing. |
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kath (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-28-11 11:18 PM Response to Reply #80 |
85. See my post #74, also "Corporal punishment that injures or leaves marks is excessive and considered |
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Matariki (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-28-11 11:29 PM Response to Reply #85 |
90. Again, I applaud the Judge's ruling. People shouldn't hit or spank kids, imo. |
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Pithlet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-28-11 11:32 PM Response to Reply #90 |
93. People elaborate on what they read? Say it isn't so. |
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Matariki (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-28-11 11:45 PM Response to Reply #93 |
99. People often make "guesses" based on their own prejudices and preconceptions |
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Pithlet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-28-11 11:46 PM Response to Reply #99 |
102. IT's the internet. It's meant to be fun. |
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Dappleganger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-28-11 09:39 PM Response to Original message |
40. The only thing a spanking does is make a parent feel superior. |
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MelungeonWoman (36 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-28-11 10:08 PM Response to Reply #40 |
53. Don't forget stress relief |
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Liberal_in_LA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-29-11 02:27 PM Response to Reply #53 |
158. yup. |
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True Earthling (373 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-28-11 09:55 PM Response to Original message |
43. Every study done on corporal punishment has shown that it leads to aggression.. |
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Liquorice (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-28-11 10:29 PM Response to Reply #43 |
65. Spanking is also linked to lower IQ. I wonder whether that is because parents |
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hobbit709 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-29-11 06:11 AM Response to Reply #65 |
113. I wonder what my IQ would have been without the beatings in that case. |
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WinkyDink (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-29-11 06:49 AM Response to Reply #65 |
117. OFGS. There is no correlation. |
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True Earthling (373 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-29-11 08:24 AM Response to Reply #117 |
124. OFGS? Is that a gut reaction or can you cite a study to back that up? |
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Liquorice (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-29-11 01:14 PM Response to Reply #117 |
151. There's a clear correlation. That was the whole point of the study. People get so irate |
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The Doctor. (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-01-11 11:46 AM Response to Reply #151 |
209. Unfortunately, it's not 'science'. |
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tpsbmam (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-29-11 02:29 PM Response to Reply #43 |
160. Hitting a child, no matter what you call it, |
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The Doctor. (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-30-11 01:13 AM Response to Reply #43 |
172. And every one of those studies is flawed. Heavily. |
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True Earthling (373 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-30-11 07:06 PM Response to Reply #172 |
194. There are MANY, MANY studies which shows a correlation between corporal punishment |
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The Doctor. (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-30-11 09:54 PM Response to Reply #194 |
199. Methodology... Bring It. |
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struggle4progress (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-28-11 10:05 PM Response to Original message |
50. "... grandmother, who has custody ... took the girl to the local hospital ..." |
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stevenleser (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-28-11 11:44 PM Response to Original message |
98. I never hit my child and she is turning into a really great young lady. |
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cali (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-29-11 06:16 AM Response to Reply #98 |
114. never hit my now 24 year old son either and he was a really rambunctious |
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WinkyDink (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-29-11 06:47 AM Response to Original message |
116. Adults do get "spanked," some by paying. |
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Le Taz Hot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-29-11 08:21 AM Response to Original message |
122. Spanking a child means you don't have the |
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The Doctor. (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-29-11 01:27 PM Response to Reply #122 |
153. I'm sorry you were abused as a child. |
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Liquorice (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-29-11 08:29 PM Response to Reply #153 |
165. How do you know those people are wonderful parents? Because they bill themselves as such? nt |
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pipi_k (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-29-11 09:12 PM Response to Reply #165 |
169. And there ya go... |
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NeedleCast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-29-11 08:34 AM Response to Original message |
128. Spaking Thread - Awesome |
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pipi_k (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-29-11 11:48 AM Response to Reply #128 |
143. Meanwhile... |
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ceile (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-29-11 10:04 AM Response to Original message |
137. Extra butter on mine please. |
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One_Life_To_Give (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-29-11 01:09 PM Response to Original message |
149. Used to get Spanked by the CEO |
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The Doctor. (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-29-11 01:22 PM Response to Original message |
152. Never have I seen a thread so brimming with smug self-righteousness. |
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Matariki (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-29-11 04:20 PM Response to Reply #152 |
162. You know, not that long ago it was acceptable for a man to 'physically punish' his wife. |
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The Doctor. (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-29-11 08:44 PM Response to Reply #162 |
166. Pfft... Of all the false equivalencies, this is up there. |
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Matariki (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-30-11 02:08 PM Response to Reply #166 |
179. I disagree. Both are/were based on the idea of ownership and physical dominance. |
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The Doctor. (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-30-11 02:42 PM Response to Reply #179 |
186. So... somehow you think that totally ignoring the point is somehow effective? |
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Odin2005 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-30-11 01:52 AM Response to Reply #152 |
175. Yes, being against CHILD ABUSE is so horrible! |
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The Doctor. (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-30-11 01:52 PM Response to Reply #175 |
176. No, it's not. Child abuse should not be tolerated. |
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Odin2005 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-30-11 06:44 PM Response to Reply #176 |
192. 50 years ago beating schoolkids with paddles was considered an... |
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The Doctor. (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-30-11 09:34 PM Response to Reply #192 |
197. Yes, and kids in high school are so much more well-behaved these days. |
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Darkhawk32 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-29-11 08:58 PM Response to Original message |
168. Wow. So many "Super Parents" in this thread!! |
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Odin2005 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-30-11 01:52 AM Response to Reply #168 |
174. You are just teaching your kids that violence is the answer to problems. |
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The Doctor. (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-30-11 02:05 PM Response to Reply #174 |
177. Which is entirely bullshit. |
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pipi_k (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-30-11 02:16 PM Response to Reply #177 |
181. Yeah, and what they learn about the consequences of their actions |
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Matariki (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-30-11 02:06 PM Response to Reply #174 |
178. Right. Along with the idea that whoever is bigger and stronger gets to do what they want. |
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The Doctor. (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-30-11 02:29 PM Response to Reply #178 |
183. Right! Precisely! |
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Darkhawk32 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-30-11 05:13 PM Response to Reply #183 |
189. I'm very much left-leaning, but this is where a lot of left-leaners go overboard.... |
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Odin2005 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-30-11 06:39 PM Response to Reply #178 |
191. BINGO! You get a cookie! |
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The Doctor. (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-30-11 02:18 PM Response to Reply #168 |
182. I'm amazed at how well they turned out after being spanked as children. |
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pipi_k (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-30-11 02:39 PM Response to Reply #182 |
185. So, was it the same line each time? |
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Manifestor_of_Light (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-02-11 11:52 PM Response to Reply #185 |
251. He couldn't lock up the purse in a file cabinet or closet? |
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laundry_queen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-01-11 02:46 AM Response to Reply #168 |
207. And in comes the 'if you don't spank then there is no discipline' brigade |
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Darkhawk32 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-01-11 06:30 PM Response to Reply #207 |
236. I spank my kids every hour on the hour. /sigh |
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Odin2005 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-30-11 01:37 AM Response to Original message |
173. Spanking is CHILD ABUSE, period! |
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Romulox (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-30-11 02:15 PM Response to Original message |
180. A swat on the bum is NOT child abuse; beating a two year black and blue IS. nt |
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Philippine expat (412 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-30-11 02:49 PM Response to Original message |
187. Have to disagree with the judge on this one |
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Fire1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-30-11 02:58 PM Response to Reply #187 |
188. Agree. n/t |
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JoePhilly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-30-11 05:30 PM Response to Reply #187 |
190. Sure .... but you should know this ... |
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pipi_k (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-30-11 07:07 PM Response to Reply #190 |
195. And that's about the size of it right there... |
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The Doctor. (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-30-11 09:16 PM Response to Reply #190 |
196. Your reasoning applies to nearly all forms of discipline. |
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Luminous Animal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-30-11 09:52 PM Response to Reply #196 |
198. I don't know how other people deal with time out but it is not isolation. |
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The Doctor. (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-30-11 10:32 PM Response to Reply #198 |
200. Yes, you and your parenting and your daughter were perfect. I get that. |
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Luminous Animal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-30-11 10:52 PM Response to Reply #200 |
201. Stranger danger is way overblown. The greatest danger to children is their own |
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The Doctor. (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-30-11 11:42 PM Response to Reply #201 |
203. Right. There's nothing at all wrong with putting a 9 year old girl on a bus or subway alone. |
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Luminous Animal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-01-11 01:05 AM Response to Reply #203 |
204. Less danger than putting a 9 year old in a car. |
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The Doctor. (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-01-11 11:34 AM Response to Reply #204 |
208. Seriously? |
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Luminous Animal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-01-11 12:55 PM Response to Reply #208 |
216. Kids in the city ride mass transit all the time. There are very few school buses |
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The Doctor. (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-01-11 01:09 PM Response to Reply #216 |
219. Where? |
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Luminous Animal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-01-11 01:28 PM Response to Reply #219 |
221. Schoool buses are not mandatory in San Francisco. |
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The Doctor. (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-01-11 03:09 PM Response to Reply #221 |
226. New York? Los Angeles? Seriously here. |
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Luminous Animal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-01-11 04:17 PM Response to Reply #226 |
231. San Francisco. It is right in the title. And yes, she did start community college when she was 13. |
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The Doctor. (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-01-11 04:46 PM Response to Reply #231 |
232. I didn't say otherwise. In fact, it was part of the point I made that you ignored. |
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pipi_k (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-01-11 12:05 PM Response to Reply #201 |
212. Exactly, and that was one of the mistakes I made |
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Drahthaardogs (482 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-01-11 03:28 PM Response to Reply #198 |
228. You put a kid on a subway ALONE at age 9? |
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The Doctor. (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-01-11 04:59 PM Response to Reply #228 |
234. Well, whe was a student a Xavier's school for the gifted. |
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Drahthaardogs (482 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-01-11 05:55 PM Response to Reply #234 |
235. Xavier's eh? So we found Jubilee's mom? |
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MouseFitzgerald (208 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-01-11 01:11 AM Response to Reply #187 |
205. Why? |
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pipi_k (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-01-11 12:13 PM Response to Reply #205 |
214. Just wanted to make sure before I answered this |
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The Doctor. (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-01-11 01:18 PM Response to Reply #205 |
220. They aren't. |
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U4ikLefty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-30-11 10:55 PM Response to Original message |
202. If your name is Deborah Lafave, you can spank 14 year old boys & they like it. |
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snooper2 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-01-11 11:51 AM Response to Original message |
210. I've been spanked - and have spanked another adult before.. |
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pipi_k (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-01-11 12:07 PM Response to Reply #210 |
213. Well at least... |
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ecstatic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-01-11 12:22 PM Response to Original message |
215. There was a saying... "If parents don't spank, the police will" |
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pipi_k (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-01-11 12:59 PM Response to Reply #215 |
217. That statement most likely coined |
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lumberjack_jeff (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-01-11 01:09 PM Response to Original message |
218. I have three kids |
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pipi_k (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-01-11 01:39 PM Response to Reply #218 |
222. Just wondering... |
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lumberjack_jeff (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-01-11 01:59 PM Response to Reply #222 |
223. "Stop!" |
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pipi_k (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-01-11 02:17 PM Response to Reply #223 |
224. No, I understood exactly what you said |
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lumberjack_jeff (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-01-11 02:59 PM Response to Reply #224 |
225. The same way that a hot stove teaches "don't touch me" |
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pipi_k (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-01-11 06:33 PM Response to Reply #225 |
237. OK, but... |
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Pithlet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-02-11 10:15 AM Response to Reply #237 |
243. Yes. This is exactly why that argument never made sense to me. |
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pipi_k (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-02-11 10:49 AM Response to Reply #243 |
244. The more I think about it all, the more disturbing I find it... |
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Pithlet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-02-11 11:14 AM Response to Reply #244 |
245. Right. If spanking made the most sense in these danger scenarios |
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Pithlet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-02-11 11:14 AM Response to Reply #244 |
246. Right. If spanking made the most sense in these danger scenarios |
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The Doctor. (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-01-11 10:28 PM Response to Reply #225 |
238. You aren't dealing with a parent . |
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lumberjack_jeff (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-02-11 12:11 AM Response to Reply #238 |
240. And Mommy Theresa and Father Knowsbest upthread aren't idealizing? |
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pipi_k (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-02-11 11:55 AM Response to Reply #240 |
247. Setting boundaries... |
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lumberjack_jeff (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-02-11 02:17 PM Response to Reply #247 |
249. Respecting boundaries is something adults are expected to do under penalty of law. |
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pipi_k (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-02-11 02:42 PM Response to Reply #249 |
250. Not always. |
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frogmarch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-01-11 03:16 PM Response to Original message |
227. I was never spanked , nor were any of my 3 kids, |
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Liberal_in_LA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-01-11 03:29 PM Response to Reply #227 |
229. My exact same experience. Wasn't spanked, went to school where teachers spanked |
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lumberjack_jeff (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-02-11 10:10 AM Response to Reply #229 |
242. And yet boys school performance has declined in the last 30 years. |
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Liberal_in_LA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-02-11 12:26 PM Response to Reply #242 |
248. omg. |
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zinnisking (294 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-01-11 04:49 PM Response to Original message |
233. ...unless the adult receiving it was wearing tight leather pants with a whole cut out in the butt. |
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