WATCH WHAT THEY DO... they got a leak in NM

or a very good chance they do... You do NOT fly NBC equipped planes unless you have a high rate of suspicion that you got a nuclear leak.

No, they will not outright tell us...

That is the nature of the nuclear industry.

Fire near a nuclear lab that has been around for years. So, they're flying NBC planes to check the smoke. Seems like an appropriate thing to do. They've reported no radioactivity was found.

So, appropriate thing to do. No radiation detected.

They checked. They told us. I imagine they'll continue to monitor the situation and issue further reports.

Seeya...

Nuclear power generation is not safe. It has never been safe, and cannot be made to be safe. That does not mean, however, that everything the NRC and EPA says is a lie.

And if nothing is found, it's simply evidence of a massive, all-consuming cover-up.

And that has nothing to do with what planes they are flying -- it's that the nuclear industry has so often lied to us. At the very least, anything they say should be taken with a grain of (nonradioactive) salt.

What is NBC equipped?

they have been using ground based sniffers, kind of standard all along, but deploying the aircraft is a major step.

On the bright side, if they got a leak it will be small

you have been on top of this things. Thank you.

and on the bright side, given the nature of what they got... it is not going to be even to the little toe of fukushima...

Why do you say that?
Some more questions for you please?
Who or what is your source for reliable info regarding Fukushima status?
Would you consider doing a post on Fukushima as you presently see it?

Plutonium laced dirt, not active fuel or even spent fuel,

As to Fukushima I troll the web, but Fairwinds and Associates (arnie Gunderson) is like the best...

As to how I see it, ongoing disaster with an ongoing rad leak. (No my local EPA monitors have not gone back to background)

I find Gunderson believable also.
There's some weird shit sites that are infested with whackos who have gone off the edge polluting any real reliable information that can be gleaned.
The news sites from Japan that I have seen don't have a comment feature unfortunately.
Where do you live that the EPA monitors are still above background?

we checked them the other day before going to market. I ran out of butter... got margarine.

Or milk damn it.
I live in Washington State on the coast.
B. C. Universities tested seaweed on Vancouver Island and found radiation (Iodine, I think).
Now testing is suspended because all is supposed to be below levels of concern. I don't believe it.
What the hell is the harm of having daily test results released to the public?
We know that the radiation shit-storm from Fukushima has not stopped.

they are protecting the industry... and then there are two plants in a flood plan... notice how much the media is covering this round the edges?

He's the nuclear power equivalent of those "security experts" who would go on Fox News and tell people about all the latest pants-shittingly terrifying threats of foreign terrorism. He makes things up, and runs on pseudoscience and bullshit. He presents himself as a "nuclear engineer," but his only claim to that is a college degree older than the nuclear plants he complains about as "antiques," and he has NEVER been involved in running a commercial nuclear reactor. He's a business executive with a taste for the spotlight.

:wow:
Ok, off to do a little research on him now.

Gunderson was a whistle blower for problems with GE reactors back in the day. Instead of getting protection... as he should.

So the industry and it's supporters have tried to destroy him ever since. One of the things he did, was part of the cleanup team after TMI

Dumbest post of the day

yup

Los Alamos. I am of the opinion that there is some dangerous stuff there.

but they, as far as we know, do not have an active reactor. What they have is plutonium though...

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"cover-up".

But if there's no leak, and therefore no report of a leak, that's just proof that there was a leak and it's being covered up.

Brilliant!

Sid

backwards logic in play in some quarters.

like standard and shit, to air based sniffers, was a major red flag...

As to the all is well crowd... at this point, whatever. That is my attitude any longer

The Lab can just refuse to answer any and all questions on national security grounds... and it is not a coverup... it is the nature of what they do.

The lab is known though to be HIGHLY secretive, again due to what they do. You have to... if your job is to develop and maintain the nuclear arsenal.

But the air sniffers are indeed a red flag... ground sniffers, they are there... that's part of what they do.

they have such gear available when there is the slightest possibility of contamination. The VERY slightest possibility. That doesn't mean there isn't a leak, just that the presence of gear does in no way confirm it.

Will this shirt protect me from nuke radiation?

:hi:

and the NBC gear is being worn... moving air assets, and you know it from having work this means they are at a much higher level of concern.

And yes, I have worn the crap too.. thankfully all we got to do was sweat our lovely asses, in TRAINING. For that I am that thankful.

But still, thankfully, every single time I've worn it, it's turned out not to have been necessary. Let's keep our fingers crossed.

but still, moving air assets means higher level of concern and larger area of concern. That is my point. They either have a leak or a higher probability of one.

Watch what they do... applies.

God, imagine wearing that gear in NM in summer. Ugh.

Teaching their kids up there..... For some reason
I didn't pass the security test, though they sought me out in another state and invited me down twice.....LOL

Being a native born NM.. I know that place really well and have hiked around the area in many phases of my life

I wouldn't worry about it the because of the topography, its pretty isolated on the top of a
Mesa surrounded by deep Arroyos.

I do worry about the National Sites surrounding the place.... some are very ancient, with ancient Indian
artifacts and structures.

The IQ of the place is something out of the X files.

Sid

Saw this info at the end of an article and think it might be useful for reference:
http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/ap/nation/7632413.html

Scientists monitor air as fire burns near NM lab
By P. SOLOMON BANDA and SUSAN MONTOYA BRYAN Associated Press © 2011 The Associated Press
June 29, 2011, 2:05PM

The lab, which employs about 15,000 people, covers more than 36 square miles and includes about 2,000 buildings at nearly four dozen sites. They include research facilities, as well as waste disposal sites.

Some facilities, including the administration building, are in Los Alamos, while others are miles from the town. Most of the buildings from the Manhattan Project that developed the first atomic bomb in the 1940s were built on what is now the town and are long gone. The spot fire Monday scorched a section known as Tech Area 49, which was used in the early 1960s for a series of underground tests with high explosives and radioactive materials.

Lab spokesman Kevin Roark said environmental specialists were monitoring air quality, but the main concern was smoke. Lab personnel and the state environment department were monitoring the air for radioactivity and particulates.

Additional ground-based monitors were on their way, some of which would be placed in neighboring Espanola and Santa Fe.

in Espanola and SF?

Curious....

Again watch what they do....

They must have had a little issue with a container or two... yes speculation on my part, but...

I remember.
You were right about Fukushima,
and They were very, VERY WRONG.
You have credibility.

wrong on this, and just have my cackles raised over nothing

...is a cause for concern, not an indictment.

I'm sure it's already being discussed at corporate-owned think tanks.

and governments, (as well as regulatory agencies) going back to IKE...

aka planes, to test the air over the burn zone... realize they are also moving more ground based sniffers, see article posted above by poster.

So at the very least it means they, in an abundance of caution, are upping the ante in the air testing.

For the record I hope they catch nada in them sniffers. But this is a classic watch what they do

What tell-tale action should raise our eyebrows and concern?

active burn. At that point though they will tell us why.

:hi:

Someone asked in another thread if NATO/US actions in Lybia had to do with oil, of course, considering our other military excursions of the last decade, at lest, it is very easy to conclude that oil is at the center of our actions in Lybia and other oil-rich nations. And why? Maybe greed, but my guess is that the US is indeed shoring up our access to oil as that resource is depleted. And we must be nearing a critical stage there, but will the powers that be tell us these things? Of course not, much like we'd never be told of a nuclear leak in NM if they could possibly keep it from us.

but it is what it is.

:hi:

As to Lybia... yep, to protect Italian access to oil... IT IS their major provider.

LANL: First High-Volume Air Samples Come in ‘Clean’


-A A +AWednesday, June 29, 2011 at 1:54 pm



Despite no wildfire currently on Los Alamos Laboratory property, the Laboratory has established a network of
seven high-volume air samplers along the southern, northern and eastern
boundaries of Laboratory property to verify that hazardous materials are not
leaving the Laboratory in smoke from the fire.

Preliminary results of air
samples taken at Los Alamos National Laboratory boundaries show no
radioactive materials from Laboratory operations or legacy waste in smoke
from the Las Conchas fire.

“There are no wildfires burning on Lab property and our nuclear
and hazardous materials are accounted for and protected,” said Laboratory
Director Charles McMillan.

“As scientists we need data to ensure that our
employees and regional neighbors are not affected by our operations.
Preliminary air sampling results confirm this.”

The high-volume air sample filters are being split with one half
of each filter being analyzed on site for a quick turnaround of results and
the other half being sent to an offsite, independent laboratory for analysis
and corroboration of the preliminary results.

In addition to the high-volume samplers, the Laboratory has
sixty AIRNET sampling stations near Los Alamos, White Rock, on laboratory property, and
in the region. **A subset of these stations is in place to ensure compliance
with the Environmental Protection Agency’s airborne dose limit for the
public.

The AIRNET samples will help verify the high-volume sampling
results. The preliminary data shows no levels of radioactive materials in
concentrations higher than that seen in smoke elsewhere in the region.

Director McMillan on Tuesday pledged to make air-sampling data available to
the public as soon as possible. Routine updates to the New Mexico Community
Foundation’s RACER environmental monitoring website will reflect these data and other information athttp://racernm.com.

“New Mexicans should know that there are no radioactive
materials from the Laboratory in the smoke,” McMillan said. “As with any
smoke, however, we urge our employees and regional residents, particularly
those with health conditions such as asthma, to minimize their exposure.”

http://www.lamonitor.com/content/lanl-first-high-volume-air-samples-come-%E2%80%98clean%E2%80%99

Good update, thanks for posting.

Sid

for truth
:hi: