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WillyT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-28-11 09:01 PM
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Anybody Watching Rachel... This Is Genius... Reintroduce The Equal Right Amendment...
If we could push this to get MSM attention, and force the Republicans to choose a side, women, their daughters, their mothers, against the Right-wing Nutjobs... this might pay off huge.

Plus... it's the right thing to do, and way past time it was done.

Rep. Maloney, Sen. Menendez reintroduce Equal Rights Amendment

WASHINGTON, DC – Rep. Carolyn Maloney (D-NY), and Sen. Robert Menendez (D-NJ) today reintroduced the Equal Rights Amendment at an event just outside the Capitol.

“The Equal Rights Amendment is still needed because the only way for women to achieve permanent equality in the U.S. is to write it into the constitution,” Rep. Maloney said. “While it’s been thrilling to see how far women have come in my lifetime, laws can change, government regulations can be weakened, and judicial opinions can shift. Making women’s equality a constitutional right—after Congress passes and 38 states ratify the ERA—would place the United States on record, albeit more than 200 years late, that women are fully equal in the eyes of the law.”

“The WalMart case decided by the Supreme Court this week is a classic example of how far attitudes must still come. The facts of the case support the view that over a million women were systematically denied equal pay by the world’s largest employer,” Maloney said. “While the ERA would apply only to government action, its effect would be sweeping, historic—and long overdue.”

“It is a disgrace that American women are still not constitutionally guaranteed equal rights under the law,” said Sen. Menendez. “Women have made tremendous advancements in our society, but we must continue to advance women’s rights by bringing our laws in line with 21st Century values.”

"I have fought for equal rights my entire adult life, and as the father of three daughters, I consider it a travesty that our great country doesn't constitutionally declare the equality of men and women,” Rep. James Clyburn (D-SC) said. “We say we believe in equality, and yet the facts don't bear that out. After nearly a century of fighting for the Equal Rights Amendment, the time has come to ratify this important American ideal."

The House bill has 159 original cosponsors, including Rep. Gwen Moore (D-WI), Chair of the Congressional Women’s Caucus, who also attended, saying, “How many times do we need to be reminded that women’s rights are at the mercy of the Supreme Court? It’s time once and for all to tell American women that regardless of their biology they have equal rights under the Constitution.”

More: http://maloney.house.gov/index.php?option=content&task=view&id=2380&Itemid=61

Whaddaya think?

:shrug:

:kick:



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WillyT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-28-11 09:04 PM
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1. Full Text Of Bill And List Of Co-Sponsors Here:
Full text of bill (.pdf file): http://maloney.house.gov/documents/women/era/051811ERA112thCongress.pdf

List of Co-Sponsors:

Current House Cosponsors (159): Judy Biggert; Hank Johnson; Charles Rangel; John Sarbanes; Robert Andrews; Joe Baca; Tammy Baldwin; Karen Bass; Timothy Bishop; Corrine Brown; G.K. Butterfield; Kathy Castor; Hansen Clarke; Yvette Clarke; James Clyburn; Steve Cohen; John Conyers; Jim Cooper; Joseph Crowley; Henry Cuellar; Danny Davis; Susan Davis; Diana DeGette; Rosa DeLauro; Norman Dicks; John Dingell; Lloyd Doggett; Donna Edwards; Eliot Engel; Sam Farr; Chaka Fattah; Charles Gonzalez; Raúl Grijalva; Colleen Hanabusa; Maurice Hinchey; Rubén Hinojosa; Mazie Hirono; Rush Holt; Michael Honda; Jay Inslee; Sheila Jackson Lee; Eddie Johnson; Dale Kildee; James Langevin; Barbara Lee; Sander Levin; John Lewis; Nita Lowey; Edward Markey; Betty McCollum; Jim McDermott; James McGovern; Jerry McNerney; Gregory Meeks; Brad Miller; Jerrold Nadler; Grace Napolitano; Frank Pallone; Bill Pascrell; Jared Polis; Silvestre Reyes; Laura Richardson; Cedric Richmond; C.A Dutch Ruppersberger; Loretta Sanchez; Linda Sánchez; David Scott; Terri Sewell; Pete Stark; Betty Sutton; Bennie Thompson; Paul Tonko; Niki Tsongas; Melvin Watt; Peter Welch; Frederica Wilson; Lynn Woolsey; Gary Ackerman; Xavier Becerra; Shelley Berkley; Howard Berman; Sanford Bishop; Earl Blumenauer; Leonard Boswell; Robert Brady; Bruce Braley; Lois Capps; Michael Capuano; Dennis Cardoza; André Carson; Judy Chu; David Cicilline; Wm.Lacy Clay; Gerald Connolly; Jim Costa; Jerry Costello; Joe Courtney; Elijah Cummings; Peter DeFazio; Theodore Deutch; Michael Doyle; Keith Ellison; Anna Eshoo; Bob Filner; Barney Frank; Marcia Fudge; John Garamendi; Al Green; Gene Green; Luis Gutierrez; Alcee Hastings; Brian Higgins; James Himes; Kathy Hochul; Tim Holden; Steve Israel; Jesse Jackson, Jr.; Marcy Kaptur; William Keating; Ron Kind; Dennis Kucinich; Rick Larsen; John Larson; David Loebsack; Zoe Lofgren; Stephen Lynch; Doris Matsui; Carolyn McCarthy; George Miller; Gwen Moore; James Moran; Christopher Murphy; John Olver; Ed Pastor; Donald Payne; Gary Peters; Colin Peterson; Chellie Pingree; David Price; Mike Quigley; Steven Rothman; Lucille Roybal-Allard; Janice Schakowsky; Adam Schiff; Allyson Schwartz; Brad Sherman; Adam Smith; Jackie Speier; Mike Thompson; John Tierney; Edolphus Towns; Chris Van Hollen; Nydia Velázquez; Debbie Wasserman-Schultz; Maxine Waters; Henry Waxman; David Wu; John Yarmuth

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stevedeshazer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-28-11 09:05 PM
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2. It is ridiculous that the Equal Rights Amendment has not been adopted.
On behalf of my mother and grandmothers (God rest their souls) and my daughter and wife, this amendment should be passed today.
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WillyT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-28-11 09:06 PM
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3. + 1,000,000,000... What You Said !!!
:hi:

:kick:
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-29-11 12:15 AM
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31. Where have Dems even been talking about it -- the corporate $$ coma prevails!!!
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polichick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-28-11 09:07 PM
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4. Sure would be fun to see the contortions Republicans would put themselves through!
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WillyT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-28-11 09:12 PM
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5. THAT... Just Gave Me This Biggest Smile In Months !!!
Thank you!!!

:yourock:


:bounce:

:hi:
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polichick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-28-11 09:15 PM
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6. My pleasure! :)
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femrap Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-28-11 09:17 PM
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7. I lived through this once.....
and damned if I want to hear Phyllis Schafly's stupid arguments again. The ERA was the one thing that brought Jews and Muslims together! They both want women in their place.

Organized religions stopped the passage of the ERA the last time.

And damned if I'm going to get my hopes up....they dangle a carrot, get money, and then stab you in the back.

I'm not falling for it. I've been betrayed too many times. And the Dems have no spine....pleeeeeeeeeze. It's just a distraction. I don't think there are that many 'progressive men' who would like it....if truth be told.

I wish I were wrong.
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WillyT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-28-11 09:26 PM
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8. I Hear You, But...
We have a whole new block of voters these days, and more to come.

These same voters are one of the reasons enough Republican Senators in New York helped pass the Gay Marriage Bill.

Now how are you going to give Equal Rights to teh Gays, and NOT give them to women?

This needs to be blasted out into EVERY SINGLE MEDIA format.

Hell... I doubt that many people in this country even realize that women do not have Equal Rights.

And last time, it passed both houses of congress, and got 35 of the 38 states necessary to become part of The Constitution.

The other side thinks that this is settled law... let's prove them wrong.

:shrug:

:hi:
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DURHAM D Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-28-11 09:49 PM
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16. So true -
"I doubt that many people in this country even realize that women do not have Equal Rights"

I'll go you one better. If you ask people (especially younger people) when the ERA passed they will give you the answer. When you tell them it didn't pass they get out their phones and start thumbing away looking to prove me wrong.

Just last Saturday night I was out with young (gay) friends and we were discussing marriage equality (NY) and how lucky we were that we had not ended up with an amendment to the constitution between 1995-2005 defining marriage as mixed. The group at the next table were listening to us and wanted to know why we were discussing constitutional amendments. Anyway, they joined us and I then asked the question "What is the most recent amendment to the constitution?" Six answered the ERA, two answer 18 year old vote. No one got it right.
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WillyT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-28-11 09:57 PM
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19. EXACTLY !!!
:yourock:

Hell... we're having to fight the New Deal, the Civil War, the Civil Rights Movement, the Union Movement, etc... all over again, why not the ERA?

:hi:
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femrap Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-29-11 01:42 PM
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53. People don't vote on this....legislatures do.
I'm sorry...I just don't see a bunch of dudes voting for this. Not when this nation has moved so faaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaar to the Right.

Our nation was much more progressive back in the '70's and early '80's. Not now. Hell, we have Fundamental Evangelicals running for President!!!! Are you kidding?

I live out here in 'fly over' states. Not going to happen. As I said, I wish I were wrong.

When did Gays get an ERA? They just get to get married....an institution run by the State.

What states are you going to press for passage???? You need to do some research.

If you think the Multi-national Corporations are going to allow these minions in state legislatures to give women equality, you are sorely mistaken.

I don't mean to rain on your parade, but I've been there. I've lived it. And today's atmosphere of hard economic times does not lend itself to giving women 'equal' rights. Da boyz will just think we want their jobs.

Go talk to a Bubba in your local bar.
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awoke_in_2003 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-29-11 10:48 PM
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81. Willy, I live in the south...
and cannot hold out hope about the young people. I took a US Government course in the local community college a few years ago. About 30 in our class. When we got to Roe v. Wade, the professor (a liberal African American) asked how many agreed with the decision. I raised my hand, as did one other guy my age. All the rest of the class was under 20, and half of them were female. Not even one of those ladies had their hands raised- not ONE. The professor gave a good lecture on female rights after that, but I don't think it took. Hearing why these ladies were opposed to reproductive rights was very disheartening to me. Religion is dragging this country down, and our ladies are right on board with it.
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LiberalAndProud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-28-11 09:27 PM
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10. I'm much older now than I was back then. And still it is left undone.
Here is something anecdotal to think about, femrap.

We had a family gathering on Friday because my uncle was here visiting from Ithaca. He has always been very conservative in his views, and believes from his religious doctrine that homosexuality is wrong. Before the gathering, I had read that the measure was likely to pass with a two vote cushion and said so.

My uncle said, as best as I can remember, "Well, you know, if they don't pass it this year, they'll just keep bringing it back until it does pass." He was resigned.

So I learned, persistence pays off. If we give up, we lose. That much is clear.
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femrap Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-29-11 01:54 PM
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54. There is, imho, a
big difference between allowing gay people to get married in NY state (a progressive state) and giving Women Equality all over the country.

Nothing makes some men more flaccid or angry than to realize a woman can do a job as good or better than a man.

College women were polled a few years back...more were in favor of gay marriage than abortion. Talk about voting against your own best interests.

Pick the 3 states that you think you can get this passed....and don't bother looking south of the Mason-Dixon. Crunch the numbers. Look at the legislatures. Let me know where you are going to focus your efforts. I want to see a well thought-out plan before I lift a finger. Remember, I've done this before and was massively depressed by the outcome. I'm not getting up my hopes again just to be reminded that I'm a second-class piece of shit.

The only way it will get passed is if TPTB figure out a way to use the law AGAINST women....no more domestic violence shelters, no more help as a single mother, etc.

Please call up your conservative uncle and ask him about the ERA...I wonder if he'll know what it is. ERA is now a Real Estate Firm.
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catzies Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-30-11 08:03 PM
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90. I hear you, and I know lots of women who fought for the ERA the first time
And I understand not wanting to get crushed again. And the troglodytes won't stand for passing it.

BUT

The troglodytes will die off. Racism isn't even dead buried and gone, and neither is sexism. But it is a matter of time, and I support bringing up the ERA in every Congress and statehouse.

That said, I see a bigger issue in the perception that the majority of young women today would NEVER say they are a feminist. If we can't get women behind the ERA, the torglodytes will surely have an easy time defeating it.

And if they hate the label feminist, fine, so come up with a new one, and we'll all agree to get to work.



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femrap Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-30-11 11:19 PM
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93. Instead of calling ourselves feminists....
why not just call ourselves WOMEN. The Women's Equality Movement. After all that's what we are....Women. Not ladies. Not girls. We're Women.
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DURHAM D Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-28-11 09:31 PM
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11. IMO - The money behind the defeat was insurance companies.
The Mormons, Southern Baptists and Roman Catholics were their sock puppets.

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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-29-11 12:17 AM
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32. Well, feminists -- Ellie Smeal/FFM and others said it was RCC and Mormons which
financed the campaign against ERA with tax exempt dollars --

that doesn't mean that the whole "Business Roundatable" of 250 or more of

corporations weren't against it, as well!!

We hear little about that org because when info gets out the corps involved

drop out -- they don't want to be linked to it --

but it's anti-women and all the other usual things they use to exploit humans/labor.


And that included AT&T -- and Hallmark Cards!!

Many others -- I used to have a long list of them --


Imagine all the women who buy Hallmark Cards -- hate them -- I make my own cards.

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femrap Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-29-11 02:00 PM
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55. So insurance companies wouldn't have to
reduce health premiums for women???

Is that your thinking?

Listen, religion is much stronger than any old AETNA and they have tax-free income. The Bible is the foundation of Patriarchy. Those boyz are NOT going to share the pulpit w/ any old 'girl.'

Sorry, but you're off base. Were you around back then? That's when the Moral Majority developed....Phyllis and her Eagle Forum (which is still around and funding Bachmann) and all the other Holy Rollers found their strength.

Go google and read the history.

I don't need to inform you of the history...you can read.
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DURHAM D Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-29-11 05:00 PM
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64. I was more than around.
For several months I had people staying at my house who had been sent by various national organizations to lobby the state legislature. I lived in one of the last three states that was a battleground.

I never encountered a single person lobbying against the ERA who was a private citizen just expressing their views. Their lobbyists were all professionals and most were from DC. I was working for a state senator so I was in it every day. The amount of money (and sexual favors) being offered by the opposition was staggering.

Clearly you don't know anything about insurance companies, especially life insurance, interest in the issue. Phyllis was their creation. I don't appreciate your condescending tone. You go do some reading. I lived it up close. You will find that it was the insurance industry that was truly frightened by the measure. I thought everyone knew that - guess not.
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femrap Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-29-11 07:09 PM
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72. I asked you a
simple question relating to health insurance for women.

Explain to me why AETNA, State Farm, Prudential,etc. were scared of women gaining equality.

Gee, now who is being condescending.

In my memory, the RR was her backer.

Obviously you don't want to answer my question...so don't bother. I'll just add you to the list. No big deal. buh bye.

good luck
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Ken Burch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-29-11 08:00 PM
Response to Reply #64
77. Well, could you explain the interest thing, then?
A lot of us would like to understand that and how it relates to the ERA, I suspect, given that it's likely to still be an issue now.
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DURHAM D Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-29-11 10:11 PM
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79. Passage of the ERA would of required gender neutral pricing for
life, health, annuities, car insurance, etc. To be honest I don't know where this stands today at the national level. But, I do know that some states have fairly recently passed laws requiring gender neutral premiums suggesting the ERA if passed will definitely piss off the industry.

JFTR - if the EEOC and other agencies that are supposed to watch dog gender bias in employment, pay equity, and comparable worth did their job the WalMart problem would never have developed. Clarence Thomas was head of the EEOC from 1982-1990. Yes THAT Clarence Thomas and every female attorney and professor in the country was aware that he was already a serial sexual harasser. Naturally he didn't give a shit about gender discrimination.
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catzies Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-30-11 08:12 PM
Response to Reply #64
91. I don't know anything about that and I would like to learn
Could you point me to some reading on the subject? TIA.
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Le Taz Hot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-29-11 08:02 AM
Response to Reply #7
45. The above poster is correct, we have a WHOLE
different demographic now.

And for the youngins, allow me to introduce you to Phyllis Schlafly, the big-mouth misogynist hypo-"Christian" who was the anti-ERA mouthpiece. Enjoy:

“ERA means abortion funding, means homosexual privileges, means whatever else.”

“Sex education classes are like in-home sales parties for abortions”

“Sexual harassment on the job is not a problem for virtuous women”

Actually, my very favoritist quote comes from good ole Pat Robertson:

"Feminism encourages women to leave their husbands, kill their children, practice witchcraft, destroy capitalism and become lesbians."



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femrap Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-29-11 02:06 PM
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56. Oh, I had forgotten
those particular lines. Every time I heard one of those lines, I'd get a headache.

Phyllis Schlafly is STILL around w/ her Eagle Forum and is one the biggest contributors to Bachmann.

When's Pat gonna die? At least we don't have Falwell around now!

Phyllis was such the hypocrite....leaving her family at home to fend for themselves while she walked and worked upon the country's stage. 'No women deserves rights except me' says the Queen Bee!
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CTyankee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-29-11 08:06 AM
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46. I lived thru it too. I was working in D.C. at the time and saw it play out.
Here is what really killed ERA: 1) The argument that it isn't necessary because we have been so successful with the 14th Amendment and 2) women will have to fight and die in combat.

We have to remember that the ERA was revived at a time when our country had just gotten over the Vietnam War and its attendant horrors. Women had just started to be accepted into the service academies and their participation in the armed forces was nothing compared to today. It was hard for people to imagine their daughters, as well as their sons, fighting and dying in jungle warfare (which is how we viewed combat then). This has evolved. It is no longer an argument against ERA.

Also, at that time energetic feminist attorneys, such as Ruth Bader Ginsburg, were successfully using the 14th amendment to secure victories in court cases to achieve goals of equal rights. So the ERA was viewed by some, not everyone, as superfluous. Why stir the pot unnecessarily if you can get what you want in court?

In the end, of course, we lost in the courts on two issues: whether the state legislatures that had initially passed ERA were able to rescind that vote later and whether the extension of time for ratification that Congress had approved earlier was valid. Those two decisions were then key factors in ERA's demise. A good question is whether these two factors can be undone or overcome if ERA passage is undertaken today...



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femrap Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-29-11 02:12 PM
Response to Reply #46
58. With the
Courts of today (SCOTUS) ERA wouldn't be given a chance. We'd probably have to start at State One again.

And the nation has moved so far to the Right....what 38 states have Dem majorities (and that doesn't mean they'd vote for it).

In fact, wasn't the ERA removed from the Dem platform in '08???

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Zanzoobar Donating Member (618 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-29-11 07:07 PM
Response to Reply #46
71. Thank you for mentioning the 14th.
Do you think that covers it? I do.
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coffeenap Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-29-11 08:42 AM
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50. One piece of wrong--
Mainstream Jews and Muslims in this country would not be the impediments. It will be xtian fundies and the corporate overlords who rule them with their invisible hand filled with unlimited funds. ( By the way, I was there the first time and Jewish people were at the forefront, just as we were there in support of civil rights for African-americans. )

On my bulletin board in my kitchen is a pin that reads: Give her the ERA for Mothers Day! :)
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femrap Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-29-11 02:20 PM
Response to Reply #50
59. Most Jewish and Muslim MEN agreed
that the ERA was bad. Most of them didn't want it passed. All organized religions did not want it passed. The Bible/Torah/Koran is the basis for Patriarchy on this Planet.

Women are being arrested TODAY for driving in Saudi Arabia.

I know all about Jews going South to help the Civil Rights movement...but that doesn't mean they want All Women to be considered EQUAL to them.

Many Jewish Rabbis that are women? Muslim Imams that are women? Organized religions believe women are below men....second class...to obey and smile while doing so.

Don't orthodox Jewish men say a pray in the morning in gratitude for being born female?
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Chef Eric Donating Member (576 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-29-11 05:17 PM
Response to Reply #59
65. What is your source for this info about Jewish & Muslim men? Do you have a link? nt
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femrap Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-29-11 07:17 PM
Response to Reply #65
74. Have you looked at what
Muslim women have to wear in the US? Do you not see their religious ceremonies separated by gender?

Doesn't the Jewish Orthodox male pray in the morning in gratitude for not being born a woman?

Do we not live in a Patriarchy? Does the Bible/Torah/Koran place women equal to men?

I don't have a link big enough for those 3 books.

Are you being silly with me? Or do you live under a rock like those dudes in the Geico commercial?

Why do Muslim women cover their hair??? The men say it arouses and tempts them so the women must go out of their way to be ugly. You know, if the dudes can't keep their heads out of the gutter, maybe they should be sent to the wilderness to chop trees and dig lakes?

I guess I might as add you to the Ignore List now. As Shirley Chisholm said: "Men are men."

good luck.

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Chef Eric Donating Member (576 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-30-11 12:14 PM
Response to Reply #74
82. PLEASE put me on ignore, if you haven't done so already.
FYI, only 10% of the Jews in America are Orthodox. And I've NEVER met a non-Orthodox Jewish male who had a problem with equal rights for women.

But don't mind the facts. Keep living in your strange world of misinformation.

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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-29-11 07:23 PM
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Buck Turgidson Donating Member (434 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-29-11 02:12 PM
Response to Reply #7
57. Supporting the ERA
I don't think there are that many 'progressive men' who would like it....if truth be told.

I wish I were wrong.


In my particular case, you are utterly wrong. Like you, I have no data to support a more general statement.
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femrap Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-29-11 02:27 PM
Response to Reply #57
60. Maybe a
search on the internet concerning Women's Issue that have been voted upon in state and federal legislatures would open your eyes to the fact that many a Blue Dog sides w/ the Right when it comes to the issues concerning Women.

I see you are new here. Were you around during the Dem Primary of '08 when HRC was called every filthy name in the book? I left DU for several months because I couldn't stomach the out and out hatred of her and the other women who supported her. And this is supposedly a 'progressive' board. I had no idea that our culture was so misogynist....and proudly so.

That is where I'm coming from.

I don't feel it is my place to educate you. The National Women's Lawyers Association might be a good starting point....and I'm not sure that I have the words in the correct order.
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Buck Turgidson Donating Member (434 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-29-11 02:52 PM
Response to Reply #60
62. Let me be clear.
I am "progressive". I am a man. I support the ERA, both now and back then. I been registered here for about 10 years. You jumped to conclusions based on my low post count.
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femrap Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-29-11 07:04 PM
Response to Reply #62
70. And because you are a progressive
man on DU that supports the ERA, ALL the dudes here are the same as you????? Why do I always get the responses from the low posters?

Were you lurking during the '08 Dem Primary? That was, for me, a miserable, yet eye-opening experience.
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awoke_in_2003 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-29-11 10:42 PM
Response to Reply #7
80. "Organized religions stopped the passage of the ERA the last time"
and they would do it again- religion is a hell of a lot stronger in this country than it was 30 years ago. The march to the dark ages astounds me.
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femrap Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-30-11 03:15 PM
Response to Reply #80
83. Fundamental Evangelicals are
mainstream....and running for Prez. I wish the nightmare would end.
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awoke_in_2003 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-30-11 03:26 PM
Response to Reply #83
86. I wish I had the money...
to emigrate to a Scandinavian country. Americans worry about the specter of Sharia law, while trying mightily to install their own.
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femrap Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-30-11 05:49 PM
Response to Reply #86
88. I wish I could get out
of here as well.

Do you think Americans will be the 'new illegal immigrants?' I think I'd like to live in France....out in the country. My great-grandfathers came from Germany...wish they had kept in touch w/ someone from there.

And people who complain about 'big government'...why don't they go to Somalia where there is NO gov't.

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awoke_in_2003 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-30-11 07:48 PM
Response to Reply #88
89. it is bound to happen...
as the empire crumbles
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Plucketeer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-29-11 07:57 PM
Response to Reply #4
76. Yeah - that would be almost as good as...
the amendment being adopted itself!
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snot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-28-11 09:26 PM
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9. K&R'd!
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mulsh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-28-11 09:31 PM
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12. right on ! If it passes women will be eligable for conscription just
like men currently are.

I worked for passage of the original ERA and I will do so again.
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WillyT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-28-11 09:36 PM
Response to Reply #12
14. LOL... I'm Sensing Mixed Messages Here...
:shrug:
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Le Taz Hot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-29-11 08:06 AM
Response to Reply #12
47. As they should be.
Why is it that we are more willing to sacrifice our young men and not our young women? Equal rights means equal responsibility and equal sacrifices.
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merh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-28-11 09:34 PM
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13. I have been saying this for years.
The ERA would resolve so many problems, would provide the equal footing for so many people who are entitled to equality it would benefit more than just women. Read the text -

Section 1. Equality of rights under the law shall not be denied or abridged by the United States or by any state on account of sex.





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catzies Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-30-11 08:26 PM
Response to Reply #13
92. And, with one change it could be this:
Section 1. Equality of rights under the law including marriage shall not be denied or abridged by the United States or by any state on account of sex.

How about it?

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riderinthestorm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-28-11 09:39 PM
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15. Great ideal but impossible as Rethugs work double time to strip women of hard earned rights already
I also was a proud supporter and worked hard for ERA passage the first time.

Now? I'm too much of a cynic. The Rethugs have been working for decades to inculcate their base against basic women's rights to control their own body let alone the ERA. I wish it weren't so and I would welcome it's re-introduction but I am far too pragmatic now in my later years and understand this is probably a pipe dream in my lifetime.
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WillyT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-28-11 09:52 PM
Response to Reply #15
17. 1982 Was 29 Years Ago...
A lot has changed.

And if done right, this will tie the rightwing up in knots.

:shrug:

:hi:
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femrap Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-29-11 02:35 PM
Response to Reply #17
61. A lot has changed
for the WORSE. America began its Great Decline with Raygun in 1981. The nation is so far to the Right now. Misogyny is mainstream now. Just look at the video games...the TV shows. Gee, the Dem Primary in '08 here on DU...I left for months it was so vile.

What has changed for the better? The young women of today are not half as radical as The Women Libbers back when. If young women aren't going to hit the streets, it won't happen. I don't see a fighting spirit in the young women of today....they all want to be Eye Candy and 'Hot.' The 24/7 MSM has seen to that.
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Jane Austin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-28-11 09:56 PM
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18. I'm surprised she connected it to the WalMart decision in her piece.
The ERA wouldn't apply to private companies, would it?

Maybe I misremember. I was in my twenties when it was first passed, I think.

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WillyT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-28-11 10:00 PM
Response to Reply #18
20. Possibly...
Section 1. Equality of rights under the law shall not be denied or abridged by the United States or by any state on account of sex.

If the complainants had been black...

:shrug:
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DURHAM D Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-28-11 10:01 PM
Response to Reply #18
21. Equal pay for equal work will/does apply to every employer.
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madrchsod Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-28-11 10:12 PM
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22. not a chance in hell would this pass in this political climate
the amount of money the walmart and other companies would pour into it`s defeat would be mind boggling.
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WillyT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-28-11 10:26 PM
Response to Reply #22
23. Ok.. Fine... BUT, It Puts EVERYBODY On Record...
And... if because of the fallout, Democrats get back the House, and keep the Senate and the Presidency...

It just might pass.

:shrug:

Just listening to Republicans have to come out in opposition on TV would be worth it.

Again 1982, was 29 years ago. That's an entire generation.

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TheKentuckian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-28-11 11:05 PM
Response to Reply #22
27. You change the spectrum of the debate by relentlessly pushing ideas that cannot pass RIGHT NOW
There is no sense in a political party that passively accepts conditions and worse reacts instead of pushing an agenda.

Change the environment rather than accepting it and whatever comes.
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madrchsod Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-29-11 12:13 AM
Response to Reply #27
29. agree....i think the social media revolution shows the way to do this
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Lorien Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-29-11 01:01 AM
Response to Reply #22
38. That's being said about marrige equality too. nt
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EC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-28-11 10:34 PM
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24. It would work in the individual states and federally
since it has to be ratified by the states to make it an amendment. Should be able to do it this time if it's given a chance.
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Jakes Progress Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-28-11 10:44 PM
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25. Good.
I'm still boycotting states that didn't pass it the first time.

Lest's see the tea-party say that women don't have the same rights as men.
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WillyT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-28-11 10:59 PM
Response to Reply #25
26. Yeah... I'd Like To Hear That Argument Too
:hi:
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pokerfan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-28-11 11:19 PM
Response to Reply #25
28. You don't know the tea-baggers...
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-29-11 12:30 AM
Response to Reply #28
37. Yeah, but it was all funded by GOP and wealthy right wingers ....
GOP gave start up funding for the Christian Coalition --

Richard Scaife financed Dobson's group --

and other wealthy rightwingers funded Bauer's group --

On and on -- you know the song!


Same with "pro-life" which feminists say was funded by "white" Christian militia groups --

and evidently they solicited volunteers from the Methadone clinics and paid them to

demonstrate outside women's clinics --

Then, of couse, we had the truly unbalanced identified in church groups/cults who came

out to actually murder doctors!! And bomb clinics!


NRA was radicalized by the right wing -- in some of their earliest targeting of Congress --

and they targeted not only liberals and moderates in the Democratic party, but also liberals

and moderates in the Repug party -- thereby effectively moving Congress to the right!


The only way the rightwing can rise is via political violence -- and we've had 50 years of it --

Goebbels' style propaganda, stealing elections -- and the money to do pay for it.


T-baggers funded by Koch Bros. and run out of a Freedom Works - a PR firm which guarantees

them publicity. An effort, imo, to turn the political arena more aggressive -- even violent.


And Koch Bros. funded DLC which infiltrated the Dem party for 20 years --


It's all a Hollywood Soundstage set we need break thru --



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Jakes Progress Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-29-11 08:10 AM
Response to Reply #28
48. Sure they are wack-a-do misogynists
but they need to go on record with that stance. Let bachman say she doesn't want women to have the same rights to the whole country, not just to her church. Let them tell all women that they are not worthy of equal protection under the law. I know that they are shriveled little minds when they gather for themselves, but they could be made to display this missing brain if they had to take a stand on women's equality.
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-29-11 12:14 AM
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30. What does it need ... 3 more votes? They don't have to begin over ... think needs to be extended?
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DURHAM D Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-29-11 12:18 AM
Response to Reply #30
33. Yes it does need to start over.
it timed out
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-29-11 12:21 AM
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35. Thought they were just talking the other day about extending it ????
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eShirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-29-11 01:18 AM
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41. maybe not
http://www.equalrightsamendment.org/viability.htm

Why the ERA Remains Legally Viable and Properly Before the States
(Summary)

The Equal Rights Amendment, passed by Congress in 1972, would have become the 27th Amendment to the Constitution if three-fourths of the states had ratified it by June 30, 1982. However, that date passed with only 35 of the necessary 38 state ratifications. Instead, the 27th Amendment is the "Madison Amendment," concerning Congressional pay raises, which went to the states for ratification in 1789 and reached the three-fourths goal in 1992.

The fact that a 203-year ratification period was accepted as valid has led ERA supporters to propose that Congress has the power to maintain the legal viability of the ERA and the existing 35 state ratifications. If so, only three more state ratifications would be needed to make the ERA part of the Constitution. Legal analysis supporting this strategy was developed in 1995 by Allison Held, Sheryl Herndon and Danielle Stager, then third-year law students at the T. C. Williams School of Law in Richmond, VA. Their article, "Why the ERA Remains Legally Viable and Properly Before the States," was published in the Spring 1997 issue of William & Mary Journal of Women and the Law.

-snip-

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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-29-11 12:23 PM
Response to Reply #41
51. Thank you -- and actually I think I had some e-mail a few days ago about calling Congress...
to push for an extension --

Sadly, not as familiar with this as I should ble --

the three states, for instance were ... Florida? Illinois, NC, Oklahoma?

Thought it was 3 states -- ?



June 30, 1982 -- ERA is stopped three states short of ratification. ERA supporters pledge "We'll Remember in November." An analysis of the ERA vote in the four key targeted states, Florida, Illinois, North Carolina and Oklahoma, shows the Republicans deserted ERA and Democratic support was not strong enough to pass the amendment; the analysis makes clear that the single most obvious problem was the gender and racial imbalance in the legislatures, with more than 2/3 of the women, all of the African Americans but less than 50% of the white men in the targeted legislatures casting pro-ERA votes in 1982.


http://www.now.org/issues/economic/cea/history.html
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-29-11 12:20 AM
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34. Love Rep. Carolyn Maloney -- NY -- !!!
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lonestarnot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-29-11 12:22 AM
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36. It was difficult to look at some of those old turds from the past. Hated them then.
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AverageJoe90 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-29-11 01:05 AM
Response to Original message
39. Hope it works out! =D
Oh, I really hope this doesn't backfire on the
Dems...........but if it works, the GOP can perhaps kiss any
real success with yet another block of voters good-bye. :D
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eShirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-29-11 01:12 AM
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40. one of the talking points against it was that the language would grant equal rights to homosexuals
nowadays that would be a point in favor of passage
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justiceischeap Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-29-11 08:24 AM
Response to Reply #40
49. That's true because lesbians could use it as a way of saying we are being
denied rights based on our gender.
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provis99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-29-11 01:21 AM
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42. It's purely symbolic.
Someone introduces the ERA resolution every new Congressional session. It has become Congressional tradition, nothing more.
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JVS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-29-11 01:28 AM
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43. Prediction: Republicans move in lockstep against it saying that equal rights are already...
implicit in the constitution. Conservadems side with Republicans against liberal Democrats.
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rhett o rick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-29-11 07:32 AM
Response to Reply #43
44. You got it. nm
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brooklynite Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-29-11 12:28 PM
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52. This is fine, but...
...don't suggest, as some have, that the way to do this is to eliminate the approval deadline from the LAST bill. You're going to need to rebuild a national consensus in support of ERA, if for no other reason than you'll need it to get anything through the Congress.
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Deep13 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-29-11 04:03 PM
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63. Introducing it on the state level will help turn out the young, female vote.
Could be helpful.
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marions ghost Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-29-11 06:34 PM
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66. After the Wal-Mart vote...
:grr: this needs to be done.

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Shining Jack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-29-11 06:39 PM
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67. K&R n/t
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TBF Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-29-11 06:43 PM
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68. K&R nt
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kestrel91316 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-29-11 06:56 PM
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69. When I started college in 1974, young women were still being denied entry into
vet school because the jobs "rightly belonged to men" and women would "just take up space in vet school and then after graduating, just get married and have kids and never use their degree". Except that wasn't what we wanted to do.

May I live to see the day our rights are enshrined in our Constitutional.
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supernova Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-29-11 07:17 PM
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73. Rec #100!
:applause:
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lumberjack_jeff Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-29-11 08:52 PM
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78. So what kinds of institutionally sexist government policies would this affect?
"Section 1. Equality of rights under the law shall not be denied or abridged by the United States or by any State on account of sex."

I can think of a few.

Be careful what you wish for.
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Taverner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-30-11 03:20 PM
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85. I'm not sure those would be an abridgement of rights
Edited on Thu Jun-30-11 03:20 PM by Taverner
Anymore than funding for the arts abridges the rights of engineers
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lumberjack_jeff Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-30-11 03:34 PM
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87. An arts bill which requires engineers to register for the draft wouldn't pass the giggle test.
Edited on Thu Jun-30-11 03:42 PM by lumberjack_jeff
And besides, engineers aren't a protected class. In event of passage of the ERA, men would be.
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Taverner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-30-11 03:19 PM
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84. YES!!!
I always thought it was wussie weaseling that prevented a Democratic Party Controlled Government from passing it
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